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Goon alt, throwing out accusations of someone other than him, being a Goon.

See I can make baseless accusations too.

I grow weary of the same tired "ARGG! Goonies are ebil blobbers, who have CCP in their back pocket, and wouldn't last a second in a 'real' fight." meme like Jessie-A Tassik, posts. Really try something more original people.

Edit: Pyramid quoting removed - ISD Stensson

Just because I can't be bothered to type out a fresh reply, here's one I made earlier.


Perhaps you haven't been around very long, or perhaps you don't frequent many other parts of the forum than GD, but you are terribly mistaken. There are certainly members of GS that behave less than prudently on the forums, but that is not to say that all of them behave in such a fashion.

If you had bothered to do even the tiniest bit of research you would realise that, for the most part, the GS have made invaluable contributions to this game. Granted there have been some rather major and well publicised negative events involving GS members, but that should in no way over shadow the positive aspects of having GS around.

Back in 2004-right through until the arrival of GS we were lumbered with an Alliance that was of the same relative size and power as GS, but who did little to bring about changes that would be of benefit to the masses. GS have, to the annoyance of some, brought about some very good changes to the game, prominent amongst those being the nerfing of Titans, and more recently their requests for Technetium to be redistributed more fairly.

The majority of people crying on these forums are not members of GS, but rather those who have little to no understanding of GS, nor of their intentions, even though these intentions should be clear to most by now. Most of the GS members I see "crying" on the forums are actually being ironic, sarcastic or just plain in your face trolling, the laughable thing is that people seem to believe that they really are crying.

What is actually happening is that people like you are jumping on the "hate them cos they're bigger than us, wah wah wah" bandwagon, while taking absolutely no time or effort to take a look at things for yourselves. I suggest you go and educate yourself on the "facts" lest you appear more foolish than you already do.

tl;dr:

GS -> "Goon" is like a bad word, so unspeakable it cannot be spelled out.

That word should be banned.

CCP does many things badly, but they are 8/10 or even 9/10 in balance. When they mess up, the usually fix it right.

My issue - again - is not balance.

Its the defacto ban on accessing a tool's full potential to derive entertainment value of said tool in a toolbox.


Lets say the cost of bringing an ally were twice the cost of the attacking

The problem I see with both sides of the "OMG BALANCE" tears is that they are both speaking out of their ass. There is real pew pew pew in highsec. There are people who want to do things like bait and switch.

Its not about poor carebears being able to hit back (which quite frankly they can even with this system). Or poor old Jade getting permawarred for overdoing the tinfoil headresses.

Its about the possibilities of the sandbox. Essentially a trillion isk to mount a massive battle ground means banning massive battles in highsec.

Also, the so-called problem of the "free loaders" gets solved by charging the same amount for an ally that a war would have charged them had they had the same amount of members. Make being an ally the same as declaring war.

But the maximum for declaring war is not a trillion isk or more, its half a billion, which is affordable to any corp that actually needs help at that massive scale.

Also, I wouldn't mind attackers being able to bring allies too. But I can live without it too. I am just saying, give us tools, not directions. Specially trillion isk directions.

How much would that 10+10M*n^2 work out for 100 90 pilot "Anti-Goonswarm Alliances?" Or do you mean little guys should dock up?

Attacking corps should just pay 1 million x member count for a wardec. Problem solved.

Can you read?

Many of us give as much as a **** about goons as goons give a **** about us. We play different games that only intersect in interesting and creative ways like Burn Jita.

This is not about "balance" and this is not about "goons".

Read what it is about above in my several posts, including the OP.

Yeah of course. I take all this time making a coherent argument that explicitly places itself outside of the Dramabelisk, but I am part of the collective carebear butthurt and the tinfoil hat set.

Yeah...

It ceases to be a sandbox if there are toys in there ?

I hate to say it but this is GD. Coherent arguments and coherent responses are kind of left at the door. It is unfortunate but is the way of things.

What I might suggest is perhaps abandoning this thread and have another go of it in the Warfare and Tactics forum. That forum is all about PvP including Empire Wars.

Alternatively, if you have ideas that you think would make the game more fun or viable you might try posting this in Features and Ideas.

To post in GD and expect civil discourse is like throwing steak in a pit of tigers and then telling them to go hungry.