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Hellmar said new ships? How about new old ships?

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Zoltar Torzoid
Department of Defence
Get Off My Lawn
#1 - 2011-10-07 01:49:07 UTC
Quote:
The game needs new ships.
- CCP Hellmar

Disclaimer: do not read anything beyond this point as meaning "stop designing new ships"

to CCP:

You have a wealth of ships pre-built in the game that you have failed to capitalize on since you released eve. Every faction hull should be utilized to augment eve's ship selection. Every pirate faction uses almost all of the ships from their primary faction's fleet, yet we can only fly a meager 2-3 of them per faction. Give us the full fleet of pirate faction ships. The models and skins already exists. Also, dumb down the ridiculously overpowered Jovian ships and let us fly them. Such great design gone to 100% waste. There's an entire faction of ships we cannot fly, and should be able to, it can't be hard to think of a storyline reason for why we can fly Jovian ships.

Also, there are a ton of the "reward" ships that are perfectly viable for normal play. Don't ruin the collector value of what's already in by releasing them to the public, but less effective versions of them wouldn't be amiss. Release them with lower stats, or slightly modified roles and leave the collectors items intact.

It's always seemed ridiculous to me that you have such a wealth of content already in eve that's totally wasted because you've never tosses some stats into them and let us fly them. Yes, they will be unbalanced. Yes, some will be stupidly overpowered. Yes people will exploit weaknesses by flying FOTM fleets. It's never made much sense why it takes sooooooo long to balance ship/mod stats. Aren't those simply database entries? If not I am sorry for being presumptuous. If I'm right, then you've been filibustering on a LOT of changes that could simply have been tweaked multiple times over a short period of time till everyone was happy with the results.

I see no reason why the content that's already in the game is so neglected. Are you just out of ideas for how these ships should function? Bet we could ask the ever-so-shy eve user-base for some ideas.
Spr09
Abyssal Echoes
Invidia Gloriae Comes
#2 - 2011-10-07 01:52:47 UTC
i agree with the faction ships being used, but the jove ships sound a little sketchy. if this happens people are gonna want polaris ships too. and it's not 100% waste, the GMs and CCP fly those i think.
Zoltar Torzoid
Department of Defence
Get Off My Lawn
#3 - 2011-10-07 02:07:39 UTC
nah, not polaris frigs. let CCP keep their tiny pwnmobiles.. but the Jovian fleet itself is a really nice set of ships. Don't know if you can still do it, but there used to be a way to see them through the item viewer and XML editing the fittings. You can't tell me you don't want to fly around in a jovian battleship. Hell, the new Supercarrier is pretty Jovian..

Even without the Jovian fleet, there are a LOT of unused ships in eve. TBH, I want to fly around in a Black and Green Serpentis Vexor. Maybe role-moddel it after the Guardian vexor, only don't let it fly so many drones. win I say.
Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#4 - 2011-10-07 03:54:27 UTC
I approve of using the Freki model, even as a model for a new standard assault ship (One designed to a heavier, slower tackler than an interceptor, not as easy to kill as a t1 frig, but still faster and more agile than the JAg, at the expense of damage capacity. Everyone keeps their roles)
Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2011-10-07 04:49:52 UTC
I'd like to be able to fly a few of the unique models, especially the cartel ones, and I'd like to see some more t2 variants of existing t1 ships.

For example, why do we still not have t2 mining frigates and t2 teir 2 battlecruisers?

However, I would like to state my general disapproval of the CCP ideal that every new ship must have a niche. I'd like to see new ships created just for the flavor. Look at the interest the tornado has generated as an extra battleship. Its not really filling any niche the other battleships aren't, but it looks awesome and has a different slot layout, and is thus desirable.

I'd like to remind them that originally, hulls were not specialized, and specialization of ships was created not from their bonuses but from their slot layouts and intrinsic stats. Ships with lots of meds and lots of shield HP were shield tankers (scorpion). Ships with different slot layouts will find uses. Even for the few that don't (tristran), they add good colour to the lineup.

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Blastfizzle
The Chosen 0nes
#6 - 2011-10-07 06:03:21 UTC
Supported.
Stonecold Steve
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#7 - 2011-10-07 10:52:48 UTC
Supported

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Baal Zann
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-10-07 15:30:38 UTC
I think there should be a rebel npc faction-mabye on minmatar/gallente side, that uses refit industrials miner ships ect-i came across the idea when i made a battle noctis-heavy neut support for red vs blue and found its tank was capable of outlasting a battlecruser fleet.sigil=cruser, badger=battlecruser, noctis= battleship rorqual = carrier, fenrir=dreadnought-it would be an awesome reuse ofthe models, and an awesome npc faction-mabye another,more recent amarr getaway group +1
Adunh Slavy
#9 - 2011-10-07 17:09:53 UTC
Subfactions need some ships :)

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#10 - 2011-10-07 17:46:34 UTC
I wouldnt mind seeing some of the bonsues that had been slated to reward ships tonned down and transfered to not so well used hulls.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2011-10-07 18:00:02 UTC
I'd like to fly these:
http://www.eveiverse.com/items/lynx

or these
http://www.eveiverse.com/items/glaive

Or even something daft like these
http://www.eveiverse.com/items/sparrow

There are tons of ships in game, they just need to be made public.
Obsidiana
Atrament Inc.
#12 - 2011-10-07 18:45:52 UTC
A lot of people have said the same thing. It's an easy way to add content, isk/LP sinks, and variety.

Serpentis Dominix FTW

Oh, and the Angels need some Jovianesk BCs.