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The Amarr factional war is over.

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Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#101 - 2012-06-16 12:27:01 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:



100 guys on comms yesterday and we were running plexes in gangs, looking for fight.
When gallente did finally show their faces was after we flipped 2 systems, and they came with a BS heavy fleet with heavy logistic support.

You had 100 guys on comms and couldn't come up with a fleet to match that? Really???
We had a 40 man fleet. So we came out in BSes? Go get yours and let's go! I find it hard to believe that out of "100 guys" you couldn't come up with BSes and logi support.
Not for nothing, it took you guys 2 1/2 hours to finally respond to that fleet, and it showed up after we had flipped 2 systems and were almost done with the third. after being out about 3 hours crashing bunkers the euros went home and logged and the rest took a break. I just find it disingenuous you make like you came up with that fleet in anything vaguely resembling a timely manner and make snide remarks about how we failed to react....
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#102 - 2012-06-16 12:36:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Shadow Adanza wrote:
chatgris wrote:
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:



100 guys on comms yesterday and we were running plexes in gangs, looking for fight.
When gallente did finally show their faces was after we flipped 2 systems, and they came with a BS heavy fleet with heavy logistic support.

You had 100 guys on comms and couldn't come up with a fleet to match that? Really???
We had a 40 man fleet. So we came out in BSes? Go get yours and let's go! I find it hard to believe that out of "100 guys" you couldn't come up with BSes and logi support.


Or you know, 100 drakes == 300,000 alpha IIRC. Just alpha the BS's one by one.

It sounds more to me like they rolled out a big fleet as a show of force so they could say: "Oh, we brought out a fleet but the big bad Gallente were too scared to play with the mighty Caldari." And when the Gallente brought out their own, bigger fleet instead of using those "100 guys" to ship up and get a fight (like they "wanted"), they turned tail and docked up not to be seen for the rest of the day.

If you claim to have 100 guys in comms, you have no room to complain about an enemy's fleet comp when it's less than half of what you have in comms. You tell a room with 100 Gallente in it there's a 42 man Caldari fleet flying BSes with logi, I guarantee you you'll get a fleet to spar with them and probably have to turn people away to boot.


Uhmm, for the record I made no complaint whatsoever. I didnt say there was anything wrong with what Gallente did so please do not put words in my mouth I did not give you leave to do so.

Now if you are claiming that we didn't have those numbers on comms, ok, whatever, suit yourself. I, and everyone else who was on knows we did. Why you see fit to call him who you know not, a liar, i dunno.

Taking 2 systems and almost finishing a 3rd is not a show of force. We were doing something. It also it becomes apparent from your posts that you werent, in fact, actually online at the time, or at least not there. Have no idea why you are even posting in the thread other than to troll, TBH.

As far as not being seen the rest of the day, we did in fact bust the bunker in the third system a short time later. It's ours now.Again, wrong. Again.

To restate, i have no complaints about the Gals, i never complain about what they do in the field, never have, I simply stated we couldnt match their fleet so we didnt give battle. Thats not a whine, just a fact.

Another poster wants to pretend i am claiming we had 100 drakes available. in the 45 man fleet we had, we only had 15 BCs and the rest were smaller ships, so no, i wasn't gonna fight a 40 man BS gang with logi support.

Mock all you want, i think it's really just a case of the gals crying sour grapes after we spent the afternoon plexing, flipping systems, blowing up gallente ships and then, hours later when they finally respond we split after we had done the damage.

Win for us, fail for you. The fact is you arent winning anymore. Deal with it.Maybe if you didnt wait almost 3 hours to raise a proper fleet youd still own those systems

Bottom line, when patch came out ,we owned 41 systems, you had the rest. It's now 53 to 48, In Caldari's favor, and changed during the aforementioned events.You can claim victory all you want. reality says otherwise.You are losing, loser.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#103 - 2012-06-16 12:57:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
Mutnin wrote:
Pinky Feldman wrote:



Not really even comparisons....


You do realize that prior to the patches we were something like 15 or more systems in the hole to Gallente? We had lost our home system Enaluri. We had maybe 3 agent systems left in low sec and came very close to losing two of those 3, the week of the patch.

We were in no better shape than Amarr, prior to the week before the patch came out and in all honestly I think Amarr were better off because Caldari couldn't even field a BC gang at the time. We didn't have a rosy out look and pretty much everyone had to evac their stuff to high sec or to some station system that wasn't a likely target.

The thing that made the difference for Caldari is our plexing guys kept plexing and Caldari would get a system flip every once in a while and manage to flip a bunker in the odd hours of the night. Gals would of course just take it back, but we knew we could take systems but just couldn't hold them.

