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Ayame Yoshida
Republic 1st Fleet
#1 - 2012-05-23 02:05:21 UTC
So I had a few Aurum left over from the Incarnum release and bought a dust sterling shirt to make my character more look more military in appearance and it dawned on me that uniforms for FW would be nice. A set of clothes that is added to your customization options (not as items since people would just sell them). Even just (temporarily, until a character leaves FW) adding the current Sterling shirts would be a nice start.

Caldari - Blue or black (or maybe grey)
Minmatar - Dust
Amarr - White, probably, white seems a very imperial colour, pristine.
Gallente - no idea, probably blue or black or olive.

Full uniforms would be nice though, maybe opening new options as you progress through the ranks (in a npc corp) or have them assigned to you by CEO/Director (player FW corp). The addition of shoulder insignia to denote rank would be nice.

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Ikayami Togenada
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-06-02 18:25:43 UTC
+1
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-06-02 21:07:46 UTC
I see no reason not to allow these things to be sold. I might even buy one.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-06-03 02:50:03 UTC
Hmm, maybe caldari (or preferably agllente, since they have dronesa dn alot fo robotics) get some cyberpunky color-schemes, you know? solid black jackets/uniforms with neon/fleurescent light-blue highlights/trim.

also, make them sellable on the market, because heck, even in RL, you can buy Team Jersey's for sports to show your support, or military uniforms at a surplus store (or from a friend)
Ayame Yoshida
Republic 1st Fleet
#5 - 2012-06-03 11:31:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayame Yoshida
Perhaps they could automatically add it to your clothing list when you enlist but also make the basic uniform purchasable for LP. Insignia and higher ranking officer uniforms should definitely be exclusive to FW pilots though. In most countries I think it's actually illegal to dress as a military officer, though it's also likely only in reference to certain aspects of the uniform. There are a lot of military surplus stores out there but you'll find most of it is outdated gear and the insignia and other various emblems and badges have been removed from them. After all, what is the point of having a uniform to donate you as a member of the military if anyone can dress like you. Plus if you could sell any uniform items you got for simply enlisting or gaining ramp people would just farm and sell them. Even having them in the LP store is unlikely since it will likely clash with their NEX store business model.

Edit: Ok I actually went searching for some sort of reference to the legality of dressing as an officer and found the following:


Quote:


Army Regualtion 670-1, paragraph 1-4 states:

d. In accordance with chapter 45, section 771, title 10, United States Code (10 USC 771), no person except a member of the U.S. Army may wear the uniform, or a distinctive part of the uniform of the U.S. Army unless otherwise authorized by law. Additionally, no person except a member of the U.S. Army may wear a uniform, any part of which is similar to a distinctive part of the U.S. Army uniform. This includes the distinctive uniforms and uniform items listed in paragraph 1–12 of this regulation. Paragraph 1–12 goes on to define "Distinctive uniforms and uniform items:"

a. The following uniform items are distinctive and will not be sold to or worn by unauthorized personnel:

(1) All Army headgear, when worn with insignia.
(2) Badges and tabs (identification, marksmanship, combat, and special skill).
(3) Uniform buttons (U.S. Army or Corps of Engineers).
(4) Decorations, service medals, service and training ribbons, and other awards and their appurtenances.
(5) Insignia of any design or color that the Army has adopted.

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Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-06-03 13:40:12 UTC
+1
Mathias Sermus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-06-03 14:25:24 UTC
I actually like this idea. Might also to be cool to change the uniform depending on the rank of the character, show off just how important you think you are
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-06-03 15:58:34 UTC
Ayame Yoshida wrote:
Perhaps they could automatically add it to your clothing list when you enlist but also make the basic uniform purchasable for LP. Insignia and higher ranking officer uniforms should definitely be exclusive to FW pilots though. In most countries I think it's actually illegal to dress as a military officer, though it's also likely only in reference to certain aspects of the uniform. There are a lot of military surplus stores out there but you'll find most of it is outdated gear and the insignia and other various emblems and badges have been removed from them. After all, what is the point of having a uniform to donate you as a member of the military if anyone can dress like you. Plus if you could sell any uniform items you got for simply enlisting or gaining ramp people would just farm and sell them. Even having them in the LP store is unlikely since it will likely clash with their NEX store business model.

