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[Notable Wormhole Space Alliances and Corporations]

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Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#321 - 2012-06-12 00:01:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayeson
Doc Hollidai wrote:
Ayeson wrote:
Freighter Bait. Best Bait.

Also, starfleet, can we roam null again soon? I want to take the ridiculously expensive loki out again


You must first offer up a tengu to me...


So is it like.... One roam a day for One tengu? Thats not a bad deal...Can it be shitfit?

I ♥ the orthrus
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#322 - 2012-06-15 21:31:22 UTC
Half the month is gone, so we updated the stats tool to include everyone from the first post of this thread.

http://whkills.info/stats/

Please check to make sure that numbers are valid and if they aren't just make a mention here. As always we will keep working on the tool.

In the meantime Chitsa should probably list the criteria corps / alliance need to meet in order to become Notable.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#323 - 2012-06-16 00:46:45 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:


In the meantime Chitsa should probably list the criteria corps / alliance need to meet in order to become Notable.


Again, appreciate all the work to make this.

As far as criteria, would a minimum time in wh space be good for that? Say "you must be in wh space for at least X months.

No trolling please
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#324 - 2012-06-16 02:39:29 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:


In the meantime Chitsa should probably list the criteria corps / alliance need to meet in order to become Notable.


Again, appreciate all the work to make this.

As far as criteria, would a minimum time in wh space be good for that? Say "you must be in wh space for at least X months.

Not that it's a bad idea, but existence doesn't imply noteworthiness.

Combine that with a metric of pvp activity and it would be good.

Established in W-Space 6+ months, 40+ members, 5b+ isk killed per month. Something like that to filter out the entities that keep to themselves whenever possible.
Janus Nanzikambe
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#325 - 2012-06-16 08:55:12 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Half the month is gone, so we updated the stats tool to include everyone from the first post of this thread.


I know it's easily calculable from the data presented; but would it be possible to show in a separate (and by extension, sortable) column the number of active pilots as a % of the total an entity has had in a month?

I'm sure everyone at some point has backed away from picking fights with alliances perceived as being huge, but a quick gander at that list shows some extremely high percentages of inactivity. I presume thats accounted for by either inactive players or carebears/alts or is there something I'm missing? On a side note I'd like to know Insidious Design & Exhale's secret, they have almost double the average activity Cool

Thanks once again for this awesome resource :) The geek in me is looking forward to when there's a full year of data available so I can graph this to visualise trends.
SojournerRover
Explorer Corps
#326 - 2012-06-18 12:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: SojournerRover
It is not a secret, Insidious does not allow members that have become inactive to linger.

[b][u]ROVER[/u] (REDRUM)[/b]
Bcrain21
Big Johnson's
#327 - 2012-06-18 15:33:17 UTC
So who's D*%! do I have to get one of members to suck to get on this list?

Also I am too obsessive compulsive to let members linger. Unless they have a good excuse such as military or other things going on in RL. I guess some people get spooked by big numbers but I think of it as more targets.




Insert stupid, not witty,not creative, and over used quote here.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#328 - 2012-06-18 17:49:01 UTC
Janus Nanzikambe wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Half the month is gone, so we updated the stats tool to include everyone from the first post of this thread.


I know it's easily calculable from the data presented; but would it be possible to show in a separate (and by extension, sortable) column the number of active pilots as a % of the total an entity has had in a month?

I'm sure everyone at some point has backed away from picking fights with alliances perceived as being huge, but a quick gander at that list shows some extremely high percentages of inactivity. I presume thats accounted for by either inactive players or carebears/alts or is there something I'm missing? On a side note I'd like to know Insidious Design & Exhale's secret, they have almost double the average activity Cool

Thanks once again for this awesome resource :) The geek in me is looking forward to when there's a full year of data available so I can graph this to visualise trends.



Activity percentage of a corp/allaince has been added to the Stats list.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#329 - 2012-06-18 17:50:15 UTC
Bcrain21 wrote:
So who's D*%! do I have to get one of members to suck to get on this list?

Also I am too obsessive compulsive to let members linger. Unless they have a good excuse such as military or other things going on in RL. I guess some people get spooked by big numbers but I think of it as more targets.




Insert stupid, not witty,not creative, and over used quote here.



Dont know, Chitsa was supposed to post the requirements some time ago.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#330 - 2012-06-18 17:59:15 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Activity percentage of a corp/allaince has been added to the Stats list.


Oh now THAT is useful.

Thumbs up! Big smile

http://www.wormholes.info
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#331 - 2012-06-18 19:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Gnaw LF
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Activity percentage of a corp/allaince has been added to the Stats list.


Oh now THAT is useful.

Thumbs up! Big smile



I will be a sad panda if that stat is used to invade less than active corps/alliances. Straight However I do hope it will promote more good fights as smaller w-space entities can look at activity percentage and deduce that a fight rather than a gank is forming.
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#332 - 2012-06-18 20:18:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayeson
Gnaw LF wrote:
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Activity percentage of a corp/allaince has been added to the Stats list.


