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@CCP : Do not cave in to Goons on Inferno 1.1

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Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#181 - 2012-06-18 15:54:00 UTC
Miso
Mistress of Cultural Assassination: JF

Intaki freedom fighter and info-terrorist for hire; the enigmatic Miso made common cause with JF during the war against the Taggart Transdimensional Megacorp and ongoing opposition to reactionary state-fascism in all its forms in the period following Ragnar's fall. Her penchant for sex and violence beyond entirely sane proportionality has made Miso a media star across the gallente federation, with sales of of her steamy earlier work in the billions.


Josephine
Kestrel Whore First Class: JF

A one-time freelance pilot and poster child for the aspirational ethics of the Caldari state. Josephine has made a legend out of pragmatic good sense and worldly awareness of shortcomings in the political fancies others become consumed by. She also mixes an extremely good cocktails.


Jasmine Constantine
VP Mayhem and Slaughter: JF

Jade's cousin by genotype, Jasmine is an entirely more forceful and direct personality, favouring precision engineering and vast collateral damage as fine adjunct to the shock and awe of her unrestrained gallente sexualty, Jasmine is twice as dangerous when she is being charming.


Charity Regard
Toybox of Temptation: Asgard Ind

A fine upstanding representative of the Caldari society, polite, intelligent, witty, and always ready to lead a hand to the least fortunate amongst us. Charity Regard is a human byword for respectful decorum and immortal tact. Tempted thus, who amongst us could truly be without sin?


DB Preacher
Dream of Dark Intentions: Reikoku

A hard drinking fast loving heroine of the Venal civil war, DB Preacher founded Reikoku on the principles of reckless bravado and total disregard for personal safety. Its therefore safe to assume that her tastes in the Boudoir are hardly less extreme, or lacking in artful spice.


Hellena
Temptress and Headmistress: Red Light District

Born on a beutiful tropical planet, Hellena grew up knowing what beauty was, and how to satisfy. Hearing the call she left to explore and to meet new people to pleasure, particularly a red haird Gallentean woman whom she adores. space can be lonley..care to keep me company?


Charming Distraction


Are you a lady of taste and refined sensuality? A wild amazon of fleeting moods and electric passions? A diva or temptress, a sinner or a saint? "La Maison" has openings for all, and we welcome applications from appropriately talented would-be hostesses from around the Eve star cluster.

The hours are as whim dictates, the service as one's heart does bid, the rewards as rich as risk may find when staked in peril in the game of love and fine desire.

All we ask is boundless wit and some small nod in the direction of civilised inteplay, (though fast betimes the opposite may serve as well to play in close poetic fine refrain.)

The wages? Ha, let noteriety and fame be wage enough and if the gentlemen (and noble ladies) yet lay tip upon the morn ... well, 'tis fitting thus and no harm done nor fast returned on repute, nor faith, nor wondrous name thereafter.

Applications thence in person to the ladies of the house. And luck and love the close reward of those who dare!
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#182 - 2012-06-18 15:54:28 UTC
Anything you'd like to add, Jade?
Arrgthepirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#183 - 2012-06-18 15:55:00 UTC
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#184 - 2012-06-18 15:55:01 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
the laws of good old fashioned honor.



I don't understand what this is.
Arrgthepirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#185 - 2012-06-18 15:55:34 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
You know, all this bullshit could be solved in a very simple way.

The Mittani and Jade Constantine in a 1 V 1 duel with spectators, and NO ONE INTERFERING.

Just a simple Frigate/Cruiser/BC/BS 1v1.

Loser is forced to finish the war by the laws of good old fashioned honor.


I don't think you 'get' goons.
Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#186 - 2012-06-18 15:55:47 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Loser is forced to finish the war by the laws of good old fashioned honor.

good old hounoureable goonswarm

Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.

Holander Switzerland
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#187 - 2012-06-18 15:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Holander Switzerland
**** you ender, stealing my thunder
Freezehunter
#188 - 2012-06-18 15:56:59 UTC
I know, right! XD

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.

