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@CCP : Do not cave in to Goons on Inferno 1.1

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#401 - 2012-06-18 20:46:50 UTC
Sixx Spades wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

That would be my advise to Goonswarm as well. If you split up your alliance you could be protected from the consequence of high sec raiding corp dogpile without needing to advocate a complete nerfing of the defensive ally system.


And you CONTINUE to assume we care. Please continue to use straw man arguments.

There's a lot of citations needed there. I mean are they ganking all the neutral alts of the JF service?

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#402 - 2012-06-18 20:47:59 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

I have been debating with goonswarm/CFC coalition people almost exclusively and the one or two without those tags (or posting in an NPC corp like yourself) have generally been happy to be identified on the CFC side of the argument.

You just defined everyone who disagrees with you as members of the CFC, in order to state only CFC members disagree with you.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#403 - 2012-06-18 20:48:33 UTC
what I'm trying to say is do you see a problem with that logic

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#404 - 2012-06-18 20:50:26 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Most notably - nobody from a hisec wardec corp has posted on your side of the argument.


Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
The "merc tailored" option Soundwave referenced that I pushed for was a cap on allies (2-3 would have been nice) but you would not have any cost for taking them. If you wanted to hire a merc, you could at whatever price you negotiated. If you wanted to bring friends in, you could do it for free. If you wanted to accept free help from strangers (or strangers that buy in to your war dec) you could do that too, or any combination of the three. I feel this would have restored the merc market (the real one, not the Inferno mechanic) close to where it was before Inferno while not further unleveling the playing field between the big guys and the little guys.


lol

Noirdot are well-known CFC members of course

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#405 - 2012-06-18 20:50:40 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
what I'm trying to say is do you see a problem with that logic


I see a problem with you leaving out the line above.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
dontbanmebro
Doomheim
#406 - 2012-06-18 20:51:08 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
So you are in the position of supporting a nerf


citation needed
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#407 - 2012-06-18 20:51:59 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

I have been debating with goonswarm/CFC coalition people almost exclusively and the one or two without those tags (or posting in an NPC corp like yourself) have generally been happy to be identified on the CFC side of the argument.

You just defined everyone who disagrees with you as members of the CFC, in order to state only CFC members disagree with you.

who do I send reimbursement mails to?
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#408 - 2012-06-18 20:52:19 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
what I'm trying to say is do you see a problem with that logic


I see a problem with you leaving out the line above.

the line above is the thing you attempted to prove, which you did by defining yourself as correct and then referencing your definition

this rings no alarm bells in your head?

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#409 - 2012-06-18 20:52:35 UTC
no "wait a minute i may have done a dumb there hmm" thoughts?

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#410 - 2012-06-18 20:52:43 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

I have been debating with goonswarm/CFC coalition people almost exclusively and the one or two without those tags (or posting in an NPC corp like yourself) have generally been happy to be identified on the CFC side of the argument.

You just defined everyone who disagrees with you as members of the CFC, in order to state only CFC members disagree with you.

That's kind of troublesome.

I mean some CCP people disagree with him. That's why they made changes.


Oh. Right.

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Holander Switzerland
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#411 - 2012-06-18 20:54:22 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
no "wait a minute i may have done a dumb there hmm" thoughts?


just the sound of wind going in one ear out the other. Also spacecock.






SEACREST OUT
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#412 - 2012-06-18 20:54:58 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

I have been debating with goonswarm/CFC coalition people almost exclusively and the one or two without those tags (or posting in an NPC corp like yourself) have generally been happy to be identified on the CFC side of the argument.

You just defined everyone who disagrees with you as members of the CFC, in order to state only CFC members disagree with you.

who do I send reimbursement mails to?

fortunately we don't pick up the tab for the whole cfc's reimbursements or we might manage to bust our budget with our new size :ohdear:

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#413 - 2012-06-18 20:55:40 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Most notably - nobody from a hisec wardec corp has posted on your side of the argument.


Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
The "merc tailored" option Soundwave referenced that I pushed for was a cap on allies (2-3 would have been nice) but you would not have any cost for taking them. If you wanted to hire a merc, you could at whatever price you negotiated. If you wanted to bring friends in, you could do it for free. If you wanted to accept free help from strangers (or strangers that buy in to your war dec) you could do that too, or any combination of the three. I feel this would have restored the merc market (the real one, not the Inferno mechanic) close to where it was before Inferno while not further unleveling the playing field between the big guys and the little guys.


Noirdot are well-known CFC members of course



Well leaving aside the deceiful argumentation - forgetting "in this thread" - the reality is that Karrde is not on your side of the argument - he's on his own if anything. He opposed the 1.1 changes as he makes clear on the Crossing Zebra's podcast I linked you earlier where he expresses his great dissatisfaction with the team BFF developers on the issue.

You really are not very good at this.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#414 - 2012-06-18 20:57:25 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Well leaving aside the deceiful argumentation - forgetting "in this thread" - the reality is that Karrde is not on your side of the argument - he's on his own if anything. He opposed the 1.1 changes as he makes clear on the Crossing Zebra's podcast I linked you earlier where he expresses his great dissatisfaction with the team BFF developers on the issue.

You really are not very good at this.


my argument is "goonswarm doesn't give a flying **** about wardecs"

his argument is "the number of allies should be hard-capped"

obviously two completely separate and unrelated arguments, but neither of which you're in a position to agree with

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#415 - 2012-06-18 20:59:12 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
fortunately we don't pick up the tab for the whole cfc's reimbursements or we might manage to bust our budget with our new size :ohdear:

I thought our allies take care of their own moons and reimbursements?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#416 - 2012-06-18 21:00:04 UTC
I'm this close to starting a ''Bring back the old ally system'' thread so that all of highsec can be locked into a foreverwar with us.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#417 - 2012-06-18 21:00:31 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

Well leaving aside the deceiful argumentation - forgetting "in this thread" - the reality is that Karrde is not on your side of the argument - he's on his own if anything. He opposed the 1.1 changes as he makes clear on the Crossing Zebra's podcast I linked you earlier where he expresses his great dissatisfaction with the team BFF developers on the issue.

You really are not very good at this.

"he supported an even more extreme version than the current one, therefore he is on my side of opposing any change"

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#418 - 2012-06-18 21:00:42 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
For the record the Eve News article responses are general positive - people quite liked to hear a version of events that was not biased in the CFC favour. .


:stare:

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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#419 - 2012-06-18 21:01:18 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Well leaving aside the deceiful argumentation - forgetting "in this thread" - the reality is that Karrde is not on your side of the argument - he's on his own if anything. He opposed the 1.1 changes as he makes clear on the Crossing Zebra's podcast I linked you earlier where he expresses his great dissatisfaction with the team BFF developers on the issue.

You really are not very good at this.


my argument is "goonswarm doesn't give a flying **** about wardecs"

his argument is "the number of allies should be hard-capped"

obviously two completely separate and unrelated arguments, but neither of which you're in a position to agree with



My argument is that he doesn't support the 1.1 change and nor does anyone else much outside the CFC.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#420 - 2012-06-18 21:03:47 UTC
jade come now lying this blatantly is unseemly

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.