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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#1 - 2012-06-17 11:17:19 UTC
TL:DR - Transport ship with a ship maintenance bay instead of a large cargo hold. No covert ops cloak. No guns.

Every time I talk to people who are into Exploration, they complain about the need to refit after scanning, or after killing things in order to put their codebreaker on. Or they complain that they can't use a fully combat fit ship while doing exploration. Or they want to use a scanning bonused ship to scan and then another ship to kill things. And they inevitably don't want to be flying back and forth to brign their 3 ships to each system. The list goes on.

Their solutions usually come in the form of solopwnmobiles, which are obviously not going to fly with most people. So here's my counter proposition:

A new Transport ship, effectively a pared down Orca. It would give up the majority of its cargo bay in order to fit a ship maintenance bay to allow one cruiser and one frigate at a time. It would still have a (small) cargo bay, something like 500m3. It would allow you to use an alt to bring along your ships, and extra ammo, as well as allowing a place to store your loots. so, here's a dot-point list.

- It's a large transport ship that is fit to carry cruisers. Battleship like handling.
- No covert ops cloak. You can fit a normal one if you want, but no warping cloaked.
- No guns. This is a transport, your defense is in not getting caught, or the ships you're traveling with.
- No drones. See above.
- No warfare links.
- Small cargo bay (500m3?)
- Ship maintenance bay to fit one cruiser and one frigate. Also a ship fitting service.
- Slot layout of: 2/4/4 - enough CPU and grid to fit a decent armor OR shield tank, but not both. No turret/missile hardpoints.
- Tank should be about on par with a battlecruiser (yes I said BC) because it has cut so much out in order to fit the SMB.

This ship would aid in exploration by being a mobile fitting point, as well as a small hauler all in one. It could be used for other things as well I'm sure, but it will not be a solopwnmobile, and it will not be used in PvP to kill things (maybe as bait)

Comments? Ideas? Suggested changes? GTFO?
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-06-17 13:03:47 UTC
You're describing an orca, but worse. Why pare down a ship that already does exactly what you want?
bartos100
Living Ghost
#3 - 2012-06-17 13:08:02 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
You're describing an orca, but worse. Why pare down a ship that already does exactly what you want?


besides the fact that flying an orca thru low sec is scuicide ?

how about the prise of an orca ?
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#4 - 2012-06-17 13:09:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Paikis
I think I mentioned that it was a small orca. The idea is that it needs to be mobile so it can go into low or null sec with some chance of getting off a gate. Try taking an orca to low sec sometime
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-06-17 14:10:25 UTC
Paikis wrote:
I think I mentioned that it was a small orca. The idea is that it needs to be mobile so it can go into low or null sec with some chance of getting off a gate. Try taking an orca to low sec sometime



Oh, so you want a carrier then?

Seriously, ship haulers for lowsec already exist. Ship haulers for highsec already exist.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-06-17 16:35:29 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
+1

Danika Princip wrote:
You're describing an orca, but worse. Why pare down a ship that already does exactly what you want?


Because only miners should be able to carry their own ships, right? RIGHT? Be a miner or htfu?Big smile

Danika Princip wrote:
Paikis wrote:
I think I mentioned that it was a small orca. The idea is that it needs to be mobile so it can go into low or null sec with some chance of getting off a gate. Try taking an orca to low sec sometime



Oh, so you want a carrier then?

Seriously, ship haulers for lowsec already exist. Ship haulers for highsec already exist.


A boat that shoots stuff already exist - the rookie ship. It does everything, it can shoot, and it can mine. It can already be done poorly. Therefore, nothing else that can be better at specific tasks should exist.Roll
Altair Raja
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-06-17 20:45:27 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
+1

Danika Princip wrote:
You're describing an orca, but worse. Why pare down a ship that already does exactly what you want?


Because only miners should be able to carry their own ships, right? RIGHT? Be a miner or htfu?Big smile

You think Orca's are only used by miners?

AFK cloaking doesn't earn anything, so it needs a buff!
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#8 - 2012-06-17 20:53:50 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Oh, so you want a carrier then?

Seriously, ship haulers for lowsec already exist. Ship haulers for highsec already exist.


No, I want a smaller Orca. Exactly like I said in the original post.

Here's the problems with the current Orca, and Carriers, for the usage of exploration support ship.

Orca Problems:
- It's rediculously slow. Align times close to 30 seconds (24.7 secs with all Vs and 2x Istab IIs, 55.5sec base)
- It's expensive. It isn't really something you want to risk in low/null sec.
- Training for it is quite long.

Carrier problems:
- It's rediculously slow.
- It's expensive.
- Training is even longer.
- You have to broadcast your location to the entire system every time you want to move it.
- Can't go to high sec.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#9 - 2012-06-17 21:41:36 UTC
Sorry but I'm still trying to see what role this fills for low sec exploration. Those of us that are experienced enough to scout something like this around low sec are already experienced enough to be using T3s etc.

Those that aren't still won't bring this kind of thing in, because its a flying death trap.

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Marwolaeth Arglwydd
Alternate Powers
#10 - 2012-06-18 04:23:21 UTC
How about a dedicated ore hauler, that has only a small (100 m^3) cargo hold and a ore bay. Where the skill bonus is to expand the the ore bay.

Thats a cargo ship I would like to see.
Kievan Arakyd
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-06-18 04:32:22 UTC
TBH, the orca needs to be separated into 2 different ships, one to allow for small gang mothership type refitting in space, great for pirates and such, but weak tank, like the above described.

Change the orca into an ore hauling and minign support ship only, give it a SMALL corp hanger and a small cargo bay and increase the ore bay.

Got my Dust514 key...
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-06-18 04:47:06 UTC
What if they made it possible for tech 3 ships to undergo a "metamorphosis" in which they go inactive for a minute or so and emerge fitted with different subsystems? You could carry extra subsystems in your cargo and fit them in space, albeit slower than fitting at a station.

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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#13 - 2012-06-18 04:58:11 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
What if they made it possible for tech 3 ships to undergo a "metamorphosis" in which they go inactive for a minute or so and emerge fitted with different subsystems? You could carry extra subsystems in your cargo and fit them in space, albeit slower than fitting at a station.

It would be nearly impossible to find a balance between too short a period of inactivity and too long. Too short, the idea becomes ridiculously OP for ninja plexing. Too long, it becomes an unusable death sentence.

Not to mention how bad the code behind refitting T3s is at the moment even in station, I hate to think what bugs would appear with in-space fitting.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]