That gave us one opportunity.. The week of the patch we didn't roll over and let Gals steam roll our last few important systems. Instead we went on the offensive and put an all out effort to flip station systems that Gals were living in. We put them on the defense which meant they couldn't roll anymore of our system instead they had to defend.

We failed at capturing any systems in our efforts but we succeeded in stopping them from taking any new systems prior to the patch. After the patch, it started to become apparent that the patch wasn't going to be as bad as we thought and actually might favor the way Caldari has been playing the last year.

Simply put the patch favors the side that spreads out it's forces and attacks all across the map, instead of staying boxed up in one area. This is what Caldari had been forced into doing by the Gal blobs, but ironically it became what has allowed turn the fight in our favor.

Amarr could have done what Caldari has done and in all honestly you still can.. To win the new sov system you have to spread your corps out across the map where they can attack their local systems but more importantly defend those systems that are captured.


Exactly.Wasn't anything random, was a counter offensive we launched. It was in fact pretty mush the same thing the Israelis did in the '73 war after they couldnt stop the Egyptians in Sinai , so they crossed the Suez instead and made them defend their capitol and stop offensive ops. It also had the same net effeect, and gave us time to regroup and reinforce so that we were able to make a viable defense of our remaining vital assets.I forget whose idea it was to do this in Caldari, but it was a damn good one.Props to him.

You see people, it is an actual war, and not just random PvP and pointless PvE.
David Clausewitz
David Clausewitz Corporation
#104 - 2012-06-17 00:43:42 UTC
Hodor.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#105 - 2012-06-17 01:23:21 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:

Uhmm, for the record I made no complaint whatsoever. I didnt say there was anything wrong with what Gallente did so please do not put words in my mouth I did not give you leave to do so.

Now if you are claiming that we didn't have those numbers on comms, ok, whatever, suit yourself. I, and everyone else who was on knows we did. Why you see fit to call him who you know not, a liar, i dunno.

Taking 2 systems and almost finishing a 3rd is not a show of force. We were doing something. It also it becomes apparent from your posts that you werent, in fact, actually online at the time, or at least not there. Have no idea why you are even posting in the thread other than to troll, TBH.

As far as not being seen the rest of the day, we did in fact bust the bunker in the third system a short time later. It's ours now.Again, wrong. Again.

To restate, i have no complaints about the Gals, i never complain about what they do in the field, never have, I simply stated we couldnt match their fleet so we didnt give battle. Thats not a whine, just a fact.

Another poster wants to pretend i am claiming we had 100 drakes available. in the 45 man fleet we had, we only had 15 BCs and the rest were smaller ships, so no, i wasn't gonna fight a 40 man BS gang with logi support.

Mock all you want, i think it's really just a case of the gals crying sour grapes after we spent the afternoon plexing, flipping systems, blowing up gallente ships and then, hours later when they finally respond we split after we had done the damage.

Win for us, fail for you. The fact is you arent winning anymore. Deal with it.Maybe if you didnt wait almost 3 hours to raise a proper fleet youd still own those systems

Bottom line, when patch came out ,we owned 41 systems, you had the rest. It's now 53 to 48, In Caldari's favor, and changed during the aforementioned events.You can claim victory all you want. reality says otherwise.You are losing, loser.
Sure looked like complaining to me.

I didn't question it. Merely quoted your number.

I was in the fleet that busted the Korasen bunker and the following Battleship fleet.

In case you haven't seen my other posts, I don't care about taking or losing systems. It bores me to no end and the only reason I was at the Korasen bunker was I heard y'all might be coming.

We were just saying out of 100 guys in comms you should've been able to come up with a fleet.

You sure have an inferiority complex going on.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#106 - 2012-06-17 06:46:00 UTC
Shadow Adanza wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:

Uhmm, for the record I made no complaint whatsoever. I didnt say there was anything wrong with what Gallente did so please do not put words in my mouth I did not give you leave to do so.

Now if you are claiming that we didn't have those numbers on comms, ok, whatever, suit yourself. I, and everyone else who was on knows we did. Why you see fit to call him who you know not, a liar, i dunno.

Taking 2 systems and almost finishing a 3rd is not a show of force. We were doing something. It also it becomes apparent from your posts that you werent, in fact, actually online at the time, or at least not there. Have no idea why you are even posting in the thread other than to troll, TBH.

As far as not being seen the rest of the day, we did in fact bust the bunker in the third system a short time later. It's ours now.Again, wrong. Again.

To restate, i have no complaints about the Gals, i never complain about what they do in the field, never have, I simply stated we couldnt match their fleet so we didnt give battle. Thats not a whine, just a fact.

Another poster wants to pretend i am claiming we had 100 drakes available. in the 45 man fleet we had, we only had 15 BCs and the rest were smaller ships, so no, i wasn't gonna fight a 40 man BS gang with logi support.

