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@CCP : Do not cave in to Goons on Inferno 1.1

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#101 - 2012-06-18 02:23:22 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:



I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.


Hurr hurr, you're a clever one Jade. How's tricks?


Tell me who your main is and I'll tell you.


Does it matter? Either you're involved in a war with my main or you aren't.

In other words, you don't get to see my birth certificate.

Also, I'm pretty sure you don't get many tricks these days. :3

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-06-18 02:28:39 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Jade less words more of this:

CCP Soundwave wrote:
The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created.


but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right?


You're telling me you enjoy the tinfoil covered mass of words that are vomited into posts?

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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#103 - 2012-06-18 02:31:21 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Jade less words more of this:

CCP Soundwave wrote:
The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created.


but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right?


You're telling me you enjoy the tinfoil covered mass of words that are vomited into posts?


I don't enjoy the words, no, but I do enjoy bullets. I expect harder goons to "take one for the team" in reading Jade's posts.

Reading a Jade post is much like reading Stephanie Meyer, I imagine.

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Constable Chang
#104 - 2012-06-18 02:34:57 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Jade less words more of this:

CCP Soundwave wrote:
The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created.


but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right?



I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.


Should be able to wardec npc corps. Wardeccing the Amarr Ministry of War should be... interesting. Don't empire navies get to field caps and supers in their own empire space?
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2012-06-18 02:38:29 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Jade less words more of this:

CCP Soundwave wrote:
The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created.


The quote doesn't really make sense though. Otherwise why doesn't the wardec cost ramp up when the defender adds more allies (thus targets) into the wardec? Also, why does the wardec cost against goons (for example) calculate 500m per week for (9000 members) when by admission of most of their members there are no more than 90 or so active in empire (and thus reachable through the hisec wardec system).

As for the "social repecurssions" - well doesn't that cut both ways? If an alliance has made itself very unpopular in eve there are litterally dozens of hisec trade hub raiders who'd like to join wars against them but are now prevented from doing so by the exponentially-increasing wardec ally multiplier (which is a bit silly because it increases much further and more extremely than simply layering on additional wardecs would.


Read it again it makes perfect sense. Keep reading it until you understand it and quit whining about semantics.

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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#106 - 2012-06-18 02:39:24 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:



I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.


Hurr hurr, you're a clever one Jade. How's tricks?


Tell me who your main is and I'll tell you.


Does it matter? Either you're involved in a war with my main or you aren't.

In other words, you don't get to see my birth certificate.

Also, I'm pretty sure you don't get many tricks these days. :3



I hope that wouldn't be an attempt at a rumour post you are trying there

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-06-18 02:39:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Caliph Muhammed
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Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#108 - 2012-06-18 02:40:11 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:



I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.


Hurr hurr, you're a clever one Jade. How's tricks?


Tell me who your main is and I'll tell you.


Does it matter? Either you're involved in a war with my main or you aren't.

In other words, you don't get to see my birth certificate.

Also, I'm pretty sure you don't get many tricks these days. :3



I hope that wouldn't be an attempt at a rumour post you are trying there


What would be the rumor that you are implying I may be starting?

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Caliph Muhammed
Perkone
Caldari State
#109 - 2012-06-18 02:43:41 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Since you're obviously talking about the wardec assistance changes, you do realize that we didn't lobby for it one way or another, right? This will not "sever" the Jita "umbilical cord" for nullsec because people use neutral alts.

Until you can show a single post where a Goonswarm member is complaining about allies dogpiling into wars, I'm just going to assume that the basis of your complaint is based on hearsay.


Caliph Muhammed wrote:
Greg Valanti wrote:
im mrmessy wrote:
How about something that fixes the wardec pile ons. Goonswarm has 37 corps allied with one war target. I have no idea on how to fix this or make it less annoying


CCP Goliath wrote:

• Ally contracts have fixed length of two weeks
• Allies can not be part of mutual wars – defender cannot hire allies into mutual wars and existing ally contracts are cancelled (with a 24 hour grace period)
• Added cost for hiring multiple allies for a war – hiring more than one ally now incur a cost that goes to CONCORD. The cost rises exponentially the more allies are hired into the same war.




You're welcome. DevSwarm wins you the game.
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#110 - 2012-06-18 02:43:49 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:


You're welcome. DevSwarm wins you the game. You can't beat the man with the pencil.


