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@CCP : Do not cave in to Goons on Inferno 1.1

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#21 - 2012-06-17 09:11:51 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
wait so did mittani seduce CCP into implementing Inferno 1.0 like Grumpy Owly says or did he seduce them into rolling it back like OP says, I'm having trouble keeping my highsec mongoloid babble straight


And in truth you shouldn't have to. Some people have spent the last few days going on about their baseless accusations, creating rich tapestries of conjecture and conspiracy. But instead of taking their accusations to the right people that can do anything about their claims they just spam GD with another "Goons R Bad" thread.

This is not the forum for your accusations of malfeasance and the seedy underworld of Eve. If you have proof (a concept that is oft difficult for some) of wrongdoing in the ranks of CCP and their developers relationships with any alliance take it to Internal Affairs and stop recycling post after post of this **** here.

On another note, I think I'll have to sacrifice some of my tank to get that DPS out of the T2 Launchers. I prefer the overpowered tank but it is just taking too long to complete the missions. But it's got a really good tank so i should be able to play around with it and come up with a nice balance.

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Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-06-17 09:14:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:


Were you there? Did you witness any of this yourself first hand, or are you repeating the nonsense of others?


The Mittani wrote:
The CSM is not about spreadsheets. The CSM is about persuasion, deal-cutting, and political nuance. It is not a job for a saint, someone on the autism spectrum, or someone who doesn’t understand why a quiet word in a dev’s ear after a night out drinking is more effective than days of formalized conferences. If you want to get things done, you must be able to read body language, understand how CCP itself works as a business, and determine who the most influential people at the company are. Over the last year I’ve repeatedly proven that I have what it takes to lead, where so many others have failed before.



I'm not asking you to regurgitate what is clearly political campaign material, I am asking if you were there.


No I wasn't there, but there again, I'm "NOT" claiming to believe or attempting to prove that any "special" relationship of corruption actually exists either. I'm merely objectively stating how GSF promoted their influence in response to a comment.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#23 - 2012-06-17 09:14:56 UTC
The tinfoilhattery of the OP would have made sense if GSF was a merc alliance and lived in high sec. As it stands, the changes to wars in 1.0 were beneficial to any null sec power bloc that went cruisin' for a bruisin' into Jita(except TEST). No one in high sec is anywhere near as organized, has the amount of members or isk to do anything other than be cannon fodder.

CCP is definitely influenced by large alliances. They'd damn well better be. It's what makes Eve unique. But this specific case just goes to show how absolutely ******** your general whistleblower gets.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2012-06-17 09:16:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Grumpy Owly wrote:
I'm merely subjectively stating how The Mittani promoted his influence in response to a comment.


fixed that for you!

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#25 - 2012-06-17 09:19:21 UTC
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:


Were you there? Did you witness any of this yourself first hand, or are you repeating the nonsense of others?


The Mittani wrote:
The CSM is not about spreadsheets. The CSM is about persuasion, deal-cutting, and political nuance. It is not a job for a saint, someone on the autism spectrum, or someone who doesn’t understand why a quiet word in a dev’s ear after a night out drinking is more effective than days of formalized conferences. If you want to get things done, you must be able to read body language, understand how CCP itself works as a business, and determine who the most influential people at the company are. Over the last year I’ve repeatedly proven that I have what it takes to lead, where so many others have failed before.



I'm not asking you to regurgitate what is clearly political campaign material, I am asking if you were there.


No I wasn't there, but there again, I'm "NOT" claiming to believe or attempting to prove that any "special" relationship of corruption actually exists either. I'm merely objectively stating how GSF promoted their influence in response to a comment.


Objectivity does not appear to be your strong suit. Mittens was promoting himself, not the GSF. Again, try using your OWN words to make sentences and stop using the crap that the tinfoil hat brigade regurgitate.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-06-17 09:22:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpy Owly
Richard Desturned wrote:
Grumpy Owly wrote:
I'm merely objectively stating how The Mittani promoted his influence in response to a comment.


fixed that for you!


I'll accept that as fact, but rightly, wrongly or whatever Mittens political message was supported by GSF members during the CSM 7 campaigning.

However, I'm perfectly happy to say that support from members to their political leaders is likey to be expected and not ultimatley the opinion of all members of GSF.

Either way, I personally dont believe any untoward special relationship of corruption exists between GSF and CCP.
Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-06-17 09:27:41 UTC
The only thing that bugs me about the new wardec system is that it makes my eve mail icon blink more then before. But I did get a bit of a chuckle thinking these guys would be locked into a forever war.

Other than that, I still could not care less about wardecs. They have zero importance to people based in nullsec as we basically live in a state of forever war with any one that happens by.

It sure as hell isn't goons crying about the possibility of being shot on sight at any moment.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-06-17 09:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Degren
Sometimes

Not often, but sometimes

I wish the world was based on a meritocracy, right down to the 'voters'

(Spoilers: I'm suggesting you're pretty dumb, op...but at least super funny, can't even tell when someone is giving you a gift)

Hello, hello again.

Virginia Virdana
RSM Inc
#29 - 2012-06-17 10:34:00 UTC
Whilst I full understand the need to tweak the wardec system to prevent unwanted foreverwars, I did like the idea of the Goons being ongoing legitimate targets in hisec that you could fire on without risking concordokken.