La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#189 - 2012-06-18 15:57:57 UTC
Arrgthepirate wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.


Quoting an arghy post.

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Arrgthepirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#190 - 2012-06-18 15:59:02 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Arrgthepirate wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.


Quoting an arghy post.


I'm not arghy I just live in the same state and have a similar name. His avatar makes me jealous though.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#191 - 2012-06-18 16:01:23 UTC
Ranger 1
Putting a cap on the cost of war decing a large alliance works in favor of those that want to harrass them. It will be expensive enough to weed out the riff raff, but enable groups that have at least a moderately lucurative organization to do so without too much difficulty... at least for the short term. [/quote wrote:


Previous to Inferno 1.0 the default was 50m per week. Post Inferno 1.0 it was 500m + now it is 500m. It still represents a tenfold increase in the cost of declaring war against a large alliance.

[quote=Ranger 1 Forcing you to think about who you want to be on "your side" as the defender... to chose wisely whom bring into it so that you get the most bang for your buck... to actually NEED to consider paying the price of a competent merc corp if you actually want to fight back effectively... these are not bad things for EVE or "the little guy" for that matter.


Without radical improvement in the actual wardec mechanics (ie win conditions, attacker consequences, ways of tracking the result) there is no point to having mercenaries in a defensive war because they can only involve themselves in 2 week random stints and can do nothing to make the attacker actually lose. If the defender does actually pay a large amount of money to a merc for a defensive war the the attacker can score a "victory" simply by docking up or logging off or waiting out the 2 week period then continuing again.

Point is there is nothing a merc can really do to oppose the incoming wardec. This is why in eve as a whole over the last five years the merc profession has become something that does specialized short order contract work rather than joining in on hisec wars. You hire mercs to blow up or defend a POS, you hire mercs to give you security for a big logistics move perhaps, you hire mercs to clear a system of enemy Customs offices. These are discrete jobs that can be judged on succeed/fail terms and can be paid for (usually wardec fee + bonus) if they are accomplished.

This 1.1 change assumption that people are suddenly going to start hiring professional mercs for billions into defensive wardecs to try to "win" wars is just nonsense and vapour. There aren't more than a handful of professional merc corp/alliances in the game at this point and none of them are capable of doing enough damage to a large alliance that said alliiance would remove a "griefing dec" from a particular target. It just isn't going to happen.

The reason why Privateers, Ophanage and every other trade-hub raiding corp work for cost is that they have fun playing the game that way and they appreciate that nobody is going to pay them to "have fun". The quid pro quo for those guys was always "pay us the cost of the dec and we'll dec." This will remain the defacto in 1.1.

Only change is that now this kind of corp (and the mercs) will need to pay to gain access to defensive ally slots to offset the increased concord charge (increased from zero to X). It will make a lot of sense for resting mercs to pay us (for example) 20,40,80,160,320 even 640) per 2 week cycle to get access to the goonswarm wardec because its still a discount on the 500m a week they would otherwise be expected to pay.

But this isn't going to lead to a renaissance in merc profession with people paying X to professional mercs to join as a defensive ally. That won't come unless CCP deliver a wardec system that comes with teeth to gain a victory over an aggressor that produces an actual payout.

IF (for example) .... the Goonswarm vs SF war could be "won" by us for causing say (50b isk in total damage before they do 50b isk total damage to us) - and if that created a victory boon of 100b isk that came directly from the GS wallet to SF wallet when the war concluded. That would then introduce something that would revitalize the merc profession. It would be worth me hiring Noire mercs or some other effective professionals for X per week and split of the victory boon - because there would be something to actually win.

But without that kind of mechanic - sorry to tell you, but mercs are going to continue being the guys you hire to do things you don't want to do (like shooting structures for 20 hours).

