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Unfair Moltden Heath LSeC Wardecs

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Ivan Dragovitch
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#121 - 2012-06-17 18:07:21 UTC
I never post on these forums, hell I hardly ever read them because it seems like there's usually more trolling than actual good content. I don't speak for the Uni, I can only share my views of lowsec and the way the fights have progressed.

We have a large number of people in Heild, that's true. We didn't come down with a small nomadic gang. In the numbers we brought though, the new inexperienced players (like me) greatly outnumber the veteran players. I've been playing the game for about a month and a half now. The things I've yet to learn could fill a bookshelf. I tried mining, hated it. I still run missions now and then, but it's just rinse and repeat, no real strategy. I decided to come down to the lowsec camp, and once I got a taste of pvp, I found where the true fun in this game is for me.

Having said that, there are a lot of people just like me in camp. New, inexperienced people that absolutely love fighting, even though we really don't know what we're doing yet. When someone calls out they've been engaged, I wanna go play too, and you end up getting blobbed. I've been in on some kills, and had a few ships sent off to meet Jesus. Last night I was making a few bookmarks around the station when I watched as a drake lit a cyno and about a dozen ships dropped on our doorstep and started wrecking shop. It was the first time I'd seen that tactic used, and it was amazing. I learned, and that's why I'm here.

Like I said I can't speak for Uni, and the management might have a totally different view than I do. I love the fights. I want to learn, and improve. So the forever-ever wars don't bother me. See you guys around MH. And when you blow me up, don't hesitate to tell me what I could have done better. Oh, and let someone salvage my shoes from my smoldering wreck. Those things were expensive.
Kristan Konraden
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#122 - 2012-06-17 18:07:33 UTC
Ueberlisk wrote:
I, King of Oddelulf cannot watch silently as these arrogant infidels write bad things about our beloved region and all the cool people living in it. This can only be counted as war declaration against all of molden heath and If war is what E-UNI wants, then war is what E-UNI shall have! no quarter will be given! E-UNI shall feel the wrath of TL carebear division in very near future.


THE KING IN THE SOUTH!
Mane Frehm
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#123 - 2012-06-17 18:15:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mane Frehm
An excellent summary by Kaeda at http://kaedamaxwell.blogspot.nl/2012/06/war-with-bureacracy-of-scholars.html. For those who missed it in Kaedas post a few pages back, I'd suggest you read it.


EVE Uni has been an institution in EVE for a long time, and it does many good things in teaching players the basics. However the reality is that its efforts to teach players PvP have been woeful at best. Worse yet, the culture of EVE Uni's leadership is increasingly one of arrogance and entitlement - "we do things our way and if you don't like it we'll just bring the blob".

Lets go back to first principles. "EVE University is a neutral, non-profit training corporation in EVE Online that exists to train new players in the basics of life in New Eden." If basic PvP is one of those basics of life, then Eve Uni should be looking for intelligent ways to make that happen.

Our corporation and alliance members have regularly encountered Eve Uni groups before this current debacle, and we have offered fights and usually been willing to take agression etc if the numbers werent too out of whack. Some fights have happened, but they are occasional affairs with little opportunity for discussion and learning by the EVE Uni pilots. We've offered to set up regular fights in null-sec so as to avoid the annoyance of agression mechanics (it's not the gate guns; its the bloody sec status hit for killing a group of frigates), but EVE Uni has never expressed any interest in what would be a great learning opportunity.

Fast forward to the current situation. Molden Heath could have been a great place for that learning to happen. Small gang PvP can be found on a regular basis, and most folks are here for the good fights. How did Eve Uni take advantage of this opportunity? They did little to no research about the current environment and inhabitants, and just dropped their lo-sec camp into place. When outnumbered locals wardecced EVE Uni to level the playing field, the EVE Uni response was clear and dismissive - "we will blob you; we will camp you in; we will enforce our will on you". BTW, while the original post might be a troll, the attitude expressed is alive and well in EVE Uni.

From the TEXN/Capital Punishment perspective, when we heard EVE Uni had moved in we thought "ok - more targets; more good fights". When we heard how things were playing out and that EVE Uni had threatened to bring the blob, our leadership response was unanimous - hence our own wardec of EVE Uni. And here we are.