Mock all you want, i think it's really just a case of the gals crying sour grapes after we spent the afternoon plexing, flipping systems, blowing up gallente ships and then, hours later when they finally respond we split after we had done the damage.

Win for us, fail for you. The fact is you arent winning anymore. Deal with it.Maybe if you didnt wait almost 3 hours to raise a proper fleet youd still own those systems

Bottom line, when patch came out ,we owned 41 systems, you had the rest. It's now 53 to 48, In Caldari's favor, and changed during the aforementioned events.You can claim victory all you want. reality says otherwise.You are losing, loser.
Sure looked like complaining to me.

I didn't question it. Merely quoted your number.

I was in the fleet that busted the Korasen bunker and the following Battleship fleet.

In case you haven't seen my other posts, I don't care about taking or losing systems. It bores me to no end and the only reason I was at the Korasen bunker was I heard y'all might be coming.

We were just saying out of 100 guys in comms you should've been able to come up with a fleet.

You sure have an inferiority complex going on.


Not at all, rather it is you who are chiding us for not having a bigger fleet.Which is stupid.Trolls be trollin'...
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#107 - 2012-06-17 14:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Exactly.Wasn't anything random, was a counter offensive we launched. It was in fact pretty mush the same thing the Israelis did in the '73 war.
Shall I assume afk plexing alts represent settlers on the west bank?
Moonasha
Orcses and Goblinz
#108 - 2012-06-17 15:44:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonasha
Stop being a weakling and help us win it back.

edit : although thanks to CCP's bad game mechanics this is impossible to do. But winning the fake war doesn't necessarily make the game fun.
Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#109 - 2012-06-17 18:49:49 UTC
Moonasha wrote:
Stop being a weakling and help us win it back.

edit : although thanks to CCP's bad game mechanics this is impossible to do. But winning the fake war doesn't necessarily make the game fun.


You looked better with short hair.
Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2012-06-17 21:36:43 UTC
Moonasha wrote:
Stop being a weakling and help us win it back.

edit : although thanks to CCP's bad game mechanics this is impossible to do. But winning the fake war doesn't necessarily make the game fun.


Why is it impossible?

Harder? Maybe. But, impossible?
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#111 - 2012-06-18 03:56:25 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Exactly.Wasn't anything random, was a counter offensive we launched. It was in fact pretty mush the same thing the Israelis did in the '73 war.
Shall I assume afk plexing alts represent settlers on the west bank?
Yes, that works just fine for me.
I gonna Katyusha you Kibbutz..
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#112 - 2012-06-18 06:25:53 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
Exactly.Wasn't anything random, was a counter offensive we launched. It was in fact pretty mush the same thing the Israelis did in the '73 war.
Shall I assume afk plexing alts represent settlers on the west bank?
Yes, that works just fine for me.
I gonna Katyusha you Kibbutz..


Both of you seem eager to join me in "forum gag" department Lol
Bronnwynn
Gradient
Electus Matari
#113 - 2012-06-18 14:20:13 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:

Things I would balance are NPC's i.e. all NPC's should need to be killed and should web etc and I do I think the t1 pricing is probably too harsh and t5 to good but the general principle of lost your territory you're broke compared to the other guy is sound.

Okay, there's no need to make NPCs web, or all need to be killed.

CCP just needs to unify the EWAR for all 4 racial navies. In the same way Minmatar can lolplex until someone comes in, Amarr can camp out .6, .7, etc. systems if they're willing to commit, whereas any Minmatar attempt to do so will be a neut-lol-die event.

tl;dr - ewar should be same for all navies, would fix balance problems.

ps - make all damage/tank omni, too, so there's no lol lets crosstrain to our enemies to counter their navy
Mr Barista
Remnants of the T.R.I.A.D
#114 - 2012-06-18 15:01:23 UTC
all i hear is a bunch of amarr whining about how bad they are at eve. man up bro, im always around to cheer you up, just come to my plex and give me more kms, im getting sick of fweddit ones
Jones Bones
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#115 - 2012-06-18 15:07:42 UTC
Mr Barista wrote:
all i hear is a bunch of amarr whining about how bad they are at eve. man up bro, im always around to cheer you up, just come to my plex and give me more kms, im getting sick of fweddit ones


You spent 7 hours defensively plexing Siseide yesterday without getting a kill. LOL nerd.
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#116 - 2012-06-18 16:37:40 UTC
chatgris wrote:

Does it count Minmatar militia that you kill/are killed by?

I don't see why it would not.[/quote]
chatgris wrote:

Also, the Caldari have never been outnumbered, militia stats have always had you with a significant numbers advantage over the gallente, just a lot of that advantage used to be farmers in stealth bombers: Now you have a mechanic to leverage all the farmers you have in your militia.

