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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#61 - 2012-06-16 18:15:12 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
The racial stereotypes are ridiculously strong in this thread. I expect that sort of stuff from Seriphyn, but seeing it come from an Honor Guard member is most disappointing.


I beg your pardon?

Assuming that you're talking about my post, pilot, I'm not talking about race. I'm talking about culture.

My culture.

Amarr tend to believe in their God.

Minmatar tend to believe in recovering their original culture-- and recovering their kin from the Amarr.

Gallente tend to believe in rights and freedoms, and to value these highly.

Caldari tend to believe in the value of community and tradition, and to be more materialistic rather than less.

Achura also tend to believe in the value of community and tradition(which is why we get along), tend also to believe in the value of knowledge, and to be less materialistic rather than more.

In all cases, there are plenty of exceptions. But if you approach the Gallente without understanding what they, as a culture, value, you will be setting yourself up for a good bit of frustration.

If this has anything to do with genetics, that remains unclear. Maybe there's some, somewhere. It has a lot more to do with culture, which, in turn, has a lot to do with the context a people originated in. The Caldari were taught by a cold world, and learned well. The Gallente were taught by a warm world, and learned well.

Saisio doesn't freeze us, much, but it does break things. Wealth is transient; understanding is not.

Clear enough?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#62 - 2012-06-16 18:51:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Now, then, General Inhonores....

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
So, a quiet and philosophical culture is compatible with a heavily militaristic one that is characterized at the highest level by ruthless hypercapitalism, unethical corporate practices, and generally seeing no issues with starting wars and inflicting violence on civilians based on grudges that emerged during a conflict that no one here was around to live through.


And which, even if we take all the rest of what you say as true, is content to leave us alone.

A culture which, in fact, protects our way of life.

The Caldari appreciate the value of tradition and of cultural identity. The Gallente understand the value of the individual. Which do you think is more useful for retaining a particular cultural identity over time?

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It's a shame. If the Achur remained in the Federation, they might have produced many of our most notable Presidents, like the Intaki have done.


And why would we want to do such a thing? To demonstrate how well we had merged with the larger Federal culture? To satisfy our own pride at the recognition outsiders give us?

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... the Federation is designed to champion ideals that transcend racial and cultural boundaries.


It champions ideals that it likes to think transcend cultural boundaries.

"Freedom" is a surprisingly squishy word. You Gallente seem to use it mostly to refer to individualistic self-determination, but historically it's been used at least as often to mean, "Freedom from foreign rule, so that we can be reigned over by our own."

From your perspective, I suppose that could be written as "Freedom to oppress ourselves according to our own traditions."

That is not a thing the Federation gladly offers.

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The Provists and the State as a whole seem to forget that race and culture are ultimately trivial things, and that humans are, in essence, all the same.


Race? Yes. Trivial. Some members of my family would disagree, but I am more than happy to concur.

Culture? ... This, Seriphyn, is why the war is as it is.

At base, humans may indeed be all the same. But see if you can track this:

We do not believe in the Amarrian god, nor in seeking to please a fictional being in word and action.

We may or may not agree that the Matari have justification for their anger towards the Amarr. Regardless, we do not share their history or tragedy, and do not share their outrage.

We do not agree that your culture, full of self-indulgent distractions, is of equal value to ours. How can you think straight, surrounded by all of that?

We do not even agree that the material-minded Caldari culture is equal in value to our own. Our arrangement with them is the best kind of deal: one in which each side feels it has gotten the better bargain.

Each culture has reasons for being what it is, but implicit in sustained difference is a sense of pride in who and what one is. If we thought that all of these were equivalent options, why would we bother to be ourselves?

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If you lot want to sit in your corner of the cluster, kicking and screaming about preservation of a culture that is ancient and outdated, when the rest of us in the Federation recognize universal human concepts, then be my guest.


Ancient, yes. But can a culture that embraces knowledge and seeks ever-broader insight ever really be outdated?

