Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Im afraid but this thread is about earthworms.

According to the lore Cis Gendered pure-blood gallente don't exist.
Whereas amarr are very much full of cis privilege and religiosity.
I for one think that we should be given the option to be something non-cis. Right now that is not possible due to makeup and clothing exclusivity.

Is it possible for normal people which first language is not English and who do not really care about such issue to not use weird words such as "Cis" what the hell is that suppose to mean (I supposed it was "normal" gender).

Finally what would slider be for? I mean you are either male or female at birth, after that you have the character creator to do a feminine guy or a masculine gal. As you cannot see player genitalia, I do not see what you want more? Make up?

I believe what they want is to see the female clothing and makeup on men, and vice versa.

One challenge I see to that is that male and female bodies are very different (on average). Our proportions differ and most clothing cut for women would be a poor fit for men. The challenge there for the art team is making clothing that works for both sexes.

Remember guys that you're asking for a significant effort on the part of the art team. This isn't just a matter of making skirts appear in the man's "closet". The skirt will need to be recreated to fit the man properly, and the male models themselves might need to be reworked in order to properly wear a skirt. In fact, they would probably need a different walking animation in order for the skirt to look right.

While we're asking for new artwork...can I get a kilt and some blue face paint? FREEDOM!!!

Please learn the definition of the word tranny before using it.

Hint: it is derogatory.

I haven't read this lore, but I think you might be misunderstanding something about it. For starters, sex isn't a "slider" even in real life. People who are actually naturally trans-sexual (hermaphrodites) have partially developed versions of all of the male-specific features as well as the female-specific features. They're not in between, they're a little of both. To use a more colorful example, they are not a color between light blue and pink, but rather they consist of light blue areas and pink areas.

Now, people, don't get all insulted about this. You can feel that sex is a slider if you want, but that doesn't make it true.

Most trans-gendered people, however, are not even hermaphrodites. They are either fully male or fully female, with the possible exception of some hormonal development at very early stages. They might feel they belong more to one group than another, but they will look physically indistinguishable from one of the two sexes.

I do agree that CCP should have included more intersex clothing, esp. clothing that is less form-fitting; and perhaps also clothing that comes in two cuts so that both sexes have the option to look approximately the same. And perhaps when they release more clothing options they will give us things like this.

But I do not think they should waste time trying to support very rare human features that will primarily be abused by people who think it's funny to abuse the character generator. There are too few normal options to add things like that just yet.

Now comes the question, how does one program a video game to emulate a social and mental construction such as gender and gender identity? It's all in how you portray yourself in communications. And, since our avatars in this game are technically spaceships floating through space, we are all referred to in the feminine (following the tradition that vessels use feminine pronouns).

Cor'byn Black
Captain
Caldari Cormorant - Class Destroyer 'Exile'

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Captain
Amarr Vengeance-Class Assau--*BOOM*
*ahem*
Gallente Proteus-Cla--*BOOM*
uhh...
Ibis.

Forgive me for posting this in a thread in features and ideas, but I fear it needs to be said.

No word or term is derogatory, but people may use it in a statement that is intended to be derogatory, or it may be perceived by a person hearing it to be derogatory. This is completely a factor of intent, and has nothing to do with the word or phrase itself, except by association. Thus banning the word or phrase is effectively ignoring the problem in lieu of a false solution.

Go ahead and be angry that there are people who think it's wrong to be a tranny, but don't for one second think that it's bad for a kind-hearted person to use it as a mere label.

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I grew up believing that a transsexual was a person who had undergone gender-swap surgery and was pretending to be and telling others that they are what they aren't. This is not true--a transsexual is someone who's inner gender identity conflicts with their outer sex. I am a transsexual.
(it's not trans as in transformation, but more like cis/trans as is used in chemistry)

I also grew up being told that a pedophile is a person who molests or rapes children. This is also not true. A pedophile is anyone who is sexually attracted to anyone who is prepubescent, or in the early years of puberty. The title has nothing to do with any sexual activity, and in fact not only are most pedophiles avoiding sexual contact with children, but there is evidence that a substantially large percentage of child molesters and rapists may not even be pedophiles. Also, being sexually attracted to someone under the age of 18 years who is fully sexually developed is not pedophilia, though some will tell you it is. When I was in my early years of puberty, I believed I was a pedophile. By technical terms I was a hebephile, but considering I was attracted to girls my age and slightly younger, it was completely normal.

And I grew up being told by many people that homosexuality is a choice. It is most definitely not a choice, and it is also not a boolean value. I'm approx. 90% straight and 10% gay. I'll likely never have a fulfilling sexual relationship with someone of my sex because they don't usually have much to offer me. But I'm not saying it couldn't happen.

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So in conclusion, I hope you can see why these derogatory attitudes toward such benign things can be very hurtful. It is best to accept alternative ideas and thoughts that don't hurt you, and to not jump to the conclusion that they will hurt you. It is not wrong to be a transsexual, cissexual, a pedophile, an ephebophile, gay, straight, a shade of brown, or whatever other characteristic people are born with and have no choice of. And also remember, it's the intent that counts, not the word!

Quoted for truth.

Clothing is mostly just a shader applied to the body model, so "fitting" the clothes might not actually be that hard; as shaders, they are fitted by definition. They should still be tested for rendering glitches, of course.

I've always been surprised that there was no makeup for men. First, Gallente; second, if you're going to have WWII fetish clothes, piercings, and freaking aviators (without bomber jackets?! really?), you might as well let people go full goth/glam/Lou Reed/Eurotrash/whatever, whether they're transgendered or not.

As far as gender goes, nobody knows your gender in space; your portrait only shows your sex. So that would come down to character behavior, which can currently only be expressed in chat and on voice comms.