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Hulkageddon Infinity is a failure
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Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#1 - 2012-06-12 14:32:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenchi Sal
It would seem Hulkageddon Infinity is a failure. Every where I go, I see exhumers again. All the ice fields are being populated, the asteroid belts are being eaten if not already eaten. The miners are back out in almost full force. Life is returning back to the ocean.

The goon's failed to realize that an event is only fun when its an actual event. When it becomes "permanent" its no longer really a special event. It becomes part of the same old system, and like all of the same old systems, it gets boring after a while.

I for one am glad to see miners back out. It means cheaper ships for everyone else. Well at the expense of lower profits for the miners.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#2 - 2012-06-12 15:55:20 UTC
When CCP removed insurance payouts to gankers, the reduction in ganking was quite small. All the gankers said it was mostly irrelevant. Now the Goons effectively add back in the insurance payout, 10 million per gank, but only to the ganker who gets the kill. The result? Quite small. If the removal of a payout does nothing, its return should be expected to do nothing as well.

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Gunny Sack
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-12 19:42:51 UTC
Alyssa SaintCroix
Leihkasse Stammheim
#4 - 2012-06-12 21:52:09 UTC
It's difficult to keep such an event going in the long term. In the short term it's great and it'll draw a crowd. Over the course of months it'll be nothing but those that really enjoy ganking and would do it even without the event and it's payouts. So while Hulkageddon is running all the time, you'll probably only see the devout few involved and not the bulk, which is good I guess -- for both those paying out the funds and those that want to mine.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-06-12 23:12:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Tenchi Sal wrote:
It would seem Hulkageddon Infinity is a failure. Every where I go, I see exhumers again. All the ice fields are being populated, the asteroid belts are being eaten if not already eaten. The miners are back out in almost full force. Life is returning back to the ocean.

The goon's failed to realize that an event only fun when its an actual event. When it becomes "permanent" its no longer really a special event. It becomes part of the same old system, and like all of the same old systems, it gets boring after a while.

I for one am glad to see miners back out. It means cheaper ships for everyone else. Well at the expense of lower profits for the miners.



I said as much the day Mitt-ens made the annoucement. If hulkageddon was already a yawn-fest after a month, how much worse would a year round hulkageddon "emerging game play" effort become.

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qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-06-13 02:51:21 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Tenchi Sal wrote:
It would seem Hulkageddon Infinity is a failure. Every where I go, I see exhumers again. All the ice fields are being populated, the asteroid belts are being eaten if not already eaten. The miners are back out in almost full force. Life is returning back to the ocean.

The goon's failed to realize that an event only fun when its an actual event. When it becomes "permanent" its no longer really a special event. It becomes part of the same old system, and like all of the same old systems, it gets boring after a while.

I for one am glad to see miners back out. It means cheaper ships for everyone else. Well at the expense of lower profits for the miners.



I said as much the day Mitt-ens made the annoucement. If hulkageddon was already a yawn-fest after a month, how much worse would a year round hulkageddon "emerging game play" effort become.


There are no active hulkageddon.
There are only a bounty on exhumers.

Do not mix the two.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-06-13 09:21:04 UTC
How can the op be a failure if there are still more Hulks dying than usually?

It's not like the goons are losing money here.

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Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-06-13 11:19:21 UTC
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Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#9 - 2012-06-13 11:27:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenchi Sal
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Tenchi Sal wrote:
It would seem Hulkageddon Infinity is a failure. Every where I go, I see exhumers again. All the ice fields are being populated, the asteroid belts are being eaten if not already eaten. The miners are back out in almost full force. Life is returning back to the ocean.

The goon's failed to realize that an event only fun when its an actual event. When it becomes "permanent" its no longer really a special event. It becomes part of the same old system, and like all of the same old systems, it gets boring after a while.

I for one am glad to see miners back out. It means cheaper ships for everyone else. Well at the expense of lower profits for the miners.



I said as much the day Mitt-ens made the annoucement. If hulkageddon was already a yawn-fest after a month, how much worse would a year round hulkageddon "emerging game play" effort become.


There are no active hulkageddon.
There are only a bounty on exhumers.

Do not mix the two.



Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, is called a duck, but its still a giraffe?

also the hulk can die as normal, and the goons will still make money. doesnt mean their event is successful.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-06-13 15:23:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Tenchi Sal wrote:
It would seem Hulkageddon Infinity is a failure. Every where I go, I see exhumers again. All the ice fields are being populated, the asteroid belts are being eaten if not already eaten. The miners are back out in almost full force. Life is returning back to the ocean.

The goon's failed to realize that an event only fun when its an actual event. When it becomes "permanent" its no longer really a special event. It becomes part of the same old system, and like all of the same old systems, it gets boring after a while.

I for one am glad to see miners back out. It means cheaper ships for everyone else. Well at the expense of lower profits for the miners.



I said as much the day Mitt-ens made the annoucement. If hulkageddon was already a yawn-fest after a month, how much worse would a year round hulkageddon "emerging game play" effort become.


There are no active hulkageddon.
There are only a bounty on exhumers.

Do not mix the two.



sorry it's the same thing.. the only difference is the extra prize for top killers.. 99% of players never win top prises. Hulkageddon is really only bount\y on exhumers anyway.. oh they do add a junor class killer bracket. but Mittens has said they were considering adding that year round too..

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Katja Faith
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-06-13 15:42:13 UTC
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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#12 - 2012-06-13 16:46:57 UTC
I would not call it a complete failure. More of a partial success.

Yes it is true, the proverbial thumb-screws are starting to loosen and miners are starting to be able to bring more minerals/ice to the market which is starting to bring prices back down. However, permageddon will probably make this decline much more gradual had hulkageddon ended completely, and prices will probably find equilibrium at a higher point than they would have without permageddon.


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Litair
Nleesh
#13 - 2012-06-14 01:05:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Litair
Clearly hulkageddon is primarily a way to measure e-peens during the occasional events, which as such is a funny idea too. Turning it infinite though will undoubtedly make it obsolete within a month, as you can't really win anything that never ends.. And yeah it'll become "the same old". If a race went on for all eternity, it would probably drop in interest too eventually.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-06-17 03:37:13 UTC
If people are still buying hulks, that kinda means the event is successful. You seem to think the point of hulkageddon is to kill miners.

(it's not)
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#15 - 2012-06-17 03:59:30 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:

sorry it's the same thing.. the only difference is the extra prize for top killers.. 99% of players never win top prises. Hulkageddon is really only bount\y on exhumers anyway.. oh they do add a junor class killer bracket. but Mittens has said they were considering adding that year round too..


Previous HAGs never had bounties on Exhumers.

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Captain Porkchops
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-06-17 04:37:59 UTC
Dorian Wylde wrote:
If people are still buying hulks, that kinda means the event is successful. You seem to think the point of hulkageddon is to kill miners.

(it's not)



Goons control all Hulk BPO's theirfore they kill to make isk..

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#17 - 2012-06-17 04:40:51 UTC
Captain Porkchops wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
If people are still buying hulks, that kinda means the event is successful. You seem to think the point of hulkageddon is to kill miners.

(it's not)



Goons control all Hulk BPO's theirfore they kill to make isk..

SOUND BUSINESS SENSE


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(Also, Tech's the interesting thing, not BPO's but v0v)

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-06-17 06:00:40 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
(Also, Tech's the interesting thing, not BPO's but v0v)


And you guys don't make any profit from those BPOs? Yeah, like we are going to believe that.
Skorpynekomimi
#19 - 2012-06-17 12:46:23 UTC
I think this might be part of their plan; by encouraging highsec ganking, they've practically stopped it. The threat is there, but the ganking itself has petered out. The market is still odd, but they're still selling tech, and others still have ships for them to blow up.

For most industrialists, it's a non-issue anyway. Even their gankfests last night in doxdie; I was booted offline by the first one, but they didn't blow up the thrasher I was flying. Instead, I just managed to carry on with the trading I was doing.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#20 - 2012-06-17 13:33:34 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
(Also, Tech's the interesting thing, not BPO's but v0v)


And you guys don't make any profit from those BPOs? Yeah, like we are going to believe that.


1. Waffles has tech? Shocked

2. Hulk BPOs have a terrible rate of return on the investment (in fact, this is true of all T2 BPOs). Maybe three billion ISK a month running something that ties up a hundred-fifty to two hundred billion isk in capital.

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