It can be abandoned, though, for a chaotic babble of experiences and indulgences. That is what the future you offer looks like to us.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#63 - 2012-06-16 19:00:36 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
If the Achur remained in the Federation, they might have produced many of our most notable Presidents, like the Intaki have done.

That's quite revolting, you know...

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:

The Provists and the State as a whole seem to forget that race and culture are ultimately trivial things, and that humans are, in essence, all the same.

There's a serious flaw in your speech. In the part, where you say that "all humans are the same". This is, of course, cannot be true. That's how nature have made us: different.

Only with diversity we can advance and enhance ourselves. Only by comprehending our abilities and working in their direction we can become more efficient than grey mass of "all-equal-skilled-beings". Should you study biology, you will find out, that these all-alike organisms are very primitive and none of them have developed consciousness.

And especially this diversity is true for humans: no one is born the same. We all have different genes, we might change our fate, but we will never change what we are. If you have born with mathematical abilities, you won't become good artist, still you can be artist, but you wouldn't be able to compete with talented artist, and if you will become mathematician, you will get great success. You can work as hard as you want, but you will never overcome what the Maker gave you.Some people are born as crafters and some as thinkers, some are born to lead, and some to follow, some were born smart and some are stupid, some bring life, and others bring death... Born as Gallentean you can never become Achur. And if you born as Achur, you will never become Amarrian. We all are different. Different individuals, different bloodlines, different nations.

We are the same only by the fact that we are one species, no more and no less. I hope you was going to say this, because otherwise your suggestion could lead to even more grave and disturbing false conclusion, that "humans are equal".
And this would be a crime against the Maker, against the nature, against the reason, knowledge and sense.
Don't follow the path that can lead to ignorance. Remember.

NO ONE WAS BORN EQUAL.
NO ONE.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#64 - 2012-06-16 19:15:51 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
The racial stereotypes are ridiculously strong in this thread. I expect that sort of stuff from Seriphyn, but seeing it come from an Honor Guard member is most disappointing.


I beg your pardon?

Assuming that you're talking about my post, pilot, I'm not talking about race. I'm talking about culture.

My culture.

Amarr tend to believe in their God.

Minmatar tend to believe in recovering their original culture-- and recovering their kin from the Amarr.

Gallente tend to believe in rights and freedoms, and to value these highly.

Caldari tend to believe in the value of community and tradition, and to be more materialistic rather than less.

Achura also tend to believe in the value of community and tradition(which is why we get along), tend also to believe in the value of knowledge, and to be less materialistic rather than more.

In all cases, there are plenty of exceptions. But if you approach the Gallente without understanding what they, as a culture, value, you will be setting yourself up for a good bit of frustration.

If this has anything to do with genetics, that remains unclear. Maybe there's some, somewhere. It has a lot more to do with culture, which, in turn, has a lot to do with the context a people originated in. The Caldari were taught by a cold world, and learned well. The Gallente were taught by a warm world, and learned well.

Saisio doesn't freeze us, much, but it does break things. Wealth is transient; understanding is not.

Clear enough?


That's better, now that you've properly clarified. Fairly impressive, actually.

Katrina Oniseki
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#65 - 2012-06-16 19:18:34 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

And this would be a crime against the Maker, against the nature, against the reason, knowledge and sense.
Don't follow the path that can lead to ignorance. Remember.

NO ONE WAS BORN EQUAL.
NO ONE.


Finally, she says something that makes sense.

Katrina Oniseki
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-06-16 21:48:02 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
So, a quiet and philosophical culture is compatible with a heavily militaristic one that is characterized at the highest level by ruthless hypercapitalism, unethical corporate practices, and generally seeing no issues with starting wars and inflicting violence on civilians based on grudges that emerged during a conflict that no one here was around to live through.


Sigh.

Characterized by whom as such? The Federation? Yes, those things have and do happen but they are not the "normal" that you seem to be picturing them as. Would you prefer I start pointing fingers at your own Federation's many failures and faults and proclaim them to be the norm?

Seirphyn Inhonores wrote:

It's a shame. If the Achur remained in the Federation, they might have produced many of our most notable Presidents, like the Intaki have done.