Edit: Ok I actually went searching for some sort of reference to the legality of dressing as an officer and found the following:


Quote:


Army Regualtion 670-1, paragraph 1-4 states:

d. In accordance with chapter 45, section 771, title 10, United States Code (10 USC 771), no person except a member of the U.S. Army may wear the uniform, or a distinctive part of the uniform of the U.S. Army unless otherwise authorized by law. Additionally, no person except a member of the U.S. Army may wear a uniform, any part of which is similar to a distinctive part of the U.S. Army uniform. This includes the distinctive uniforms and uniform items listed in paragraph 1–12 of this regulation. Paragraph 1–12 goes on to define "Distinctive uniforms and uniform items:"

a. The following uniform items are distinctive and will not be sold to or worn by unauthorized personnel:

(1) All Army headgear, when worn with insignia.
(2) Badges and tabs (identification, marksmanship, combat, and special skill).
(3) Uniform buttons (U.S. Army or Corps of Engineers).
(4) Decorations, service medals, service and training ribbons, and other awards and their appurtenances.
(5) Insignia of any design or color that the Army has adopted.




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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-06-03 16:01:49 UTC
I like the idea of more unique looking military uniforms for every race.

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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#10 - 2012-06-03 17:55:36 UTC
How about dogtags as well?

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Ayame Yoshida
Republic 1st Fleet
#11 - 2012-06-04 11:14:41 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Ayame Yoshida wrote:
Perhaps they could automatically add it to your clothing list when you enlist but also make the basic uniform purchasable for LP. Insignia and higher ranking officer uniforms should definitely be exclusive to FW pilots though. In most countries I think it's actually illegal to dress as a military officer, though it's also likely only in reference to certain aspects of the uniform. There are a lot of military surplus stores out there but you'll find most of it is outdated gear and the insignia and other various emblems and badges have been removed from them. After all, what is the point of having a uniform to donate you as a member of the military if anyone can dress like you. Plus if you could sell any uniform items you got for simply enlisting or gaining ramp people would just farm and sell them. Even having them in the LP store is unlikely since it will likely clash with their NEX store business model.

Edit: Ok I actually went searching for some sort of reference to the legality of dressing as an officer and found the following:


Quote:


Army Regualtion 670-1, paragraph 1-4 states:

d. In accordance with chapter 45, section 771, title 10, United States Code (10 USC 771), no person except a member of the U.S. Army may wear the uniform, or a distinctive part of the uniform of the U.S. Army unless otherwise authorized by law. Additionally, no person except a member of the U.S. Army may wear a uniform, any part of which is similar to a distinctive part of the U.S. Army uniform. This includes the distinctive uniforms and uniform items listed in paragraph 1–12 of this regulation. Paragraph 1–12 goes on to define "Distinctive uniforms and uniform items:"

a. The following uniform items are distinctive and will not be sold to or worn by unauthorized personnel:

(1) All Army headgear, when worn with insignia.
(2) Badges and tabs (identification, marksmanship, combat, and special skill).
(3) Uniform buttons (U.S. Army or Corps of Engineers).
(4) Decorations, service medals, service and training ribbons, and other awards and their appurtenances.
(5) Insignia of any design or color that the Army has adopted.




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You should use NEX items then. I can’t remember what they are but there is an admiral style long coat (might be male only I don't remember) and military looking shirts (like the one I am wearing. There's your military surplus. No uniforms for you!

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Procal Jomar
MEI Holdings
#12 - 2012-06-04 16:27:14 UTC

I like this idea. I'd like to see it implemented along these lines:

1) These clothes are issued when you join FW.
2) New options are available as you move up in rank.
3) They are "bound" to the player...thus, they cannot be traded.
4) Similar styles with different colors would be available on the market/stores.
5) When you leave FW, the clothes that were issued you are returned and removed from your inventory.