Posts in this thread (and elsewhere) indicate that the Goons also seem to think that this would be good for them, giving them unlimited (legitimate) targets wherever.

I have also seen that moon goo brings in more iskies for them than I will ever see in 10 thousand lifetimes. This made me wonder if the following is possible:


  1. We form an overarching hisec alliance that anyone who wants to shoot goons can join
  2. Goons wardec that alliance using their huge amounts of isk
  3. Lots of explosions


This gives the happy balance of slightly more consensual pvp, lots of targets, and the chance for smaller corps to have a go at goons without the inevitable journey to null and instant explosion that would result.

Is this vaguely sensible, or have I missed something fundamental?
They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.   You appear to have come armed with a spoon.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-06-17 10:35:46 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Posting in yet another "Gewns R Bad" thread. Honestly, are we so bored in high sec that all we have to talk about is GSF?

I recently finished Cruise Missile V and did Cruise Missile Specialization to II, put on 6 Cruise Missile Launcher IIs and did a mission and it seems like I am doing a lot less DPS. This seemed odd to me. I guess I will have to tinker with the fitting.

In other news, this thread sucks.

Cruises are pretty much terrible in general. Much like this thread.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-06-17 10:41:47 UTC
Shepard Wong Ogeko wrote:
The only thing that bugs me about the new wardec system is that it makes my eve mail icon blink more then before. But I did get a bit of a chuckle thinking these guys would be locked into a forever war.

Other than that, I still could not care less about wardecs. They have zero importance to people based in nullsec as we basically live in a state of forever war with any one that happens by.

It sure as hell isn't goons crying about the possibility of being shot on sight at any moment.

I've had corpmates ask on more than one occasion how to change a setting so that they didn't have to get a notification every time a 1-man bandwagon corp jumps on one of our current wardecs. True story.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2012-06-17 10:43:40 UTC
Virginia Virdana wrote:
without the inevitable journey to null and instant explosion that would result.

You might find 1-2 goons who actively enjoy playing dock/undock games with high sec pubbies.
Josef Djugashvilis
#33 - 2012-06-17 12:09:18 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:

"The sad fact is that there seem to be ever increasing numbers of self appointed internet idiots"

My dear fellow, you should know that self praise is no praise.

This is not a signature.

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#34 - 2012-06-17 12:16:09 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
I love how highsec players are totally willing to make highsec worse if they think it'll finally make goons mad somehow


How on earth does having a genuinely dynamic system of wardec escalation (ie Inferno 1.0) make hisec "worse" ... that comment you made makes no actual sense.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-06-17 12:26:11 UTC
So I was talking with the other highsec war goons and we both agrees that we don't care about the changes either way.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#36 - 2012-06-17 12:32:02 UTC
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
So I was talking with the other highsec war goons and we both agrees that we don't care about the changes either way.


Yeah right, a couple of years ago the same thing happened to me. The inland revenue made an error and sent me £6000 in refunded overpaid tax. I was like "I don't care, doesn't mean anything to me, I can live with it or without it (goes and buys a new computer, collection of airsoft guns, 100 books off amazon etc etc.)

Unfortunately six months later they wrote to me again and said their mistake had been a mistake and they wanted the money back. I tried to explain how I didn't care about the money so much that I'd spent it all but the unkind lady at the tax offense said she'd send me to the tower of london unless I paid back every penny Cry

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom

Ocular Shadows
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-06-17 13:29:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ocular Shadows
Jade Constantine wrote:
Doctor Benway Kado wrote:
So I was talking with the other highsec war goons and we both agrees that we don't care about the changes either way.


Yeah right, a couple of years ago the same thing happened to me. The inland revenue made an error and sent me £6000 in refunded overpaid tax. I was like "I don't care, doesn't mean anything to me, I can live with it or without it (goes and buys a new computer, collection of airsoft guns, 100 books off amazon etc etc.)

Unfortunately six months later they wrote to me again and said their mistake had been a mistake and they wanted the money back. I tried to explain how I didn't care about the money so much that I'd spent it all but the unkind lady at the tax offense said she'd send me to the tower of london unless I paid back every penny Cry



I've wondered for years, just what kind of crazy causes someone to post like this. Most analogies on the Internet are bad, but this one doesn't even make sense by any of the twisted logic standards. I just can't make the connection between your post and the fact I can go into hisec and shoot people without being blown up by the po-po.

Your posting reminds me of this one time I worked at a summer day camp helping underprivileged kids as part of the free lunch program. We played kickball all the time; the kids we're a lot of fun to mentor. Then I moved away and couldn't help any more. Sad
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-06-17 13:45:24 UTC
I think the funniest thing is that apparently Jade never heard that joke before.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#39 - 2012-06-17 13:47:37 UTC
Zelda Wei wrote:
To rush to judgement


how deliciously ironic
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#40 - 2012-06-17 13:48:19 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
If you believed these boards, you'd think EVE lived and died around Goonswarm.

The funny part being that the Goons don't promote this idea at all.


This is a natural consequence of the Goonswarm need to dominate the forums. People are going to assume this. When you are an attention whore then people figure you will whore for a lot of other things too.