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Miners are the Brave, Gankers the Cowards; a Manifesto
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#61 - 2012-06-01 14:50:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
RavenTesio wrote:

Still you guys have fun arguing about the finer points of this until the cows come home.


Geeks will always think they know everything, when they are ironically mostly misinformed (or in denial) about how society actually works. They disguise thier loathing of life in general behind the semi-anonymity of this Web.

I know ALL about being that kind of Control Freak. It took years, and 2 therapists, to break that mind trap for me. And if my life then was an example, you do NOT want to see how wrecked the other aspects of their lives are.

And really, nobody will remember a thing they typed in a week. Much less in 10 years. Sad really. None of it is of any import to anyone ever, at all.

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HVAC Repairman
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2012-06-01 14:53:32 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
It took years, and 2 therapists, to break that mind trap for me.
You should try to get a refund.

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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Operations
#63 - 2012-06-01 14:54:40 UTC
HVAC Repairman wrote:
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
It took years, and 2 therapists, to break that mind trap for me.
You should try to get a refund.



Now THAT is one Fear-Based reaction for sure. The Truth hurts, does it not ?

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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#64 - 2012-06-01 15:08:18 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Sure James315 may be a nice guy in RL, his Eve Online views are obviously Very Extreme, and he was happy to express them publicly. The impact on the game has been enormous. Just saying.

At one time my views may have been considered extreme, but today I believe they would be considered very much in the mainstream. Smile

MinerBumping.com
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2012-06-01 16:19:40 UTC
James 315 is a hero and deserves accolades.

He's also quite handsome.

Belligerent Undesirables Selling Griefer Immunity
Phorneus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2012-06-18 22:28:55 UTC
OMG!!!!!!! I want to gank a miner so badly...! The urge is way too intense but i have to resist the urge or I will get into trouble... I could use a hug right now and see if that cheers me up because sitting down here without targetting a miner is driving me more crazier than usual....
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2012-06-18 22:31:55 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Won't be as long as James315's since that reminded me of Mein Kampf, a very bulky volume in itself rattling on about how the Jews are the cause of all the world's problems, and so James 315s manifesto blames, in a shockingly similar way, all Eve's problems on hisec miners.

I don't mine in hisec, I just think they are unfairly made scapegoats of a Joseph Goebbels-like propaganda campaign.

I just want to analyse for a minute a gankers mindset, when scrolling through those killboards and seeing how so many gankers have all these Hulk kills under their belts.

Would anyone REALLY think highly of someone who used a Destroyer with 8 overheated guns to shoot down a Mining vessel with none?

I suspect the REAL reason gankers do what they do, is because they are TERRIFIED little souls, who shake all over at the very thought of fighting in nullsec, losec, WHs, yet desperately want recognition from other players through killboard stats.

Are the Goons courageous in financing Hulkageddon V? Hardly, their mining vessels are tucked away securely from all danger in their nullsec home, systems surrounded by blues.

Sure this is a sandbox, people do what they want, but psychoanalysis is interesting at times Blink

Hisec miners are the real courageous ones, who, despite the terrible dangers to their expensive vessels, carry on enjoying their Eve hobby nonetheless, thinking up ingenious ways in staying alive.


I salute you Hisec miners , wish I was as brave as you are 07.



Not James 315, 0/10

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#68 - 2012-06-18 23:28:05 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:



Umm, you do realise most of us who do ganking actually live and pvp in low or null sec all the time. Im a lowsec pirate, I gank because i find it an amusing way to fill a slow day not because it pads my killboard in any noticable way. As for the miners, the brave ones suck it up, accept the risks and adapt their tactics while the cowards, the stupid and the lazy beg Mummy CCP to save them and write ****** forum posts about ebil piwates.

