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@CCP : Do not cave in to Goons on Inferno 1.1

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#241 - 2012-06-18 17:09:15 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:

we disagree wildly on that point.

sure, but that's because I'm the only one who looked at the facts

you may want to consider employing that tactic in your intel gathering job

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#242 - 2012-06-18 17:10:39 UTC
dontbanmebro wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
as I said it's one tool in the box. How well do you thing the "Burning of Jita" would have went with wardeccs from a dozen corps against goon... I didn't see market alts sitting in stations blowing up ships.


There were...that's why goons had an entire combat fleet dedicated to securing the system for the gank fleets.

Again, opining on subjects you know nothing about.

If there's something you don't know or understand, then ask. Don't just make stuff up because people are just going to call you on it every time.



if they had been wardecced under the current system things might have been very different .. while I will admit there are things I don't understand.. most of them have nothing to do with eve.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#243 - 2012-06-18 17:10:48 UTC
the anti-wardec fleet was lead by dbrb and was a drakefleet and murderized everything, the only wardec fleet that was a pain in the ass was an AAA fleet who showed up in good fits and was organized and could do something besides die horribly (until they got caught on the wrong side of the gate, and then vily murderized a few freighters since they couldn't jump into the fleet)

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#244 - 2012-06-18 17:12:26 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:

we disagree wildly on that point.

sure, but that's because I'm the only one who looked at the facts

you may want to consider employing that tactic in your intel gathering job



you are a funny man. but really what facts .. the few things you've spouted religiously here.? I have better access than you think.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]

dontbanmebro
Doomheim
#245 - 2012-06-18 17:13:35 UTC
A full nullsec combat fleet will roll any number of random hisec players.

Again demonstrating you have no clue how mass combat works in Eve, yet for some reason opining on it.

You seriously need to walk away from the comp right now. This is getting ridiculous.
Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#246 - 2012-06-18 17:13:39 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:

we disagree wildly on that point.

sure, but that's because I'm the only one who looked at the facts

you may want to consider employing that tactic in your intel gathering job



you are a funny man. but really what facts .. the few things you've spouted religiously here.? I have better access than you think.


You are literally too dumb to breathe.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#247 - 2012-06-18 17:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Weaselior wrote:
Also if you start thinking "well what about jump freighters!!": that's easy, you just use npc haulers to the lowsec midpoint and then trade over there.

if you want to actually hurt null logistics, ban npc corps
but when you suggest banning npc corps highsec people get mad

I don't know where they got the idea that wardecs did anything, if they did, 0.0 alliances would probably manufacture things in nullsec space instead of just run endless jump freighters to and from highsec trade hubs
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#248 - 2012-06-18 17:14:25 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
the anti-wardec fleet was lead by dbrb and was a drakefleet and murderized everything, the only wardec fleet that was a pain in the ass was an AAA fleet who showed up in good fits and was organized and could do something besides die horribly (until they got caught on the wrong side of the gate, and then vily murderized a few freighters since they couldn't jump into the fleet)



that's true but what if allys had been able to jump on the wardec for cheap?

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]

Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#249 - 2012-06-18 17:17:02 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
You are literally too dumb to breathe.


of the two of us you are the one who look more like a zombie. "brainsss...."

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#250 - 2012-06-18 17:17:48 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
dontbanmebro wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
as I said it's one tool in the box. How well do you thing the "Burning of Jita" would have went with wardeccs from a dozen corps against goon... I didn't see market alts sitting in stations blowing up ships.


There were...that's why goons had an entire combat fleet dedicated to securing the system for the gank fleets.

Again, opining on subjects you know nothing about.

If there's something you don't know or understand, then ask. Don't just make stuff up because people are just going to call you on it every time.



if they had been wardecced under the current system things might have been very different .. while I will admit there are things I don't understand.. most of them have nothing to do with eve.

How does the cost the wardeccer pays affect the fleet performance?

All of the largest highsec entities wardecced Goons in tandem for that weekend and worked together in a "save jita" campaign that was widely publicized. They didn't make a dent. How do you think a couple of 5man alt corps would have helped?