Look at that one post. Who is im mrmessy?

I will further challenge you, can you find more than one post of Goons asking for this change? Maybe one that people have heard of?

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Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2012-06-18 02:44:44 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:



I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.


Hurr hurr, you're a clever one Jade. How's tricks?


Tell me who your main is and I'll tell you.


Does it matter? Either you're involved in a war with my main or you aren't.

In other words, you don't get to see my birth certificate.

Also, I'm pretty sure you don't get many tricks these days. :3



I hope that wouldn't be an attempt at a rumour post you are trying there


Ohgod it gets worse. Please someone just gag this ejit... anyone?
Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#112 - 2012-06-18 02:48:20 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:

Ohgod it gets worse. Please someone just gag this ejit... anyone?


It's amazing how someone like that can make attack post after attack post after rumor post after rumor post and still not be banned.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#113 - 2012-06-18 02:54:40 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
I don't enjoy the words, no, but I do enjoy bullets. I expect harder goons to "take one for the team" in reading Jade's posts.

Reading a Jade post is much like reading Stephanie Meyer, I imagine.

It's tinfoil refined and compressed into posts.

There you go.

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Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2012-06-18 03:02:16 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:


You're welcome. DevSwarm wins you the game. You can't beat the man with the pencil.


Look at that one post. Who is im mrmessy?

I will further challenge you, can you find more than one post of Goons asking for this change? Maybe one that people have heard of?


How many times are you going to move the goal post?
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2012-06-18 03:07:46 UTC
listen, the point is this. You already have the ability to ban together for free, and join in other peoples wars by forming massive alliances. Or even just by all having an agreement and declaring war on someone separately.

This system was suppose to be for merc alliances and corps to make money off of people who need defending. What the ally system let happen was already possible, thus, pointless. it's not done yet, it needs a lot more work honestly, like only letting in 1 ally in my opinion.

but it has nothing to do with a null sec alliance.

also if your fighting a null sec allaince why do you even need a declared war in the 1st place? you do know war decs have no meaning in 0.0 right?

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#116 - 2012-06-18 03:09:16 UTC
Marconus Orion wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
Caliph Muhammed wrote:


You're welcome. DevSwarm wins you the game. You can't beat the man with the pencil.


Look at that one post. Who is im mrmessy?

I will further challenge you, can you find more than one post of Goons asking for this change? Maybe one that people have heard of?


How many times are you going to move the goal post?


you mean like you just did.? answer the damn question, quote a single goonswarm member complaining about the war system. if you can't then there is no reason goonswarm would be behind something that just don't give a **** about.

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2012-06-18 03:11:55 UTC
Constable Chang wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
Jade less words more of this:

CCP Soundwave wrote:
The other thing is that war dec prices are determined by the value you get from them. If you want to go to war with someone, a higher number of potential targets should be more expensive. If you're a smaller alliance, this makes you a less attractive target, unless you've made someone angry in which case you're responsible for any social repercussions you've created.


but the more words he says the more we get to shoot at him, right?



I don't really think you get to shoot at anyone from an npc corp.


Should be able to wardec npc corps. Wardeccing the Amarr Ministry of War should be... interesting. Don't empire navies get to field caps and supers in their own empire space?


disagree too much grieving of new players.

I think noob corps should have wars of thier own, between different npc noob corps, that never end, so your never safe. Or just push them all into Factional warfare, so high sec is still safeish

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#118 - 2012-06-18 03:30:52 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
also if your fighting a null sec allaince why do you even need a declared war in the 1st place? you do know war decs have no meaning in 0.0 right?

Camping Jita is a war unto itself.

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2012-06-18 03:31:17 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

And lets remember another reality here. This is not hisec wardec people asking for a change in the in game to their benefit.



No, that is not a reality. That is just made up, and possibly a "rumor". The reality is that wardecs have never been a nullsec issue. At best they are a joke, at worst they are irrelevant. The only people that are going to have their game effected by wardecs, and would have any reason to complain, are highsec people.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#120 - 2012-06-18 03:46:29 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
David Cedarbridge wrote:
Oh really? You have the CCP email/evemail transcripts and the CSM minutes to show who is asking for these changes or are you still on some kick about how Goons are totally afraid of you and your super scary allies list?


Such things are not to be discussed on these forums anymore.

Then I'm afraid that nobody is going to take your word for it. If you can't prove something then it is worth literally nothing.