You clearly don't understand the Achura as well as you are pretending to.

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
If the rest of you actually believe the Federation to go out of its way to oppress minorities (an odd statement, given that there is no dominating majority in this nation), then I don't think you know how soft power and "conquering peacefully" works. While the State enforces racial/ethnic lines that do nothing but perpetuate this conflict (though, war seems profitable to the Big Eight), the Federation is designed to champion ideals that transcend racial and cultural boundaries.


I'd like for you to point out these racial/ethnic lines that the State supposedly enforces. Anyone is permitted to live and operate in the State as long as they are willing to live by its laws and commit to the corporate structure. The State does not make a habit of absorbing other cultures and then expecting them to conform.

The Caldari understand full well how "conquering peacefully" works and if by "transcend racial and cultural boundaries" you mean "absorbs them until they no longer exist," then yes. Your Federation wears other cultures like the latest fashion trend until the difference between your own culture and the one you're trying to absorb is beyond notice and anyone that wishes to remain distinct suffers from a lack of representation in your government and social structure. Of course, you'll deny this, but anyone with any amount of obersevation will see it.

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Sure, those ideals have their roots from Gallente Prime, but like any idea, it has been changed through interacting with the philosophies of other cultures within the Federation. The Provists and the State as a whole seem to forget that race and culture are ultimately trivial things, and that humans are, in essence, all the same. Many on this side of the Border Zone seem to forget that, too, but these are the Federation's founding principles, and this will be reminded when the radicalism perpetuated by the likes of President Roden and the military-industrial complex petters out.


So you brand the State and the Caldari people as a whole for the radicalism of its leader and his directorate but make it a point to distinguish the saving points of the Federation from the radicalism of its leaders. If you keep working at it, you might make a decent Federation politician one of these days.

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
It's a shame that, despite the advancements of humanity in ascending to the interstellar field, that founding nations and setting out policy based on petty ideas of race and culture is acceptable. A prehistoric mindset if there every was one. If you lot want to sit in your corner of the cluster, kicking and screaming about preservation of a culture that is ancient and outdated, when the rest of us in the Federation recognize universal human concepts, then be my guest.


Herein lies the quintessential truth of your cultural mindset. "Other cultures are old and outdated, the Federal culture is new and progressive!" You have absolutely no right to dictate that to anyone yet you try to anyways. If you truly uphold the ideals of freedom and liberty then practice showing respect and understanding to those of other cultures instead of trying to mold everyone into your image.


~Malcolm Khross
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#67 - 2012-06-16 22:42:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Your Raata Empire ended over two-thousand, three hundred years ago.

Time to move on.

You also forget that there is no Federal culture, only policy. As long as you're not inflicting violence on your fellow human beings, or infringing on their freedoms, than you can have whatever culture you want.

It's just the Caldari culture swoons over some ancient and dead empire, and seeks to restore it at the expense of human life.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#68 - 2012-06-16 23:17:23 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Your Raata Empire ended over two-thousand, three hundred years ago.

Time to move on.


The Raata Empire dissolved into the meritocratic, de-centralized culture the Caldari held when the Gallente found us. It is also the basis for the State. We will decide when it is time to move on, not you! You fail to grasp the fact that you do not tell us how to be Caldari.

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
You also forget that there is no Federal culture, only policy. As long as you're not inflicting violence on your fellow human beings, or infringing on their freedoms, than you can have whatever culture you want.


Political policy and procedure is your culture if you seek to argue this angle. You also made no attempt whatsoever to refute my previous ascertation regarding how your Federation's "free to have whatever culture you want" policy is actually practiced. You absorb cultures and you force them to bend to your interpretation of how they should live through your political policies and practices, if a people's culture doesn't fit in perfectly, then they are forced to change it or forever be under-represented in your politics.

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
It's just the Caldari culture swoons over some ancient and dead empire, and seeks to restore it at the expense of human life.