Just some ideas to add in.
Ayame Yoshida
Republic 1st Fleet
#13 - 2012-06-08 02:36:30 UTC
This is why I think they should be added driectly to character's clothing options. A lot easier to regulate and add/remove.

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Katalci
Kismesis
#14 - 2012-06-08 02:49:50 UTC
+1, after the art department is done with spaceships for a while.
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#15 - 2012-06-08 04:25:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
Hmm, maybe caldari (or preferably agllente, since they have dronesa dn alot fo robotics) get some cyberpunky color-schemes, you know? solid black jackets/uniforms with neon/fleurescent light-blue highlights/trim.

also, make them sellable on the market, because heck, even in RL, you can buy Team Jersey's for sports to show your support, or military uniforms at a surplus store (or from a friend)


There's quite a few of us current/former military that have mixed opinions about that last part. I personally think its cheap bull **** that you can get a hold of a set of cammies or dress uniforms without having been enlisted. There are also some major restrictions on what a civilian business' can sell in terms of military uniforms, ex. the real USMC cammies all have the EGA (eagle, globe, and anchor) printed on the inside of the blouse, trowsers, and cover (the hat). It's actually illegal to sell those off base if they have that imprint.

Still, factional warfare related uniforms sounds like a great idea. So, +1 for this.

edit: NVM that last part, didn't read everyone's replies regarding illegal marketing of military uniforms. Still, +1 to FW uniforms though.

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Ayame Yoshida
Republic 1st Fleet
#16 - 2012-06-10 00:24:00 UTC
Yeah I just really hope that, if they do implement it, they make it unique for being in FW. Plus they're more likely to make it if they make them untradeable/added directly to clothing options because it will conflict less with their AUR/NEX sales.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2012-06-10 11:14:24 UTC
Ayame Yoshida wrote:
Yeah I just really hope that, if they do implement it, they make it unique for being in FW. Plus they're more likely to make it if they make them untradeable/added directly to clothing options because it will conflict less with their AUR/NEX sales.



Do you not think that to be a little anti-sandbox? iof a FW guy wants to make some money by selling his shirt, there shouldn't be anything to stop him.

RL laws that only apply in the US really have nothing whatsoever to do with what goes on in new eden.
Dantes Wolf
Interstellar Corporation of Universal Management
#18 - 2012-06-10 11:44:45 UTC
never did FW, but.. why didn't CCP do this themselves..?

+1

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Ayame Yoshida
Republic 1st Fleet
#19 - 2012-06-10 16:18:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ayame Yoshida
Danika Princip wrote:
Ayame Yoshida wrote:
Yeah I just really hope that, if they do implement it, they make it unique for being in FW. Plus they're more likely to make it if they make them untradeable/added directly to clothing options because it will conflict less with their AUR/NEX sales.



Do you not think that to be a little anti-sandbox? iof a FW guy wants to make some money by selling his shirt, there shouldn't be anything to stop him.

RL laws that only apply in the US really have nothing whatsoever to do with what goes on in new eden.


My point was military organisations and the states they belong to often make it so their personnel are identifiable and make it illegal to impersonate them. New Eden has laws, why wouldn't they have one like that?

Edit: A friend of mine managed to sum it up perfectly. There are rules. Just because you are in a corp doesn’t mean you can use that corps assets as you please, the CEO dictates what you may through roles. Just because you are a member of a corp does not mean you can use their POS at will. Militia is essentially Empire owned, which CCP controls. They may dictate what you may and may not do, including trading their uniforms. It is a role you are granted, and that may be taken away.

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Ayame Yoshida
Republic 1st Fleet
#20 - 2012-06-17 20:22:39 UTC
I'm going to give this thread a slight bump since the devblog about the new uniform and NEX releases has sparked ideas for FW exclusive uniforms worn by militia only to create a sense of unity/exclusivity has cropped up in the devblog discussion, which a dev responded to. Hoping they see this and see there is community support for this even from people outside of the FW community.

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