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#192 - 2012-06-18 16:01:37 UTC
Holander Switzerland wrote:
**** you ender, stealing my thunder


I told you to hurry up and you didn't :colbert:
Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#193 - 2012-06-18 16:04:19 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

words


Hey there, respond to my posts that came from your space brothel page, please.
Kaijusan
Austro-Hungarian Empire
#194 - 2012-06-18 16:04:23 UTC
Its a game. Who cares. Its all pixels. People really take Eve and the Internet far FAR too seriously.


Arrgthepirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#195 - 2012-06-18 16:04:40 UTC
I gotta go do PT now, but before I go, I thought I would share with you all an ACTUAL GOONFLEETDOTCOM LEAK!

Quote:

A Middle Aged Arthurian Spaceman

Leader of The Star Fraction. Roleplays as both madam and employees of a space brothel. Useless chairman of the first Council of Stellar Management, arguably pretty responsible for why the first couple CSMs were useless. Gay as ****. Majored in "Arthurian Studies" in real life, no joke.

(To the right: Jade Constantine smiles as he watches the GHB he put into the Sunny D at the local playground take effect. He isn't doing the bad things, his character is.)

This guy is :words: personified. Don't read any of his posts or you will lose IQ.

Here is an archive of his space brothel's website in case you thought the whole e-whore thing was just a troll. http://web.archive.org/web/20040724180503/http://www.mordante.demon.co.uk/Maison.htm
[edit] This Is What Passes For Posting Where He Is From

OOC

You are roleplaying insects. I've heard you refer to yourselves in many many promotional goonswarm videos as bees and I've seen an attractive youtube presentation with little fabric animated bees dancing round a stargate that was highly rated by your general membership. At fanfest I met several goons who were even roleplaying bees in real life - they had little plush bee children with them and one chap was dressed up in a giant bee costume waving a goonswarm flag (with a giant bee on it). Even while I served on the CSM I often heard your illustrious leader (DARIUS) conversing with his second in command in a buzzing dialect and making rapid little tapping noises in channel pretending his fingers were mandibles. (Darius also looks a little like a Bee).

Further to in-game ideology - you are part of a swarm. You all serve the brain-goons. You present yourselves on this (largely) in character forum as idiot-level intelligence creatures without the ability to speak, argue or debate coherently and I acknowledge that must take quite a lot of dedication to the roleplay ethos of your organization. Look at the pure number of goonswarm threads with absolutely zero content produced in the last 24 hours! It takes champion roleplayers to so perfectly embody the mindset of tiny hive creatures toiling without conscious thought in banal labour of submission to the swarm.

So I salute your characterisation as vile bugs and horrible swarm things! Many in Eve asked for alien subspecies and you have finally provided the dramatic background for this.

Anyway. Lets not further derail this IC thread. If you want to discuss your roleplay with me further I'd suggest the general forum or maybe SHC.

IC

Silence swarm creature!
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#196 - 2012-06-18 16:07:33 UTC
By which I guess you guys acknowledge you have lost the actual discussion (again).

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Freezehunter
#197 - 2012-06-18 16:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Freezehunter
Arrgthepirate wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
You know, all this bullshit could be solved in a very simple way.

The Mittani and Jade Constantine in a 1 V 1 duel with spectators, and NO ONE INTERFERING.

Just a simple Frigate/Cruiser/BC/BS 1v1.

Loser is forced to finish the war by the laws of good old fashioned honor.


I don't think you 'get' goons.


That's the thing, I do *get* goons and I was counting on the hilarious replies you guys would make to that post.

Working as intended, it's not a bug, it's a feature!

Goons delivered as always.

I love you guys, no homo.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.

Sixx Spades
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#198 - 2012-06-18 16:09:07 UTC
Nope, we're just lowering our standards back down to your level.

Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.

Enaris Kerle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#199 - 2012-06-18 16:09:59 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
By which I guess you guys acknowledge you have lost the actual discussion (again).

you mean the one where you make baseless accusations of GSF/CCP conspiracies and expect us to prove they're wrong?

Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.

Haquer
Vorkuta Inc
#200 - 2012-06-18 16:10:57 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
By which I guess you guys acknowledge you have lost the actual discussion (again).


Ahahahahaha