Interestingly enough, there wouldn't be any bloodshed if your Federation would keep its tendrils to itself. Restoring our culture doesn't require bloodshed unless we are forced to defend it from others.

You play at innocence but your hands are stained in blood, at least the Caldari have enough honor to admit it.

~Malcolm Khross
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#69 - 2012-06-16 23:27:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:

It's just the Caldari culture swoons over some ancient and dead empire, and seeks to restore it at the expense of human life.


If you're referring to the return to Caldari Prime, you can politely shove that statement right up your ass, General.

We have as much right to sovereignty of our homeworld as any other race or culture, free of your Federate control. Keep in mind this is coming from an Ishukone representative, those normally comparatively friendly to the Federation.

You took it from us, we took it back. Get over it.

Katrina Oniseki
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#70 - 2012-06-17 03:49:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
You also forget that there is no Federal culture, only policy. As long as you're not inflicting violence on your fellow human beings, or infringing on their freedoms, than you can have whatever culture you want.


If you mean to say that the Federation, as in, the Federal government itself has no culture, then you may technically be right. In practice? ... hm.

A democracy is influenced, heavily, by the cultural values of its voters. I could even argue that culture has more direct control over the Federation than over the State. Your value of "freedoms" is a fair example of this-- not the absence of a value, or the elevation of some sort of universal value (just look around and see how universally your freedoms are valued), but the deep impression an individualistic, freedom-loving culture has had on your Federation.

The very claim that I can "have whatever culture I want" is itself an expression of cultural values-- and antithetical to cultures that derive their desired effects (cultural piety, unity, etc.) from limiting choices.

In fact, even yours would seem to limit cultural freedom of its members to practice cultures that limit others' freedoms. It would seem to largely do this through one of the same mechanisms as many of our less liberty-oriented cultures use: intense social disapproval.

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It's just the Caldari culture swoons over some ancient and dead empire, and seeks to restore it at the expense of human life.


Haven't plenty died for freedom-- for your cultural values, General?

What, other than your own culture, positions you to say which cause is worth killing or dying for? Do you claim to speak for the universe, to tell us how it thinks we should live? Do you speak as some prophet of the beyond, like the Amarr tell us of their god?

Or do you simply speak what your culture tells you is true, like the rest of us?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-06-18 06:39:27 UTC
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:

You also forget that there is no Federal culture

Exactly!
All these federation holoreels, novels, advertisements, propaganda, luxury products, they aren't culture. They are ABSENCE of culture. All these ideals are mockery of human nature! They depict professionals as villains and wicked mischievous freedom fighters as heroes!
Ban it all for the sake of sanity!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Hans Nardieu
Federal Nationalist Party
#72 - 2012-06-18 06:52:20 UTC
Is this woman still going on? This is worse than Jin Mei water torture.

Col. Hans Nardieu (ret.) Chairman, National Party of the Federated Union of Gallente Prime Office of the Party Headquarters, Villore VII-6 Senate Bureau Station
Paul J Keating
The Light on the Hill
#73 - 2012-06-18 07:46:28 UTC
I think Ms. Kim just needs to watch more police dramas if she wants to see professionals being the good guys. I recommend Orbital Patrol, it's about daring exploits and salacious drama aboard a Federation Customs patrol vessel. Riveting stuff.
Seriphyn Inhonores
Elusenian Cooperative
#74 - 2012-06-18 09:01:59 UTC
You'll need to support these claims of Federal cultural meddling over the past few years. Superior food and cultural products such as holoreels don't count; this was done by independent corporations, not the Federal governments or people. If you don't like it, maybe you shouldn't have accepted Quafe as a fully sovereign State megacorp.

If I recall correctly, a dictator seized power in your State, and used the atrocities committed by a single man to justify going to war, and killing millions on both sides. The Federation went to war in retaliation. If you recall, President Foiritan was doing everything he could to prevent war.

You have a weak platform to justify this conflict. Killing over culture is criminality of the highest order. Human life is tangible. Culture is constructed. Husbands, wives, sons, and daughters, have been killed over your ridiculous claims.

