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Vindicator PVE - suggestions / advices
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-06-15 14:37:37 UTC
Hey folks,

Im thinking about a PVE Blaster Vindi for nullsec anomalies etc. and I was playing around with two variations, armor and shield


[Vindicator, blasters armor]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
True Sansha Large Armor Repairer

Tracking Computer II
Tracking Computer II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Link II
100MN Digital Booster Rockets

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Wasp II x5


or


[Vindicator, blasters shield]
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Federation Navy Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Damage Control II

Pith B-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Pith B-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
Pith B-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pith B-Type Kinetic Deflection Field
100MN Digital Booster Rockets

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Antimatter Charge L

Large Algid Hybrid Administrations Unit II
Large Hybrid Discharge Elutriation II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Wasp II x5


Any optimizations, advices and opinions (ourt of experience!) are pretty welcome, thx.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2012-06-15 15:06:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
the armor tanked version may be a bit light on the tank, especially if you need to pulse your mwd to get within range of some of the long range battleships or you hit a wrong trigger. I would fit deadspace armor hardeners. You need an auxillary nano pump, not a trimark. Also, you should really be able to do this without fitting t2 CCC's. The tracking link isn't helping. Maybe consider a cap booster setup, and definitely bring Null ammo.

The second setup looks effective, but I just don't see you being able to use that booster much at all.

I would seriously consider a machariel for its damage projection/mobility or a kronos for its rep amount and lower gun cap use (plus 50% discount on ammo, so can use faction/t2). Also keep in mind serpentis sensor dampen and the vindicator has a base 50km lock range.

Expensive ships perform well, but in this case I think you won't be getting much for your money except a whole lot of people wanting to kill you.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#3 - 2012-06-15 15:26:09 UTC
For the armor fit you'll probably find a faction web more effective than a second TC.

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Eddie Nightside
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-06-15 17:18:51 UTC
Why tracking link on armor fit? Is that intended to be something else? Depending on the types of sites and ship makeup a web might be the way to go.
Temuken Radzu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-06-15 19:30:04 UTC
A kronos can preform just as well with blasters as it has the same bonuses as a vindi in pve, plus it has more tank then a vindi for a little less (around 60) dps. Also, they are cheaper :P
I use one in against angels and it rips them apart in seconds.
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-06-18 08:47:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Rordan D'Kherr
Temuken Radzu wrote:
A kronos can preform just as well with blasters as it has the same bonuses as a vindi in pve, plus it has more tank then a vindi for a little less (around 60) dps. Also, they are cheaper :P
I use one in against angels and it rips them apart in seconds.


Tell me, how can a Kronos with a limit of 4 guns do 60 dps less than a Vindi with 8 blasters?

Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-06-18 09:34:24 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Temuken Radzu wrote:
A kronos can preform just as well with blasters as it has the same bonuses as a vindi in pve, plus it has more tank then a vindi for a little less (around 60) dps. Also, they are cheaper :P
I use one in against angels and it rips them apart in seconds.


Tell me, how can a Kronos with a limit of 4 guns do 60 dps less than a Vindi with 8 blasters?


Read the Kronos' damage bonus.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#8 - 2012-06-18 10:12:30 UTC
Pro-tip, to get the same damage output with kronos you need to fit 4x mag stab II's.

Vindicator with railguns is very powerful provided you are competent with dictating engagement range.

I have vindicator fit that performs respectably. Fit 2x coreli a-type adaptive nano's (because of 1mw pg and ZERO cpu) for good omni tank, a single large repper {preferably x-type if you can afford it} and an auxilary nano pump. Even with my crappy skills and 2 federation mag stabs I get 5000 damage volleys out to 42km+17 falloff.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-06-18 12:29:08 UTC
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Temuken Radzu wrote:
A kronos can preform just as well with blasters as it has the same bonuses as a vindi in pve, plus it has more tank then a vindi for a little less (around 60) dps. Also, they are cheaper :P
I use one in against angels and it rips them apart in seconds.


Tell me, how can a Kronos with a limit of 4 guns do 60 dps less than a Vindi with 8 blasters?



Marauder skill bonus: 100% dmg for large hybrid guns

Making 4 guns spit 200% dmg = 8 guns

However Marauder sensor strength being so awesome (!) let it at the station and dress it like hangar queen for next gay parade.

Also: your fits make your ship a much better loot piñata than T2 fitted, expect to be gank (soon)
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-06-18 13:01:19 UTC
Yep, I ignored the Marauder damage bonus, my fault.

Tanya Powers wrote:

Also: your fits make your ship a much better loot piñata than T2 fitted, expect to be gank (soon)


Doubt that, but thx for hint.

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Predator989
Kurupt.
Sedition.
#11 - 2012-06-18 16:56:07 UTC
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Temuken Radzu wrote:
A kronos can preform just as well with blasters as it has the same bonuses as a vindi in pve, plus it has more tank then a vindi for a little less (around 60) dps. Also, they are cheaper :P
I use one in against angels and it rips them apart in seconds.


Tell me, how can a Kronos with a limit of 4 guns do 60 dps less than a Vindi with 8 blasters?


Read the Kronos' damage bonus.


Read the Vindicator's damage bonus
mama guru
Yazatas.
#12 - 2012-06-18 18:47:48 UTC
Predator989 wrote:
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
Rordan D'Kherr wrote:
Temuken Radzu wrote:
A kronos can preform just as well with blasters as it has the same bonuses as a vindi in pve, plus it has more tank then a vindi for a little less (around 60) dps. Also, they are cheaper :P
I use one in against angels and it rips them apart in seconds.


Tell me, how can a Kronos with a limit of 4 guns do 60 dps less than a Vindi with 8 blasters?


Read the Kronos' damage bonus.


Read the Vindicator's damage bonus


Vindi does about 12.5% more dps for twice the ammo consumption, making the kronos more isk efficient, never mind the rep bonus

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Snyderm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-06-18 18:51:22 UTC
Ratting with gallante boats in 0.0 anoms is very profitable. I did this for a long time in Serpentis space. I typically get 30-40 million bounty ticks, around 100 mill an hour.

I really wonder if this will be possible in guristas space. It works in gallante space because half of the spawn burns towards you, half burns away from you. There were no jammers, and I think all guristas ships will be long range.

Your fit has a big problem that people without experience doing this correctly won't spot: Your prop mod. If you have to fit a prop mod, then you are better off fitting rails. You must anchor your ship on the enemy's spawn point and shoot them all without moving. If one gets out of range, then you lose time shooting them outside of falloff and lose isk. If you try to burn after them, you will just compond the problem by being even further away from the spawn point for the next spawn.

So either blasters and no prop mod, or use rails.

You can tank this with a vindicator, but a hyperion or kronos is a bit easier with its rep bonus. Kinda tight with a vidicator.

My favorite Kronos Forsaken hub ratting fit:

Highs:
4 Neutron Blaster IIs (Void or Null)
2 Large energy vampires (for fitting more tracking computers)

Mids:
4 Tracking computer IIs (switch scripts based on range)

Lows:
Core A-Type Larger repper
Core A-Type Thermic Hardener
Core A-Type Kinetic Hardener
4x Fed Navy Mag stabs

This is not a hypothetical fit, I used this for a year.
If you have no battleships that fly toward you, try losing the vampires and fit 2 cap rechargers and 2 tracking computers.

Good luck doing this in guristas space, I would be curious to know if it works there.