You need to write something more convincing than "no u are the dummy!!"

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#251 - 2012-06-18 17:18:56 UTC
There should be a minimum age for playing this game, jesus christ.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#252 - 2012-06-18 17:19:17 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
the anti-wardec fleet was lead by dbrb and was a drakefleet and murderized everything, the only wardec fleet that was a pain in the ass was an AAA fleet who showed up in good fits and was organized and could do something besides die horribly (until they got caught on the wrong side of the gate, and then vily murderized a few freighters since they couldn't jump into the fleet)



that's true but what if allys had been able to jump on the wardec for cheap?

more worthless unorganized nobodies who would have been slaughtered by the drakefleet because they had no organization at all

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#253 - 2012-06-18 17:24:00 UTC
No more Jade Constantine tinfoil hat responses?

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#254 - 2012-06-18 17:24:33 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
the anti-wardec fleet was lead by dbrb and was a drakefleet and murderized everything, the only wardec fleet that was a pain in the ass was an AAA fleet who showed up in good fits and was organized and could do something besides die horribly (until they got caught on the wrong side of the gate, and then vily murderized a few freighters since they couldn't jump into the fleet)



that's true but what if allys had been able to jump on the wardec for cheap?

more worthless unorganized nobodies who would have been slaughtered by the drakefleet because they had no organization at all


I'd like to add we enjoyed slaughtering your shitfit fleets, DBRB pretending to be the Jita god was hilarious too.

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Freezehunter
#255 - 2012-06-18 17:24:55 UTC
Mara Tessidar wrote:
There should be a minimum age for playing this game, jesus christ.


Yeah, 16, that's when I started.

I am now 22 and still playing Eve.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.

Freezehunter
#256 - 2012-06-18 17:25:38 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
No more Jade Constantine tinfoil hat responses?


Must be out of tinfoil, went out to buy more.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.

Mara Tessidar
Perkone
Caldari State
#257 - 2012-06-18 17:26:06 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
No more Jade Constantine tinfoil hat responses?


Weaselior wrote:
He's denied it repeatedly before, but keeps forgetting about the webarchive link. Once that comes out he stops denying it for a while and getting all quiet-like but in about a month he'll start denying it again.
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#258 - 2012-06-18 17:26:42 UTC
CCP, please do not cave in to Goons on Inferno 1.1.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#259 - 2012-06-18 17:30:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Quote:
But this isn't going to lead to a renaissance in merc profession with people paying X to professional mercs to join as a defensive ally. That won't come unless CCP deliver a wardec system that comes with teeth to gain a victory over an aggressor that produces an actual payout.


... which is pretty much exactly what I said. I'm glad we agree.

These changes are a good first step, but there still needs to be iteration. As has been already pointed out there will be more tools inbound for tracking the record of and hiring of merc corps. These are necessary, as well as "victory conditions" as I (and then subsequently you) have already pointed out... but you have to start somewhere.

Empowering the "privateers" of the EVE universe is not it... although the foolish will undoubtedly hire free rubish to fight for them.

A culture needs to develop in the merc market where "you get what you pay for", but that isn't going to happen overnight. The groundwork needs to be laid first and be in effect for a while to become established.

Personally I wish they would have held off just a bit longer to get the other necessary bits in place first (victory conditions, merc dashboard/tracking), but I understand the desire to take it one step at a time.

However, there is little doubt that leaving things as they were was self defeating... it did nothing to encourage wise decisions on who to ally, quite the opposite actually. So these revisions are necessary.

I understand that it steals a bit of your thunder, your move was actually very well executed under the original set of revisions (it was the smartest thing you could have done, all things considered). But it also served to very clearly point out to CCP that the EVE player base was indeed smart enough to take advantage and twist the system to suit their own needs, and that it would be necessary to take at least some of the additional steps they had already been considering.

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#260 - 2012-06-18 17:32:23 UTC
Or maybe he has gone off to write another self aggrandising, tinfoil wrapped article for JadeThrowsAnotherTantrumNews24.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.