There is no cultural meddling. The many Caldari who migrate here are free to practice their traditional customs, such as Way of the Winds. Why would the Federation give two fucks about an ethnic religion that does nothing to threaten the social orders?

Or, if the Caldari do actually believe that the idea that human life is precious is just a Gallente cultural construct, maybe I should actually buy into the pro-war propagandists.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#75 - 2012-06-18 11:51:22 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:

Culture? ... This, Seriphyn, is why the war is as it is.

At base, humans may indeed be all the same. But see if you can track this:

We do not believe in the Amarrian god, nor in seeking to please a fictional being in word and action.

We may or may not agree that the Matari have justification for their anger towards the Amarr. Regardless, we do not share their history or tragedy, and do not share their outrage.

We do not agree that your culture, full of self-indulgent distractions, is of equal value to ours. How can you think straight, surrounded by all of that?

We do not even agree that the material-minded Caldari culture is equal in value to our own. Our arrangement with them is the best kind of deal: one in which each side feels it has gotten the better bargain.

Each culture has reasons for being what it is, but implicit in sustained difference is a sense of pride in who and what one is. If we thought that all of these were equivalent options, why would we bother to be ourselves?


I may derail the topic a little but ultimately cultures will blend and change as they have always done, and this even more now since that phenomenon has gone past nations boundaries and now spreads all over New Eden. Wars and conflicts are logical results of such a manifestation but people try to struggle against facts that are ultimately inevitable. The result is already easy to witness in most of the border zones separating the four empires.

The Federation ironically may be the nation that understood that concept eons ago, and yet blinds itself to that exaggerated cultural libertarianism that seems to opress its own minorities. They wrap themselves in pride when it comes to cultural liberties where they conveniently forget that processes like these take time to happen and are not to be forced at the risk of losing a good part of the cultural matter in the process.

The Caldari state on the other hand, holds a protectionist and rigid policy that may seem a little xenophobic to outsiders where it seems that they pick carefully what they want to integrate and what they do not, at the expense of being basically left behind.

Malcolm Khross wrote:

Interestingly enough, there wouldn't be any bloodshed if your Federation would keep its tendrils to itself. Restoring our culture doesn't require bloodshed unless we are forced to defend it from others.


Out of curiosity, was the assault on Caldari Prime part of "restoring your culture" ?

Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:

It's just the Caldari culture swoons over some ancient and dead empire, and seeks to restore it at the expense of human life.


If you're referring to the return to Caldari Prime, you can politely shove that statement right up your ass, General.

We have as much right to sovereignty of our homeworld as any other race or culture, free of your Federate control. Keep in mind this is coming from an Ishukone representative, those normally comparatively friendly to the Federation.

You took it from us, we took it back. Get over it.


So according to you, Arzad belongs to the Minmatar in the same twisted reasoning ?
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#76 - 2012-06-18 13:01:30 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Malcolm Khross wrote:

Interestingly enough, there wouldn't be any bloodshed if your Federation would keep its tendrils to itself. Restoring our culture doesn't require bloodshed unless we are forced to defend it from others.


Out of curiosity, was the assault on Caldari Prime part of "restoring your culture" ?


This is not curiosity, this is a very transparent bait.

However, in case I have misjudged your intent, the answer is no.

Caldari Prime is the Caldari homeworld and we wanted it back. It falls under "keep your tendrils to yourself."

~Malcolm Khross
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#77 - 2012-06-18 13:25:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
If I recall correctly, a dictator seized power in your State, and used the atrocities committed by a single man to justify going to war, and killing millions on both sides. The Federation went to war in retaliation. If you recall, President Foiritan was doing everything he could to prevent war.


Yes, through clever political maneuvering and clout, a single man did seize a disproportionate amount of power in the State and has used that power and information warfare to fuel a war. You would be ignorant or intentionally blurring the truth if you pretend that the Federation has had no part in the ongoing and exceptionally long history of conflict between our people, Inhonores.

