EVE General Discussion

You may personally not see the benefit but I can assure you that a taxable ring-mining system will benefit more than just the currently tech-dependent alliances.

I'm not really sure why it would need to be explained to anyone how additional sources of income that alliances can tax can be beneficial to anyone holding space who's members actually use their space...

Moon goo from ring mining should absolutely not be limited. Normal minerals are limited - abundant, but still limited. Why should moongoo via ring mining be any different?

Having fixed locations for unlimited resource harvesting is just poor mechanics imo. Once those locations are learned, it's far too easy to plant a large force (POS in the case of Eve-O) and go to town.

This also means once the location of the resource is revealed to enemies, they can simply drop forces there and go to town on their own.

Sure this drives conflict. But when you have unlimited resource harvesting, you get the C&C effect where the entity owning the resource can build an unlimited amount of forces, thus ensuring permanent control until they either quit out of boredom or failcascade due to internal disputes. When you get conflict over these resources, its blob-warfare.

I've always felt that the resources from moons should not just come from moons. Moving those resources to cosmic signatures like gravimeric or ladar sites would make "moon mining" a much more player engaging effort, while also eliminating the infinite well of resources that are moons.

And let's be honest. POSes suck balls. They are a pain to make, transport, place, maintain, use, and remove. But that is for another thread.

For ring mining, they can be ladar sites. Locate them close to a planet. Now create a specialized gas harvesting ship, like so many miners have been asking for. Currently only boosters and tech 3 are produced from gas clouds. I think this is an excellent opportunity to expand upon an already existing game mechanic to fix a very large problem.

Also, as long as we're at it, make ice fields deplete like the rest of the ores. I mean, seriously. Wtf is the idea with infinite resources at static locations?

CEECEEPEE, DO EET!

I've been saying that for ages! it just seems that currently there is no good way to poke people without deploying giant blobs (booo pos bashing snoozefests). imo having a 20man roaming gang in your space should make you want to go kill them and not dock up saying lol they will get bored within the hour and leave.

The problem with putting moon stuff in rings is sov bills are really really high! Just for a small constellation of about 7 systems, an alliance can expect to pay 3 billion a month. A constellation isn't unreasonable amount of space for smaller alliances to own, operate, and defend. But, how is an alliance supposed to pay the base bill, the upgrade bill, and get minerals for a ship replacement fund when their best way to pay is going out the window?

Tech is a very valuable moon and is in the hands of the big dogs. Fine what ever. But there is still moons for smaller alliances and when you're small you kind of need these moons to pay 3b a month for sov bills, x bil for a ship replacement fund, and some left over to help with miscellaneous stuff.

I ask you CCP, how are the smaller alliances who haven't made the trillions supposed to even survive with moon income going out? What's your thinking here?

Ice fields do deplete. It's just almost impossible to deplete them faster than they refill a couple of days later.

Are you sure? Currently it's such a unique thingie in eve, that no other game has it. You can put something on the map permanently.

And on the other hand, as I've experienced it, the problem is, the new sovholder wants to have different kind of outpost in that system. Allowing multiple ones in a system seems to be a better idea.

Also, if outposts will be destroyable, what will be on the smaller alliances side? Currently as it seems, mega powerblocks could just pop outposts in a few hours' work (and waiting for timers, that is, in a week), that others had been working for, even for months. Just for the fun, without any reason.

Then I guess your small alliance doesn't need a cynojammer, a bridge, and a supercap array in every system.




So? Is there a problem?

If anything this would allow for a true scorched earth strategy. You could come in and burn literally everything a hostile alliance owns. Currently, even if you just want to kick someone out of an area, you have to actually take over sov, manage it, pay for it, and defend it. If you vacate the area they can just take it right back.

Set the universe on fire and all that good stuff.

Yup. My concern is that it`s just one of those things that, for better or worse, is now part of the game. In retrospect you can see the problem it creates, but it`s too much an expected part of the game now that changing it would just make people ******* crazy.

I`m still on the fence, but I`m far from the supporting position I was once at.