Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i added this thread to my sig... hopefully ccp picks up on it as its epic... though with the new jesus feature enhanced modular poses this might take a while to make its way to eve online...

I think this is great idea

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This is a fantastic idea, OP.

That is in line.

Racial cruiser: rank 5 skill
Advanced Spaceship Command: rank 5 skill

Bump.

For starters, this is a really cool post. I've been waiting to see something like this, and it's really neat that you went to the effort to put this all together. However, I have a few issues I'd like to address.

I'd like to see the other roles of industrials fleshed out more in this ship. It's primarily a mining ship, with almost no focus at all on hauling cargo. It does have an option to use mining foreman links, but there is nothing offering bonuses to salvaging, hacking, or archaeology.

Here's an example of possible options:

Industrial Subsystems:

Freight Storage Optimization - 15% increased cargo capacity per level

Covert Ops Reconfiguration - 30% bonus to mining laser yield and +3500m3 ore hold per level; 99.5% reduction in Cloaking Device CPU use; 90 second cloaking activation delay after deactivation of mining laser(s)

Deep Space Extraction - 7.5% reduction in cycle time of gas miners and deep core mining lasers and +2000m3 ore hold per level

Salvage Operations Reconfiguration - 25% bonus to range and towing speed of tractor beams and 5% bonus to salvager access difficulty per level

Defensive Subsystems:

Adaptive Shielding - 5% bonus to all shield resistances per level

Amplification Node - 10% bonus to shield booster effectiveness per level

Industrial Processor - 5% bonus to effectiveness of mining foreman gang links per level; 99% reduction in CPU need for Gang Link modules

Drone Defense Computer - 10% increase in drone hit points and +15m3 drone bay per level; 10% increase in drone damage when drones attack automatically per level (there is no damage bonus when you tell the drones what to attack)
*drone bay size increase does not correspond to increased bandwidth

Engineering Subsystems:

Fitting Service Adaptation - 5% reduction in capacitor recharge time per level; can fit fitting service module (high slot)
- fitting service module: 10 minute cycle time, ship becomes immobile, consumes liquid ozone, ship has fitting service while module is cycling

Power Core Multiplier - 5% bonus to power output per level

Industrial Field Optimization - 10% reduction in capacitor cost and increased range of mining lasers and gas miners per level

Reserve Power Storage - 5% reduction in capacitor cost of shield boosters and +500m3 capacitor booster charge storage bay per level; -75% powergrid cost to fit capacitor boosters (I imagine this would have much lower powergrid than a normal cruiser--this powergrid cost reduction is aimed at making it reasonable to fit a medium capacitor booster)

Electronic Subsystems:

Scanning Systems Optimization - 5% reduction in cycle time for all scanners per level (includes codebreakers, analyzers, ship scanners, cargo scanners, survey scanners, and the on-board scanner--but not probe scanners or salvagers)

Obfuscation Manifold - 15% bonus to ECM target jammer strength per level

Emergent Locus Analyzer - 10% increase to scan strength of probes per level

CPU Efficiency Gate - 5% increase in ship CPU output per level

Propulsion Subsystems:

Interdiction Nullifier - Immunity to non-targeted interdiction; 850m3 cargohold

Warp Core Magnifier - 10% reduction in penalties for fitting warp core stabilizers per level; +1 warp strength; 2750m3 cargohold

Intercalated Nanofibers – 7.5% increased agility per level; 1875m3 cargohold

Thrust Optimization – 20% bonus to max velocity per level; 50% reduced agility; 50% resistance to stasis webification effect; 3200m3 cargohold

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I've made the choice of propulsion system determine the amount of base cargohold you get, with dramatic differences from one choice to the next. Technically you can fit for a large ore bay as well as a large cargohold, but it's probably only good for mining in highsec. And even then you can't mine quite as fast as a retriever--I reduced the mining output of the mining bonus subsystem. I don't think this should be a fast miner at all, at the fastest it should be close to a retriever but less. (I'm talking about the new upcoming retriever) It's real purpose is not as a mining barge but as a tactical miner.

What's wrong with that? I think of industrial ships as all industry-oriented ships, you know pretty much everything non-combat? There could be a much broader spectrum of exploration-oriented ships, but first CCP would have to make a broad spectrum of exploration.

CCP has classified ALL of the following ships as industrials, and rightfully so, as they are all industry ships:

Industrials

ORE Industrials

ORE Frigates

Mining Barges

Exhumers

Industrial Command Ships

Capital Industrial Ships

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I can agree with that. Calling haulers industrials makes it sound as though industry in EVE is not the fleshed-out world that it is. I think perhaps a long time ago, industry in EVE was much simpler, and maybe the only ships used in industry were industrials and ships that chose to fit mining lasers. And since the latter weren't designed for mining, perhaps they chose to call the haulers industrials because they WERE the industrial ships...back then.

I think making it a mining ship entirely is confining it to less than a tech 3 ship. Strategic cruisers can be fit to use more than one weapon, not just turrets, or just missiles, or just drones. And they aren't always gunboats. Sometimes they take the hits, do covert ops, electronic warfare, or fleet boosts.

It just wouldn't be versatile if it was only a mining ship. In the setup I made, it doesn't have to be much of a hauler. In fact, choosing a large cargohold meant that it was difficult to get away in the event of a sudden threat, meaning it was for ships operating either in high-sec or with fleet support. While I do agree that it should not be a dedicated exploration ship, I don't think I overdid the exploration options. All I did was give it more resource collection options, in fact it doesn't even get access bonuses to analyzers and codebreakers. Strategic cruisers already have probe bonuses, and salvage operations are an intrinsic part of industry.

So I disagree with your points about why my input for the T3 industrial was wrong.

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