I strongly suggest that EVE Uni's leadership take a deep breath and think about their responsibility to their members. If they truly want to help their members learn PvP (IMHO the best part of EVE), they should ask us and others in Molden Heath what could be done and how best to make it happen. I know I'd be willing to help...and no, I'm not overly altruistic. We too need new members and new blood on a regular basis; why not give an opportunity to those in EVE Uni who have learned some PvP and delveloped a thirst for more.


tl;dr - get a clue EVE Uni leadership. If you want to teach PvP, find a way to do it right. Think of your members, not of yourselves.
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#124 - 2012-06-17 18:27:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Firebolt145
Ivan Dragovitch wrote:
I never post on these forums, hell I hardly ever read them because it seems like there's usually more trolling than actual good content. I don't speak for the Uni, I can only share my views of lowsec and the way the fights have progressed.

We have a large number of people in Heild, that's true. We didn't come down with a small nomadic gang. In the numbers we brought though, the new inexperienced players (like me) greatly outnumber the veteran players. I've been playing the game for about a month and a half now. The things I've yet to learn could fill a bookshelf. I tried mining, hated it. I still run missions now and then, but it's just rinse and repeat, no real strategy. I decided to come down to the lowsec camp, and once I got a taste of pvp, I found where the true fun in this game is for me.

Having said that, there are a lot of people just like me in camp. New, inexperienced people that absolutely love fighting, even though we really don't know what we're doing yet. When someone calls out they've been engaged, I wanna go play too, and you end up getting blobbed. I've been in on some kills, and had a few ships sent off to meet Jesus. Last night I was making a few bookmarks around the station when I watched as a drake lit a cyno and about a dozen ships dropped on our doorstep and started wrecking shop. It was the first time I'd seen that tactic used, and it was amazing. I learned, and that's why I'm here.

Like I said I can't speak for Uni, and the management might have a totally different view than I do. I love the fights. I want to learn, and improve. So the forever-ever wars don't bother me. See you guys around MH. And when you blow me up, don't hesitate to tell me what I could have done better. Oh, and let someone salvage my shoes from my smoldering wreck. Those things were expensive.

See, here lies the problem. You've brought a group of 80+ new and naive newbies to this base. Lo and behold, whenever someone finds a target, 50 of you undock your tackle ships and blackbirds and kitchen sinks and flock to the target. Or you camp the gate with 5 blackbirds and 20 other ships and cheer whenever you get the kill.

That stuff gets boring REALLY fast. It is not a test of skill, it is not a taste of true EVE PvP, where your individual decision making matters. What decisions do you have to make in the PvP EUni has engaged in recently? Currently your PvP experience is limited to 'undock everything, fly at target, point him and shoot guns'. Hooray. Exciting the first 5 times, not so much after that.

This is simply a shortcoming of the way you guys have set up shop in Heild. You have no plan other than undocking 50 ships and shooting stuff. In doing so you have ruined the beautiful atmosphere and regular PvP that goes on in and Heild.

As I highlighted in my previous post, I can think of two ways to fix this.
1) Get most of yourselves out of Heild, leaving behind a small contingency of 20 or so people, perhaps 15 newbies and 5 experienced leaders. You can rotate these pilots weekly. These 20 people can become part of the surrounding community, with regular frigate PvP or proper small gang PvP where every individual pilot's decision matters.
2) Agree terms of engagement. If you see a hurricane on dscan, don't tell everyone to undock. Instead specify that the first 3 X's in alliance chat will be able to join you in a fleet to try and engage. Limit the number of ECM ships you bring. If that hurricane has 10 backup ships, ask for 15 more X's in alliance chat. If that hurricane lights a cyno and drops 3 carriers on you (lol quam), THEN undock the kitchen sink on them.

I haven't even put much thought into these two fixes but they are already infinitely better than the situation we are in right now.
Saesra Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#125 - 2012-06-17 18:31:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Saesra Virpio
Mane Frehm wrote:
An excellent summary by Kaeda at http://kaedamaxwell.blogspot.nl/2012/06/war-with-bureacracy-of-scholars.html. For those who missed it in Kaedas post a few pages back, I'd suggest you read it.


EVE Uni has been an institution in EVE for a long time, and it does many good things in teaching players the basics. However the reality is that its efforts to teach players PvP have been woeful at best. Worse yet, the culture of EVE Uni's leadership is increasingly one of arrogance and entitlement - "we do things our way and if you don't like it we'll just bring the blob".

Lets go back to first principles. "EVE University is a neutral, non-profit training corporation in EVE Online that exists to train new players in the basics of life in New Eden." If basic PvP is one of those basics of life, then Eve Uni should be looking for intelligent ways to make that happen.