Delusional carebear is delusional


You ruin someones day "in-game" , and you laugh at it? Do you laugh when you lose a 300mil ship? Just wonderingRoll


I laugh when I lose a 2 bil ship and it was my own fault, yes. What do you do? Get mad because the idea YOU did something wrong does not compute?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#69 - 2012-06-19 01:04:44 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:



Umm, you do realise most of us who do ganking actually live and pvp in low or null sec all the time. Im a lowsec pirate, I gank because i find it an amusing way to fill a slow day not because it pads my killboard in any noticable way. As for the miners, the brave ones suck it up, accept the risks and adapt their tactics while the cowards, the stupid and the lazy beg Mummy CCP to save them and write ****** forum posts about ebil piwates.

Delusional carebear is delusional


You ruin someones day "in-game" , and you laugh at it? Do you laugh when you lose a 300mil ship? Just wonderingRoll


Usually.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Malacath Azaria
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-06-19 03:30:09 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:



Umm, you do realise most of us who do ganking actually live and pvp in low or null sec all the time. Im a lowsec pirate, I gank because i find it an amusing way to fill a slow day not because it pads my killboard in any noticable way. As for the miners, the brave ones suck it up, accept the risks and adapt their tactics while the cowards, the stupid and the lazy beg Mummy CCP to save them and write ****** forum posts about ebil piwates.

Delusional carebear is delusional


You ruin someones day "in-game" , and you laugh at it? Do you laugh when you lose a 300mil ship? Just wonderingRoll


Usually.


Should've heard me laughing 2 weeks ago when I lost a tengu worth 4 times as much. My CEO wasn't laughing, but he's a tight arse about killboard stats.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#71 - 2012-06-19 03:38:10 UTC
Malacath Azaria wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:



Umm, you do realise most of us who do ganking actually live and pvp in low or null sec all the time. Im a lowsec pirate, I gank because i find it an amusing way to fill a slow day not because it pads my killboard in any noticable way. As for the miners, the brave ones suck it up, accept the risks and adapt their tactics while the cowards, the stupid and the lazy beg Mummy CCP to save them and write ****** forum posts about ebil piwates.

Delusional carebear is delusional


You ruin someones day "in-game" , and you laugh at it? Do you laugh when you lose a 300mil ship? Just wonderingRoll


Usually.


Should've heard me laughing 2 weeks ago when I lost a tengu worth 4 times as much. My CEO wasn't laughing, but he's a tight arse about killboard stats.


Trolling your CEO with LoLMails is a fun passtime.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#72 - 2012-06-19 03:42:04 UTC
Malacath Azaria wrote:
Should've heard me laughing 2 weeks ago when I lost a tengu worth 4 times as much. My CEO wasn't laughing, but he's a tight arse about killboard stats.


You should find a better corp

brb
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-06-19 03:42:39 UTC
Malacath Azaria wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Darek Castigatus wrote:



Umm, you do realise most of us who do ganking actually live and pvp in low or null sec all the time. Im a lowsec pirate, I gank because i find it an amusing way to fill a slow day not because it pads my killboard in any noticable way. As for the miners, the brave ones suck it up, accept the risks and adapt their tactics while the cowards, the stupid and the lazy beg Mummy CCP to save them and write ****** forum posts about ebil piwates.

Delusional carebear is delusional


You ruin someones day "in-game" , and you laugh at it? Do you laugh when you lose a 300mil ship? Just wonderingRoll


Usually.


Should've heard me laughing 2 weeks ago when I lost a tengu worth 4 times as much. My CEO wasn't laughing, but he's a tight arse about killboard stats.


Destroy your corp and make your CEO quit EVE.
People that run corporations in a game like bad administrators run corporations in real life are dumb.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-06-19 03:43:11 UTC
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
Jesus H. Christ, I support Hulkageddon. Always have. Always will. What is your F**KING Problem ?????

Get a life.


Why have you not quit EVE yet Krixtal?

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#75 - 2012-06-19 03:45:00 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
Jesus H. Christ, I support Hulkageddon. Always have. Always will. What is your F**KING Problem ?????

Get a life.


Why have you not quit EVE yet Krixtal?