This actually suprised me a bit. The FW "wargame" is now about system plexing pressure and resistance, and a lot more mission runner farmers have taken to it.

To argue your point, for at least two years Gallente PvP players outnumbered and outgunned Caldari PvP'ers. A lot of corps joined our side since the changes, making it a lot more even. Combine that with our plexing pressure and you see why the warzone bar is where it is.

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.

Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#117 - 2012-06-18 20:32:43 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Pinky Feldman wrote:



Not really even comparisons....


You do realize that prior to the patches we were something like 15 or more systems in the hole to Gallente? We had lost our home system Enaluri. We had maybe 3 agent systems left in low sec and came very close to losing two of those 3, the week of the patch.

We were in no better shape than Amarr, prior to the week before the patch came out and in all honestly I think Amarr were better off because Caldari couldn't even field a BC gang at the time. We didn't have a rosy out look and pretty much everyone had to evac their stuff to high sec or to some station system that wasn't a likely target.

The thing that made the difference for Caldari is our plexing guys kept plexing and Caldari would get a system flip every once in a while and manage to flip a bunker in the odd hours of the night. Gals would of course just take it back, but we knew we could take systems but just couldn't hold them.

That gave us one opportunity.. The week of the patch we didn't roll over and let Gals steam roll our last few important systems. Instead we went on the offensive and put an all out effort to flip station systems that Gals were living in. We put them on the defense which meant they couldn't roll anymore of our system instead they had to defend.

We failed at capturing any systems in our efforts but we succeeded in stopping them from taking any new systems prior to the patch. After the patch, it started to become apparent that the patch wasn't going to be as bad as we thought and actually might favor the way Caldari has been playing the last year.

Simply put the patch favors the side that spreads out it's forces and attacks all across the map, instead of staying boxed up in one area. This is what Caldari had been forced into doing by the Gal blobs, but ironically it became what has allowed turn the fight in our favor.

Amarr could have done what Caldari has done and in all honestly you still can.. To win the new sov system you have to spread your corps out across the map where they can attack their local systems but more importantly defend those systems that are captured.


Except for the fact that the NPC EWAR imbalance is a pretty big deal when it comes to plexing and had there been balance before, I would completely agree with you. Despite the obvious short term implications, it also means Amarr never quite had the base of plex farmers to start out with that other factions did.
Tri Vetra
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2012-06-18 20:51:25 UTC
fire cannot kill a dragon :smth:
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#119 - 2012-06-18 20:57:46 UTC
So, OP, basically this is the first time, EVER, in the history of EveO, that one faction has "lost" in the short term to a rival faction? EVER? Wow... I wasn't aware that nobody had ever been on top before, and no one faction ever had such APATHY to lose so embarassingly to a rival faction.

Wow... I'm so stunningly naive.
Duke Dantez
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2012-06-18 21:01:21 UTC
Jones Bones wrote:
Mr Barista wrote:
all i hear is a bunch of amarr whining about how bad they are at eve. man up bro, im always around to cheer you up, just come to my plex and give me more kms, im getting sick of fweddit ones


You spent 7 hours defensively plexing Siseide yesterday without getting a kill. LOL nerd.


So for 7 hours you couldn't find the balls to engage him? then call him a nerd? I still don't get the nerd joke btw. it's not that bad of an insult (we are all kinda nerdy for playing this game) but is it some kind of inside joke or something?

SaorAlba wrote:
Pathetic and Pessimistic rant


Have you noticed yet that it is mostly your fellow Amarians that are calling you out on your lack of commitment to their effort? Asking CCP to fix things for you just makes you sound weak and disgruntled.

Today is the 18th of June almost a month since the new patch changed everything in FW and the Amarr are in a better position than they were the day the patch hit. At the same time the Minmatar have fewer systems than we held after the patch. This is fact. Source: IC- FW Stats

The trend is slow but it’s supposed to be slow. You gain systems and lose systems but the trend is in your favor. You can’t expect to get to 50/50 control as fast as the Caldari did with your **** poor attitude. But keep complaining because the more you do the more you demoralize your own kind and CCP is not going to bail you out of your own stupidity.

I do admit that the Tier system/LP payout is a bit harsh but it’s supposed to be. Otherwise why fight for control.

Cearain wrote:
Its pretty straight forward strategy that is why I don't mind posting it here.

The problem is no one wants to do that much pve.


It wasn’t fun Plexing nonstop for no LP gains for a solid 2 months before the patch but everyone in Minmatar militia knew that we would be rewarded for putting in the hard “PVE” work. The fact that we got a nice big weekend of PVP just before the patch was just icing on the cake.