Our corporation and alliance members have regularly encountered Eve Uni groups before this current debacle, and we have offered fights and usually been willing to take agression etc if the numbers werent too out of whack. Some fights have happened, but they are occasional affairs with little opportunity for discussion and learning by the EVE Uni pilots. We've offered to set up regular fights in null-sec so as to avoid the annoyance of agression mechanics (it's not the gate guns; its the bloody sec status hit for killing a group of frigates), but EVE Uni has never expressed any interest in what would be a great learning opportunity.

Fast forward to the current situation. Molden Heath could have been a great place for that learning to happen. Small gang PvP can be found on a regular basis, and most folks are here for the good fights. How did Eve Uni take advantage of this opportunity? They did little to no research about the current environment and inhabitants, and just dropped their lo-sec camp into place. When outnumbered locals wardecced EVE Uni to level the playing field, the EVE Uni response was clear and dismissive - "we will blob you; we will camp you in; we will enforce our will on you". BTW, while the original post might be a troll, the attitude expressed is alive and well in EVE Uni.

From the TEXN/Capital Punishment perspective, when we heard EVE Uni had moved in we thought "ok - more targets; more good fights". When we heard how things were playing out and that EVE Uni had threatened to bring the blob, our leadership response was unanimous - hence our own wardec of EVE Uni. And here we are.

I strongly suggest that EVE Uni's leadership take a deep breath and think about their responsibility to their members. If they truly want to help their members learn PvP (IMHO the best part of EVE), they should ask us and others in Molden Heath what could be done and how best to make it happen. I know I'd be willing to help...and no, I'm not overly altruistic. We too need new members and new blood on a regular basis; why not give an opportunity to those in EVE Uni who have learned some PvP and delveloped a thirst for more.


tl;dr - get a clue EVE Uni leadership. If you want to teach PvP, find a way to do it right. Think of your members, not of yourselves.


Firebolt145 wrote:

See, here lies the problem. You've brought a group of 80+ new and naive newbies to this base. Lo and behold, whenever someone finds a target, 50 of you undock your tackle ships and blackbirds and kitchen sinks and flock to the target. Or you camp the gate with 5 blackbirds and 20 other ships and cheer whenever you get the kill.


I'd say it's less the way they decided to operate in low-sec, and more the fact that in an organization of over 2500 and the only reliable method of PvP being the low-sec camp... you're going to end up with a very large amount of people down in Heild.

The only way I can see them maintaining a camp in low-sec is if they drastically changed their policies, because wardeccing is the only way to get rid of the awful restrictions of low-sec (yes, you can tell I live in null), and their policy of "blueing" anyone who decs them is just going to ruin any teaching experience that low-sec living could bring. I don't see that happening anytime soon, so going back to my earlier post I can see them simply disbanding their LSC with the current wardec mechanics.
CraftyCroc
Fraternity Alliance Please Ignore
#126 - 2012-06-17 18:53:35 UTC
Saesra Virpio wrote:
Mane Frehm wrote:
An excellent summary by Kaeda at http://kaedamaxwell.blogspot.nl/2012/06/war-with-bureacracy-of-scholars.html. For those who missed it in Kaedas post a few pages back, I'd suggest you read it.


EVE Uni has been an institution in EVE for a long time, and it does many good things in teaching players the basics. However the reality is that its efforts to teach players PvP have been woeful at best. Worse yet, the culture of EVE Uni's leadership is increasingly one of arrogance and entitlement - "we do things our way and if you don't like it we'll just bring the blob".

Lets go back to first principles. "EVE University is a neutral, non-profit training corporation in EVE Online that exists to train new players in the basics of life in New Eden." If basic PvP is one of those basics of life, then Eve Uni should be looking for intelligent ways to make that happen.

Our corporation and alliance members have regularly encountered Eve Uni groups before this current debacle, and we have offered fights and usually been willing to take agression etc if the numbers werent too out of whack. Some fights have happened, but they are occasional affairs with little opportunity for discussion and learning by the EVE Uni pilots. We've offered to set up regular fights in null-sec so as to avoid the annoyance of agression mechanics (it's not the gate guns; its the bloody sec status hit for killing a group of frigates), but EVE Uni has never expressed any interest in what would be a great learning opportunity.