Dude, better not point out public statements he made in the past. He gets mad and will report you.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2012-06-19 03:48:20 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
Jesus H. Christ, I support Hulkageddon. Always have. Always will. What is your F**KING Problem ?????

Get a life.


Why have you not quit EVE yet Krixtal?


Dude, better not point out public statements he made in the past. He gets mad and will report you.


I shall let the peasants bloody their hands thus

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#77 - 2012-06-19 04:42:43 UTC
Unit757 wrote:
ITT: players mad that warship is able to easily destroy a merchant ship.


You think world powers were raging and crying like this in WWII when subs were sinking unarmed cargo ships left right and center? no. Grow a pair, adapt, this is EVE.


Yes.. they were. Because allot of those cargoships were converted to troop transports and hospital ships.

Thats why the german admiralty went to Nuremberg as well.

And yet its ironic.. in a world where ship functionality determines cost, that warships are cheaper than commercial merchant ships without armaments.....

In WW2, it was the other way around with warships costing more than merchant vessels...


Eve's problem is an over abundance of extremely cheap and disposable warships.... and an equal amount of asshats willing to throw them headfirst into the Atlantic...

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#78 - 2012-06-19 04:44:51 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
ITT: players mad that warship is able to easily destroy a merchant ship.


You think world powers were raging and crying like this in WWII when subs were sinking unarmed cargo ships left right and center? no. Grow a pair, adapt, this is EVE.


Yes.. they were. Because allot of those cargoships were converted to troop transports and hospital ships.

Thats why the german admiralty went to Nuremberg as well.

And yet its ironic.. in a world where ship functionality determines cost, that warships are cheaper than commercial merchant ships without armaments.....

In WW2, it was the other way around with warships costing more than merchant vessels...


Eve's problem is an over abundance of extremely cheap and disposable warships.... and an equal amount of asshats willing to throw them headfirst into the Atlantic...


A destroyer or torpedo boat cost much less than a cargo ship. A battleship cost more.

*Looks at EvE prices*

Looks good to me.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#79 - 2012-06-19 04:48:23 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Eve's problem is an over abundance of extremely cheap and disposable warships.... and an equal amount of asshats willing to throw them headfirst into the Atlantic...


A destroyer or torpedo boat cost much less than a cargo ship. A battleship cost more.

*Looks at EvE prices*

Looks good to me.

Funny you mention destroyers

*looks at thrasher, catalyst*

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Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#80 - 2012-06-19 05:17:09 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Unit757 wrote:
ITT: players mad that warship is able to easily destroy a merchant ship.


You think world powers were raging and crying like this in WWII when subs were sinking unarmed cargo ships left right and center? no. Grow a pair, adapt, this is EVE.


Yes.. they were. Because allot of those cargoships were converted to troop transports and hospital ships.

Thats why the german admiralty went to Nuremberg as well.

And yet its ironic.. in a world where ship functionality determines cost, that warships are cheaper than commercial merchant ships without armaments.....

In WW2, it was the other way around with warships costing more than merchant vessels...


Eve's problem is an over abundance of extremely cheap and disposable warships.... and an equal amount of asshats willing to throw them headfirst into the Atlantic...


A destroyer or torpedo boat cost much less than a cargo ship. A battleship cost more.

*Looks at EvE prices*

Looks good to me.


Even a blind man would think a corpse is good looking...

Real world cargo vessel cost:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_ship

Real world frigate cost:
http://www.casr.ca/id-danish-naval-projects-frigate.htm

Looking at those prices .... I can buy 3 -> 10 cargoships for a single frigate in American $.




And torpedo boats are canoes with torp launchers and an onboard motor. srsly.





I think CCP need to take a good, long hard look at the mineral requirements for ships. Increase the cost of warships dramatically, for all classes and decrease the cost of industrial/merchant vessels by leaps and bounds.

If a destroyer cost more than a covetor...... those would be awesome days for pricing accuracy vs function.

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!