EVE General Discussion

So, i was just reading this dev blob about the mining barge buff. The more yield change made me think. Apparantly after the drone region removal mineral prices have gone up to high, otherwise you guys (you the devs) dont think its needed to increase the yeild, correct?

I just want to make sure that you havnt forgotten the influence that hulkageddan has on the basic minerals in EVE. These basic minerlas are mosty mined in high sec. Also these basic minerals increase are making T1 ships kinda expensive.

Buffing the yield will make the differance between high sec and 0.0 mining go worthless as more minerals will be mined in 0.0 thus makign the high ends drop more. Leveling out the mining on 1 level regardless the safety of system security. Therefor high sec mining will be more populair than 0.0 due its less risk and the 0.0 belts will go empty again. Undocking the sanbox change it has created now.

Im not sure if you guys actualy play the game anymore? I hope so, and i hope you are also active in 0.0. If so im sure you have seen the increase in hulks in 0.0 gravi sites. This lays the foundation of a new prey food chain. Increases the romingwillingness of the 0.0 dwellers that only play this game to pvp. (you know, the ones with multible accounts all over eve... the ones that create a social environment whitin their corporations that binds people for years on an end and basicly is the core of what eve is about....). New tacticts are used to difersify pvp in 0.0. Awoxers (ppl abusing their blue standings), local campers (ppl rly should use lacater agents to find out shiptypes and have defence at their mining ops), log off tactics (ppl should have scouts in their mining sites when a gang is passing trough)... ect. Overall it improves the quality of eve aswel as for the players as you CCP,.... you like extra subscribers right?

So now back to the reson why mining barges get an extra yield,... apparanty because they now have too little yield with the current mineral prices? correct..? NO... There are 2 resons which only 1 is correct, there are too few mininers currently mining the basic ores. Why is that? I wonder... has is something to do with Hulkageddon? 100% bet is has. Lets look where those basic minerals come from,... mostly these days from high sec mining.. correct?

For a few resons its profitable to suicide gank hulks in high sec. First i tell you why, second i explain you a few creative solutions that also fix the problem and keeps the foodchain in 0.0 as it is now.

The reson because there are too few miners is because its profitable to suicide gank mining barges in high sec. A destroyer can kill a hulk before the destroyer gets concorded. The loot and salvage is profitable enough to make it worth suiciding, the low skills needed for this encourage people to make a char and reprocess it when it has too low sec stat. Ontop of that some 0.0 entity is handing out 100 million isk per 10 hulk kills. A suicide destroyer cost alot less than 10 million isk. So alot of profit to be gained if you count that ontop of salvage and loot. Why can people affort that and why should they do that? It is realy easy... technetium... how much technetium is needed to build a hulk and who owns all that technetium. Who benifits the most from doing this? Its the same 0.0 entitly that is holding the moons. It is a really smart set up. A free isk p/u boost. As more hulks die, more tch is needed and the supply i liniair. This means that the price go's up and the given 10 mil isk per hulk kill is earned back with extar profit... Very clever. The only side affect is that now, hulks get a boost. Seems like a totaly wrong solution for a problem.

As you can make up form my previous words, this is how EVE works, the butterfly affect on its most perfect. A little change causes alot of new gameplay... or removes it. I find it amazing that the ability to see these affect is very limited or seems to be very limited trough a developer's eyes. Is there any concideration from the effects that the underlying problem is causign for allready soo long? Many people say the origin of this problem comes from the time where most dev time went the other ccp games. Did something went wrong in the decision making phase? There must be. Looking back, taking in my own 6yrs of hardcore palying eve (alts ftw), i could slighly hint that the reputation under old eve player of ccp contains usualy a sentence with the word incompetend in it. This is this, im sure you guys figur it out at some point. Lets leave it to this and lets continue to creative solution part.

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No personal attacks, please

ISD Tyrozan

OP must have skipped the changes to the other mining ships, otherwise this thread wouldn't exist.

Christ, they buffed your ******* mining ships just like you begged, and now you complain about this? When will you pubbies finally be happy?

Just admit you want invulnerable exhumers that can pop a rock in one cycle and stop pretending this has anything to do with game balance or whatever.

He does have a point.

The last Hulk I ganked netted me about 50mil in loot and salvage. 2 destroyers with fittings cost me 3mil...ish

People like the OP make a whole category look bad.

that's not the problem... the problem is the yield and advantage of THE highend is so far above the rest as to make the rest of the mining stable unattractive. They seek to give people a reason to use the other ships even for advanced work.

Haahahahhahhah. Ooh man.

Quoting preciousness.