Fast forward to the current situation. Molden Heath could have been a great place for that learning to happen. Small gang PvP can be found on a regular basis, and most folks are here for the good fights. How did Eve Uni take advantage of this opportunity? They did little to no research about the current environment and inhabitants, and just dropped their lo-sec camp into place. When outnumbered locals wardecced EVE Uni to level the playing field, the EVE Uni response was clear and dismissive - "we will blob you; we will camp you in; we will enforce our will on you". BTW, while the original post might be a troll, the attitude expressed is alive and well in EVE Uni.

From the TEXN/Capital Punishment perspective, when we heard EVE Uni had moved in we thought "ok - more targets; more good fights". When we heard how things were playing out and that EVE Uni had threatened to bring the blob, our leadership response was unanimous - hence our own wardec of EVE Uni. And here we are.

I strongly suggest that EVE Uni's leadership take a deep breath and think about their responsibility to their members. If they truly want to help their members learn PvP (IMHO the best part of EVE), they should ask us and others in Molden Heath what could be done and how best to make it happen. I know I'd be willing to help...and no, I'm not overly altruistic. We too need new members and new blood on a regular basis; why not give an opportunity to those in EVE Uni who have learned some PvP and delveloped a thirst for more.


tl;dr - get a clue EVE Uni leadership. If you want to teach PvP, find a way to do it right. Think of your members, not of yourselves.


Firebolt145 wrote:

See, here lies the problem. You've brought a group of 80+ new and naive newbies to this base. Lo and behold, whenever someone finds a target, 50 of you undock your tackle ships and blackbirds and kitchen sinks and flock to the target. Or you camp the gate with 5 blackbirds and 20 other ships and cheer whenever you get the kill.


I'd say it's less the way they decided to operate in low-sec, and more the fact that in an organization of over 2500 and the only reliable method of PvP being the low-sec camp... you're going to end up with a very large amount of people down in Heild.

The only way I can see them maintaining a camp in low-sec is if they drastically changed their policies, because wardeccing is the only way to get rid of the awful restrictions of low-sec (yes, you can tell I live in null), and their policy of "blueing" anyone who decs them is just going to ruin any teaching experience that low-sec living could bring. I don't see that happening anytime soon, so going back to my earlier post I can see them simply disbanding their LSC with the current wardec mechanics.


Most of us in MH think the uni could live peacefully in the Heath. I've told the uni management I think the idea of eve uni is good but they need to start teaching in small gangs. A blob is a blob is a blob no matter what way you look at it - no one learns anything except locking to shoot.

But.. Tbfh i'm not complaining about the blob. Nor am I complaining about the ECM... Blackbirds still die. I feel a little sorry for the unis forced to dock/not speak in local but other than that - war is still gf.
CW Itovuo
The Executioners
#127 - 2012-06-17 18:54:10 UTC  |  Edited by: CW Itovuo
Wolf Mudchewer wrote:


...high pitch noise deleted...

For the greater good of eve and the game we all love. We must not let these idiots win. They spam local with images not fit for my daughter to see. They are vulgar in chats and diplomacy is something they can not comprend even though they claim that title in their very name. Pilots like CraftingCroc and Sard Caid should be people to look up to in the greater community. Frankly looking in at the chat logs from the outside it is quiet discusting.

Remember this wardec is going to be watched by the HOLE OF EVE. Eyes are on you. Do you want to be known as childish griefers or will you do the honorable thing and stop this embarrassing saga.


Wolf.







I'd like to offer my sincerest apologies for posting picutres in local. I was unaware of EU's aversion to pictues of p_ssy. I've always found pictures of Felines seeking cheeseburgers to be LOL, but clearly I failed to account for the sensitivities of others.


Given that you had two battleships, one t3 BC, plus 18 others in system yesterday evening, we @ TEXN felt a bit cheated when you turtled up against our 7 man drake fleet.. We came for a fight,but had to settle for a LOLpic.


http://tinyurl.com/inadequate-cat


Please forward all psychiatric expenses to TEXN for immediate reimbursement.