You and I both know that it only takes a single crack in a hastily constructed dam to compromise the integrity of the whole and allow the water to flood through. The history between our people is rife with atrocities and wrongs committed by both sides. The few years of "peace" we've had between ourselves have always been tenuous and strained with only a single chaotic incident between peace and another war.

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
You have a weak platform to justify this conflict. Killing over culture is criminality of the highest order. Human life is tangible. Culture is constructed. Husbands, wives, sons, and daughters, have been killed over your ridiculous claims.


There is no justification for conflict and war. They happen as a consequence of our inability to agree on everything and they bring out both the best and worst of humanity. There is no justification, there is only cause and the myriad of choices we face because of them.

We agree completely on the value of human life, general. It saddens me that this conflict is even present, it saddens me even greater that lives are lost because of it. However, since you can't seem to understand why we're fighting and claim that we're just "killing over culture," let me put it in terms you will understand: The Caldari people are fighting for freedom and liberation. Freedom from your Federation and from your politics and from your regulations and liberation from your infestation of our homeworld and our people.

You claim you want to coexist peacefully, fine! I would absolutely love for this to happen. We've proven it can happen in the past, but we've allowed ourselves to be thrust into conflict yet again because of atrocities committed by one side or the other. Prove that you want to coexist instead of conquer, general. Tell your alliance to pack up and leave Caldari Sovereign space and never enter it again. The Honor Guard is at least doing the same for you.

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
There is no cultural meddling. The many Caldari who migrate here are free to practice their traditional customs, such as Way of the Winds. Why would the Federation give two fucks about an ethnic religion that does nothing to threaten the social orders?


Pay attention to the direction of movement in the following statements, general:

"The Caldari who migrate here..."

"The Federation absorbing Caldari Prime and the Caldari..."

Both have happened and continue to happen. The first implies a willing, free decision to come to you. The second implies a forceful expansion. The Caldari don't care about the former, it's the latter that we take issue with. The latter involves cultural meddling, period. History has proven it time and time again.

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
Or, if the Caldari do actually believe that the idea that human life is precious is just a Gallente cultural construct, maybe I should actually buy into the pro-war propagandists.


You've said some ridiculously stupid stuff in the time I've known you but this one really takes the cake. I won't even justify it with an attempted legitimate response because it's simply that ludicrous.

~Malcolm Khross
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#78 - 2012-06-18 14:19:46 UTC
I was going to answer at length, but really it boils down to this:

Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:
You have a weak platform to justify this conflict.


From your perspective, yes. You may have noticed that our own is the one we look at things from.

When did you stop trying to understand, Seriphyn?
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#79 - 2012-06-18 14:42:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Hello, Ms. Farel.

Lyn Farel wrote:
The Caldari state on the other hand, holds a protectionist and rigid policy that may seem a little xenophobic to outsiders where it seems that they pick carefully what they want to integrate and what they do not, at the expense of being basically left behind.


Achur society, which is part of the State, eagerly seeks out and incorporates new knowledge. This is a large part of what I'm so keen to protect. Our religion is an integral part of our society-- and of our desire to learn.

The Caldari focus on merit in structuring their society. Part of "merit" is a willingness to incorporate and apply the new. They don't let their religion get in the way, much.

Caldari ships are powered by gravitational fusion, the most advanced power source in the cluster (outside of whatever the Sleepers and Jove use, anyway). Our sensor systems are based on the same principles, and are the most difficult to disrupt. If we do not yet use these technologies to their full potential, it is not for lack of eagerness to apply what we know.

The Amarr Empire has doctrinal methods for starship construction interlaced with occult practices. Any explorer or inventor who has handled Amarrian high technology at its conceptual level can tell you that the process has a peculiarly archaeological quality to it that goes over and above the usual poking-about-ancient-ruins that the rest of us get up to.

... and culturally, the Empire doesn't seem to think it has anything to learn from anyone, never mind being selective.

I'm very sorry, but can it be fairly said that we are the ones in danger of being left behind?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2012-06-18 15:46:48 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Words


Do shut up. Adults are talking.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.