Intergalactic Summit

I hope everyone can indulge me; I'd like to comment, but first want to review what exactly has been said on a grand scale. The first rule of rhetoric is to know the positions that have been taken, after all.

As loyal Khross-haan has described, he fears the CPD has pulled us away from the roots that have always been our strengths. Loyal Kim-haani has taken the position that through obedience to the CPD we shall find the strength to defeat our foes and emerge from the conflict more powerful than ever.

This is a question that every Caldari faces. We are all part of several communities, and must come to terms with where our loyalties ultimately lie - a descending heiarchy of faithfulness in those cases when two of our groups come into conflict. My heart goes out to those who find their loyalties so torn - those loyal Ishukone Liberals who now find themselves at odds with the CPD are pulled in two directions - first, towards the will of the State, and the other, the will of Ishukone. In fact, should two dear loyalties come into conflict, sometimes taking ones' own life is the only solution that preserves the honour of both groups. This is a sad fate indeed. May we all find better ends.

This is a decision that each of us must make individually and together, in our families - it cannot be made for us. Tidus Heth in fact proposes to simplify this ancient problem, by making all entities within the State subordinate to the CPD and the Executor. This would effectively solidify the decisions of loyalty we have to face, it would make the choice for us. We would see greater quarterly efficiency from this action, and should everyone fall into line, greater social cohesion. These are all good things.

However, this structure is only strong in one direction. Conflict amongst ourselves is also one of our greater strengths. We do not always agree with one another, and we do not always act in unison. While we show a unified State outwardly, and will act together when needed, in the general sense we have always been divided amongst one another.

This is our long-term strength, the source of our future. Conflict weeds out the weaker ideas, and due to the bonds of fraternity we limit the suffering that conflict brings about. Those shining gems which emerge from our struggles are turned to good use by the State as a whole. This is our foundry of progress, and why we can claim those heights of potency we reach despite our small population and territory.

Our strength is our fluidity - the great bodies of the Corporations and their subsidiaries and teams, all moving amongst one another, generating heat and light in the cold. Tidus Heth and the Provists wish to fuse them together into a great mountain of strength. But they forget that old proverb - that fluid waves will wear down a mountain, given time. Strength is useless without mobility, and will decay beneath the battering surf of time.

Happy sailing, friends and allies. May you move with the currents and be taken to happy harbours.

We don't have mechanist neither for despotic, nor monarchic regimes yet. As you can see, the enemy is real and threat too. This war could not be avoided, it could only be delayed. Gallente's greed of power and desire of subduing other nations under their rule against our will to return home planet. Even if you stop it now, it will erupt later. And in order to win this war, we have to stay together.

Unfortunately, your whole reply is written from a position of obtaining "power", and this is quite gallentean approach. If you look carefully at Tibus Heth, you won't see a gallentean politician, who tears his fat rear-end to get power and wealth, but you will see a Caldari worker, who is striving for his State. I would like to cite another individual's position, that is somewhat close to yours, for my answer to be full, however I would prefer not name him:

This is a typical response of those, who do not want State to be strong and win this war. Coordinated State is a real threat to enemies and they will do everything to separate us. They don't understand one simple thing:
the position of executor is a position that you need to take to coordinate the State.
To take this positions means been employed by the State. Say, if you are working, for example, in a factory to produce spaseships that are urgently needed for war, that you want to win with all your heart, would you "step down" from your position?

This form of "stepping down" is very gallentean too, just remember as Foiritan run away like a frog with burning tail, when federation was loosing horribly. He didn't have guts to stay in position, take responsibility for what he did wrong and fix it himself, he just run away, as most of gallentean would do.
And I would like to point again, this is not just a "power", this is a job that must be done. The position will eventually become obsolete when it won't needed anymore, and when corporations will need to compete amongst themselves instead of fighting enemy of all our corporations. What about replacement for Tibus Heth, at the moment not a single Caldari could compete against his merits.

I don't need to hear about you or your corporation. Really. And I didn't question your mission. If there's anything in your corporation that I'd question, it will be your current leadership.


For military personnel being "yes-man" means being professional.


I am not discarding other opinions if they differ from mine, I am always opened to discuss everything (provided it as minimal gallentean as possible), but I'd prefer to discard opinions that are voiced with attacks, since using insults in a profound discussion means being not professional. The only way I accept using insults and personal attacks is when I consider my opponent being futile and conversation is unproductive, with the only reason: to annoy opponent and show how miserable he is. Of course any opinions in such conversation will be eventually discarded.


I see you like to throw empty words at others too. Well done, I can consider you instead as being empty, blind and fanatical.
You asked me to try to insult you, so get this, you well deserved it.


Considering your position, why don't you take your tea yourself right now?
What about me, I am dead already for over 4 years now. I am dead because there was no Executor at that time. My hatred to gallente keeps me here and extends to everyone who opposes the State. There's nothing else left in me. They will disappear, and so will I.

Kim,

As it has become abundantly clear that you are beyond reason and wisdom and I have observed not only myself, but my employees degrading our civility attempting to communicate with you; I have made it clear that we will cease communication with you.

May your path of service be profitable.

Thank you.
Really, thank you. I will even close eyes on your usual groundless blatant insults and say you again thank you.
I really wish you'd never started to communicate with me in first place.
But this will do.

THANK YOU.

Not too sure what to make of the fact that you've got quite the bit of Achurans in this debate. The entirerity of State culture is based off of Caldari Prime. I'd even call it alienating.

The things they must be putting in your history books these days...

You know, I think I'd really like to see what the love child of Vaari and Diana comes out like. I imagine to be a creature so disconnected from reason and reality it might tear a hole in the fabric of space.

I think they should name it Charles.

So, a quiet and philosophical culture is compatible with a heavily militaristic one that is characterized at the highest level by ruthless hypercapitalism, unethical corporate practices, and generally seeing no issues with starting wars and inflicting violence on civilians based on grudges that emerged during a conflict that no one here was around to live through.

It's a shame. If the Achur remained in the Federation, they might have produced many of our most notable Presidents, like the Intaki have done.

If the rest of you actually believe the Federation to go out of its way to oppress minorities (an odd statement, given that there is no dominating majority in this nation), then I don't think you know how soft power and "conquering peacefully" works. While the State enforces racial/ethnic lines that do nothing but perpetuate this conflict (though, war seems profitable to the Big Eight), the Federation is designed to champion ideals that transcend racial and cultural boundaries.

Sure, those ideals have their roots from Gallente Prime, but like any idea, it has been changed through interacting with the philosophies of other cultures within the Federation. The Provists and the State as a whole seem to forget that race and culture are ultimately trivial things, and that humans are, in essence, all the same. Many on this side of the Border Zone seem to forget that, too, but these are the Federation's founding principles, and this will be reminded when the radicalism perpetuated by the likes of President Roden and the military-industrial complex petters out.

It's a shame that, despite the advancements of humanity in ascending to the interstellar field, that founding nations and setting out policy based on petty ideas of race and culture is acceptable. A prehistoric mindset if there every was one. If you lot want to sit in your corner of the cluster, kicking and screaming about preservation of a culture that is ancient and outdated, when the rest of us in the Federation recognize universal human concepts, then be my guest.

Let's hope both sides run out of bullets before we run out of bodies.

We are all projects in progress, Oniseki, not finished products.