Thank you, and remember:
Fly Smart, Fly Safe, Fly Brutix !!1!
Tuskajuna
nahkajana
#128 - 2012-06-17 19:05:47 UTC
NC. supers reporting for war against e-uni.Pirate
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#129 - 2012-06-17 19:44:16 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/kWNxn.png

This is a joke. And don't say 'this is because of the war' - it was pretty much the exact same before this.
CW Itovuo
The Executioners
#130 - 2012-06-17 19:45:05 UTC
Ivan Dragovitch wrote:
... We have a large number of people in Heild, that's true. We didn't come down with a small nomadic gang. In the numbers we brought though, the new inexperienced players (like me) greatly outnumber the veteran players. I've been playing the game for about a month and a half now. The things I've yet to learn could fill a bookshelf. I tried mining, hated it. I still run missions now and then, but it's just rinse and repeat, no real strategy. I decided to come down to the lowsec camp, and once I got a taste of pvp, I found where the true fun in this game is for me. .



I have you on video Ivan Dragovitch.... while a 6-week noob can certainly fly a Raven, low sec is not the place for it.
Saesra Virpio
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#131 - 2012-06-17 19:50:01 UTC
Firebolt145 wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/kWNxn.png

This is a joke. And don't say 'this is because of the war' - it was pretty much the exact same before this.


2500+ people, Heild is the only area for "organized" PvP =P
Ettick Breidablik
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2012-06-17 19:56:45 UTC
Ueberlisk wrote:
I, King of Oddelulf cannot watch silently as these arrogant infidels write bad things about our beloved region and all the cool people living in it. This can only be counted as war declaration against all of molden heath and If war is what E-UNI wants, then war is what E-UNI shall have! no quarter will be given! E-UNI shall feel the wrath of TL carebear division in very near future.

THE KING IN THE SOUTH!
Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#133 - 2012-06-17 20:04:10 UTC
Ettick Breidablik wrote:
Ueberlisk wrote:
I, King of Oddelulf cannot watch silently as these arrogant infidels write bad things about our beloved region and all the cool people living in it. This can only be counted as war declaration against all of molden heath and If war is what E-UNI wants, then war is what E-UNI shall have! no quarter will be given! E-UNI shall feel the wrath of TL carebear division in very near future.

THE KING IN THE SOUTH!

HTUOS EHT NI GNIK EHT
Ivan Dragovitch
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#134 - 2012-06-17 20:08:59 UTC
CW Itovuo wrote:
Ivan Dragovitch wrote:
... We have a large number of people in Heild, that's true. We didn't come down with a small nomadic gang. In the numbers we brought though, the new inexperienced players (like me) greatly outnumber the veteran players. I've been playing the game for about a month and a half now. The things I've yet to learn could fill a bookshelf. I tried mining, hated it. I still run missions now and then, but it's just rinse and repeat, no real strategy. I decided to come down to the lowsec camp, and once I got a taste of pvp, I found where the true fun in this game is for me. .



I have you on video Ivan Dragovitch.... while a 6-week noob can certainly fly a Raven, low sec is not the place for it.



You're probably very right. I'm learning it's not great for PvP, especially with my limited skills. Another thing learned, thanks.
Elena Cornelia
Fairly Romantic
#135 - 2012-06-17 20:22:33 UTC
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Ettick Breidablik wrote:
Ueberlisk wrote:
I, King of Oddelulf cannot watch silently as these arrogant infidels write bad things about our beloved region and all the cool people living in it. This can only be counted as war declaration against all of molden heath and If war is what E-UNI wants, then war is what E-UNI shall have! no quarter will be given! E-UNI shall feel the wrath of TL carebear division in very near future.

THE KING IN THE SOUTH!

HTUOS EHT NI GNIK EHT


THE KING IN THE SOUTH!
Male Duckface
Greater Order Of Destruction
#136 - 2012-06-17 20:45:41 UTC
Since my last post I have been banned from the EVE Uni forums and Unistas are starting to turn on me. I guess it's bad to state interest in declaring war instead of just dropping the surprise bomb but there are still people in this game that enjoy "good fights" because they are fun and interesting and don't take everything personally. Hopefully in the future I will be allowed to teach the class I have spent several hours so far preparing material for?

Kelduum Revaan wrote:
Small tip, and I'd have expected Mr Duckface to have realised this as he's ex-Uni himself, but the member's don't have anything to do with setting policies, the SOP, or what gets chosen as a target.

Of course they don't. Why do you think I left? The Uni's SOP is a good attempt to keep the killboard clean and eliminate opponents' skill edge, but in a corp with 2500+ pilots, there are going to be plenty of people who don't know or don't care about rules.

Kelduum Revaan wrote:
If anything, those who lose stuff foolishly will learn from the mistakes, or they will ragequit, or we eventually kick them out for being stupid. It doesn't matter to any of the staff or management, and if anything gives the others more reasons to fight harder.