Oh now THAT is useful.

Thumbs up! Big smile



I will be a sad panda if that stat is used to invade less than active corps/alliances. Straight However I do hope it will promote more good fights as smaller w-space entities can look at activity percentage and deduce that a fight rather than a gank is forming.


If it were used for evil what would make me :upset:, but I love data.

If I may ask, what are you using to determine if a player is "Active"?

I'm assuming its showing up within a kill for the past 30 days or something like that...

I ♥ the orthrus
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#333 - 2012-06-18 20:44:51 UTC
I am currently planning invasions of less active corps as we speak! P

No trolling please
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#334 - 2012-06-18 20:57:13 UTC
Ayeson wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Nathan Jameson wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Activity percentage of a corp/allaince has been added to the Stats list.


Oh now THAT is useful.

Thumbs up! Big smile



I will be a sad panda if that stat is used to invade less than active corps/alliances. Straight However I do hope it will promote more good fights as smaller w-space entities can look at activity percentage and deduce that a fight rather than a gank is forming.


If it were used for evil what would make me :upset:, but I love data.

If I may ask, what are you using to determine if a player is "Active"?

I'm assuming its showing up within a kill for the past 30 days or something like that...



SUM of all unique characters that appeared on KM in the ongoing month, either as involved or victim. I know, its not the best criteria because a single kill or single loss does not mean a pilot is very active, but the entire idea of an "active" pilot or character is very ambiguous.
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#335 - 2012-06-18 21:45:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayeson
Gnaw LF wrote:

SUM of all unique characters that appeared on KM in the ongoing month, either as involved or victim. I know, its not the best criteria because a single kill or single loss does not mean a pilot is very active, but the entire idea of an "active" pilot or character is very ambiguous.


It's extremely ambiguous.

To dive into the DB questions...Are you using the actual current month or a date range like last 30 or 20 days? I guess that matters more dependent on how you're sequencing data...but the point im trying to bring up is are we going to get accurate stats on the 30th, only to have them reset activity on the first.

What about using last 20 or last days of logs so it changes daily, but gives us a more accurate snapshot?

I ♥ the orthrus
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#336 - 2012-06-18 22:37:10 UTC
Ayeson wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:

SUM of all unique characters that appeared on KM in the ongoing month, either as involved or victim. I know, its not the best criteria because a single kill or single loss does not mean a pilot is very active, but the entire idea of an "active" pilot or character is very ambiguous.


It's extremely ambiguous.

To dive into the DB questions...Are you using the actual current month or a date range like last 30 or 20 days? I guess that matters more dependent on how you're sequencing data...but the point im trying to bring up is are we going to get accurate stats on the 30th, only to have them reset activity on the first.

What about using last 20 or last days of logs so it changes daily, but gives us a more accurate snapshot?



All stats are based on the month. So if today was the first day of the month, like July 1st, and Hard Knocks just bagged themselves a collapsing Orca kill with 5 different corp members listed as involved then your stats will shows 5 Active Pilots. Which is a completely accurate count, since for that month you had 5 people who left POS and shot something. Now the corp that owns the Orca would get 1 active poor bastard that got ganked. As more players / pilots get involved in day to day pew activities the more that stat is going to grow. But the stats are real time ( or as real as kills get posted to your KB and eve-kill) and are month based.
Ayeson
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#337 - 2012-06-19 14:37:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayeson
Right, I was just thinking more of a constantly updating activity marker/indicator, but seeing as everything else is month based it wouldn't really sequence correctly

Edit: Or it would sequence fine and it would just confuse people more because it would be misrepresenting statistics

I ♥ the orthrus
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#338 - 2012-06-19 21:47:36 UTC
Added bars! BARS!

Also, my regular graphics / theme guy is MIA and I want to make the page look purty. If there are any volunteers get in touch with me through evemail and tell me your ideas for the stats page graphics / theme, lets try to keep the layout the same for now.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#339 - 2012-06-19 21:53:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Godfrey Silvarna
Not enough contrast between text and background ,(white on grey is bad, white on yellow is bad and red and green do not stand out either) so it is harder to read than it could be. Solely for testing purposes, I have consumed some absinthe and moonshine, and sure enough the induced blurring effect and the poor contrast combined make the stats almost unreadable.

Just like science, graphic design is best done under the influence of intoxicating substances.
Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#340 - 2012-06-19 22:47:09 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Not enough contrast between text and background ,(white on grey is bad, white on yellow is bad and red and green do not stand out either) so it is harder to read than it could be. Solely for testing purposes, I have consumed some absinthe and moonshine, and sure enough the induced blurring effect and the poor contrast combined make the stats almost unreadable.

Just like science, graphic design is best done under the influence of intoxicating substances.



I like your style but if I get intoxicated for each side project I do I'd either be a drunk or an addict. So I am looking fro brave souls who can do it for me.