Crime & Punishment

All I have to say is BLACKFROG GET MY RIFTERS TO HEILD FASTER !!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm also a new member to the Uni, having been in the corp only 4 days. The thing about this war is... on the one hand you have the corps living in MH that want small gang pvp and such, but on the other hand you have the Uni whose response is to blob any aggressors that war dec them. In the WSOP it pretty much tells uni pilots that we should crush the enemy with overwhelming numbers and ewar in order to not give them pleasure and "free kills". If you want small gang pvp against the uni, deccing us is probably not the way to do it. I also don't think the Uni is going to simply move out because they don't respond that way to threats or whatnot. I'm semi-neutral to the matter. I've been down in Heild during these wars a few times and have seen what happens there. Both sides have valid points. Not sure war is going to solve "our" differences though.

Challenge accepted!

From what I grasp, the war decs happened because the uni low sec camp moved into Heild, some good pvp was had at first, but then Uni fleets started hugging gates and stations to take advantage of the guns. War dec happened to bypass the guns. At least that's what I understood from the various threads and blogs I've read about the topic. Correct, no? As far as I can tell, you low sec guys don't mind the uni being in Heild as long as it isn't a blob, and that small scale pvp would be accommodated.

Again... the problem is that by deccing IVY, the uni has gone into "blob mode" or whatever, with every pilot who wants in to some pvp action joining fleets and heading to MH. The low sec camp is a low sec learning experience for pilots that are interested in seeing what it's like to live in lowsec. War has turned that into: "Ok guys, gather the swarm and make sure not to engage if you can't come out on top." You guys want "fair fights" on even terms, but as far as I can tell you won't get that with war. There is no limitations in the UNI to who can join in the fight. When you have 2500 members you're bound to get a lot of guys that want to shoot at stuff. So what you get is a vast amount of pilots flying whatever they can afford to lose, including lots of ewar, as that's what the UNI uses during war time to overcome skill differences (skill points, as well as actual gameplay experience). It's gone beyond teaching uni noobs how to pvp at this point.

Low sec camp fighting pirate corps in MH -> pirate corps dec the uni to bypass gate guns -> Rest of the uni joins in the fight -> pirate corps complain about blobs and ewar.

I don't care either way. PvP is part of the reason I joined the Uni, and more wars means more guys to shoot at. I'm just pointing out that blobs and ewar is how the uni operates in pvp/war, just in case it hasn't already become painfully obvious. Maybe it isn't the way to learn how to pvp for new pilots. I don't know. I'm just saying that these wars aren't going to make the uni suddenly change the way it functions.

Many of these corps will also teach you how to fit a ship in ways besides select all->fit to ship

No is expecting, nor suggesting, that you give people free kills. In fact, doing that would make people like me think even less of E-UNI than we already do.

In your earlier post, you claimed E-UNI blobbed because MH pirates dec'd E-UNI. I called bullshit, because E-UNI blobbed simply because you literally don't know how not to blob. Besides, all the MH locals are saying is that they think everyone would have more fun if E-UNI ran with smaller gangs, which would accomplish the actual goal of the LSC, which is to teach E-UNI members how to actually fight in LS.

The point was that E-UNI claims to teach its members, and the point of the LSC is to teach them specifically how to PVP in LS. The reality is that this isn't what happens because you bring so many people, that the actions of any individual has no impact, meaning the amount of learning going on in these situations is minuscule at best.

Then you go on and say that it is unreasonable to have a maximum number on your LSC. If your intention is to actually provide a learning opportunity to your members, as you claim, there are numerous solutions for you to accomplish this. For one, you can simply restrict the numbers you admit to the LSC, and shuffle people through the "course." If you don't like turning people away, you could set up several LSCs in different regions, each with a limited number. This lets you maintain an environment in which someone might actually learn something, while not having to turn people away (or at least as many people).

Now, if your intention is not, in fact, teach your members how to PVP in LS, then by all means, keep up your current methodology while we continue mocking the idea that E-UNI is actually about (or capable of) teaching anyone anything about how to PVP.

Sigh, the auto save feature is lovely but the eating of the newer post is frustrating.

The war decs came down as an attempt to deal with the situation at hand. It was not an attempt to ask eve uni to bring small gang PvP. In fact, small gang pvp is the last thing that many expect from eve uni. No one is ignorant of it.

When Eve Uni roamed through the area, we would gather a fleet up and take them on. Out numbered was fine. We didn't expect anything else.

When eve uni moved into the area and the fleet sizes started to swell to 30 and 40 people, the war dec came in to level the field. Gateguns and station guns are a fact of life in low sec. However, using a game mechanic to ones advantage is also a fact of life in Eve. When you have people that roam in 1-10 person gangs on the norm, and they are coming across 3 to 4 times their numbers every time they undock from their station, they are going to make decisions.

No one was ignorant that Eve Uni would take the war dec as a way to blob up. In fact, according to the original poster we need to be cleansed from space. The discussion was that eve uni members would learn more about PvP in a different type of setup then they are learning by all running, jumping into fleet and attacking the one ship that they find. While none of the corps have any interest in being blue that does not negate the fact that they would all happily pewpew and then explain/discuss what is going on or just hang out and chat and answer questions or what have you.

There are many different topics wrapped up in the overall issue. Each one has its own set of solutions and options. Combining them is rather wasteful.

As for the eve uni forums being different from the opinions expressed by the other side, there is zero shock. The only question is can you look at both sides and filter through the information to create a complete picture?

102 in Bosena earlier today.