Seeing easily preventable losses on the killboard is detrimental to morale even to the players that understand killboard statistics are meaningless.

Ivan Dragovitch wrote:
Like I said I can't speak for Uni, and the management might have a totally different view than I do. I love the fights. I want to learn, and improve. So the forever-ever wars don't bother me. See you guys around MH. And when you blow me up, don't hesitate to tell me what I could have done better. Oh, and let someone salvage my shoes from my smoldering wreck. Those things were expensive.


Glad to hear that you are enjoying the Uni PVP experience. It is great and allows you to try any combat role you want. With the mentality you have I'm sure you'll get really good very quickly. Just remember to start looking for a PVP corp once you plateau.

If you want to take the Uni's blob head on you'll need some sort of edge. Fielding a strong RR Domi doctrine like Gunpoint tried is a good start but the problem with that is that the University isn't interested in good fights and will wait until they are confident they have the upper hand with numbers and EWar to engage. Skirmish boosts with nano drakes or some other mobile ship types are very strong against the Uniblob because it allows you to swat tacklers very effectively and they aren't typically able to field enough snipers or recons to do much against it.

Take a lesson from the Viet Cong or al-Qaeda and engage in guerrilla warfare. When the Uni's Low Sec Camp was in Hagilur the Space P0lice successfully fielded quite a few doctrines that won on ISK efficiency, kill-to-death ratio, and struck serious blows to morale. Thrashers and Catalysts are effective ships that punch way above their weight class and are quick to get in and out. Find a valuable target and strike. Fast tackle interceptors can lock down a target while t3 sniper BCs come in at range and blap it down with minimal risk. Thoraxes, Ruptures, Omens, and other cruisers bring an okay buffer and damage to a fight while allowing you to field a flight of ECM drones.

EVE is not fair. The Uni wants to win. ECM is ridiculously strong and they would be foolish not to take advantage of it. I had a great experience in the Uni as I learned so much and met a bunch of great people. In the future I will likely continue recommending EVE University to newer players on Reddit. But the low sec camp will never tell people they can't join a battle to make it more interesting. Rarely will people be asked to ship down to get a fight in the first place. If you have a cool fight on your hands and ask people to hold aggression so it stays fun and your killmails aren't garbage, it will never happen. When I left the Uni 6 weeks ago I had no idea how to play the damage dealing role as most fights are over as soon as hard tackle is called and the blob moves in. These things aren't going to change. If you want to restore Molden to its rightful state as a haven for solo and small gang PVP it's going to be a fierce war vs a tough opponent.

My apologies for blobbing you all with a text wall but I associate strongly with both sides. In the end I'm voting Caid/Bull 2012 just as I gave both my CSM votes to Dr. Jagerblitzen. May good fights prevail and fly smart.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#137 - 2012-06-17 21:12:42 UTC
Male Duckface wrote:
Seeing easily preventable losses on the killboard is detrimental to morale even to the players that understand killboard statistics are meaningless.


Does it now? Please tell me more of how this happens.

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Male Duckface
Greater Order Of Destruction
#138 - 2012-06-17 21:27:55 UTC
Some PVPers care about KB stats. A dumb carebear loses something shiny in hisec violating the WSOP. Invariably one of the PVPers notice the loss and link it in fleet or one of the PVP hangout channels. Even if it's not on the war campaign KB statistics some people find it disheartening that the corporation they associate with and emotionally invest in has other members that are throwing away nice ships because they lack common sense.
DARKSTAR POWNYOUALL
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#139 - 2012-06-17 21:46:38 UTC
MY NAME IS DARKSTAR AND IM GOING TO MOVE BACK TO BOSENA AND SET UP A VERBAL GATECAMP IN BOSENA.

I DARE ANY E-UNISTA TO EVEN TRY TO MAKE IT THROUGH BOSENA / HEILD GATE WITHOUT BEING CAUGHT BY MY INSTATROLLING FIRETAIL
Groggolog
Blades of Liberty
#140 - 2012-06-17 22:01:36 UTC
my god e-uni management is stupid for the most part, darian seems like one of the few pilots in your alliance with sense. this is your LOW SEC CAMP, you should be teaching or at least attempting to be teaching freaking low sec tactics here, small gang, 10 at most, or solo. with smaller faster ships. your pilots should be ROAMING, not waiting for one of the few pilots that has already learnt stuff to do all the hard work tackling.