EVE General Discussion

Just to quickly grab this one: I haven't entirely decided yet, but I'd like to take out all the moon mining and move it into ring mining. I'm not sure having a tower that basically mines money is a good idea compared to having a group of people doing an activity that the alliance then has some tools to tax.

That's another issue, making sure your alliances health/money is linked to your members. Right now it really isn't and I think EVE would be a better game if alliances would benefit more directly from their members actions, rather than a tower sitting somewhere.

The problem with this is that if a tax can be evaded it probably will be. We don't set refinery taxes anymore because they only penalize the small guy: the major miners will just compress and export. If you can make seamless taxation work, thats great but I don't know that you can.

I think POCOs require a certain minimum traffic to be interesting. If we let them be taken over in High Sec (which I desperately want to do), they'd become a lot more interesting.

Edit: Yes, stations should be destroyable.

I think what would be interesting is a tiered tax system.


Whatever/however it works.


We have 2 groups.

Alliance A and Alliance B.


Alliance A controls a small constellation of systems and gathers about 1,000 players in the constellation able to maintain activities (dreaming here).

Alliance B sees this and decides that they want some of the action. So they move in and "attack" the system. They win the battles over the structures but they don't take over the stations/outpots/i-hubs. When they "win" the fight, they opt to instead of taking over the outpost to add their own taxation to the systems activities.

So Alliance A is now being taxed by Alliance B to own the system and live there. They can stay or leave, but the station is taxed by them, and by alliance A on their players.

So, now there's a tough call. Is it worth moving away from the conquered stations to avoid the taxation? (Was taxation unreasonable?) or do they stay and not hassle with moving away.

Also, how do you get that taxation removed is another question.

There is still the issue of "planting the flag", and this is a lot like "renters", but the idea is to allow conquest without domination. Anyways, just an interesting thought bubble that I really liked from the perspective of dynamic sov control. Eventually a group can take over large sections to tax them, and "own" them. Eventually you get rebellious activity of course, and you can make more enemies than you like, but you do get a source of income from large swathes of population, promote population retention in null sec systems without forcing total evac scenarios, and can say "I OWN YOU ****". :)

I do have to agree with this. Turning PVPers into Miners isn't going to turn too well.

But, you see, what you're missing is that there are WHOLE ARMIES OF MINERS IN HISEC. You just need to convince them that you are more profitable than that can ever be. Then, you take their taxes, and you build your army and fund it.

This goes back to the idea I have of population retention. Instead of kicking all the miners out when you take a null sec over, you can keep population retention in a null sec location, (miners in your case), use them as taxation, and then it becomes a matter of who controls the most miners mining the most stuff, gets the most taxes can build the biggest army that can own EVE.

Yes, some people really love mining, JUST THAT MUCH.

Local has to change (because miners are afraid of local channels, it's true, I deal with it everyday). Out of sight out of mind.

The coalition that we run is actually not too dissimilar from this situation.

the main factor for taking space should be the planets and thier strategic reasource being crew members on planets...

yes.. wipe moon mining from existence when ring mining is implemented. more ISK into individual pockets, less into alliance. deep pocketed alliances are part of the reason of stagnation.

also there is less incentive for market manipulation at an alliance level without moon goo.

At Ring Mining ::

I think an interesting idea would be instead of requiring to "dock" and deposit ring mining goodies, that you can drop them off at a station attachment that would be designed like a POCO hangar (bear with me).

The Moon Mining Deposit Bay would let you drop your ores into the station and it would be taxed and then taken to the appropriate hangar (corp/personal). This would avoid the need for constant docking and undocking when full up on materials and would let miners get taxed as they go, providing a service and a convenience and a method of taxation.

Just exploring here on forward thinking mechanics.

I basically addressed this earlier: the reason why tech is no longer a successful conflict driver is it's expensive to take, and the moons are going to be nerfed in the near future. Tech isn't a good conflict driver as well because it's too strongly regional. Tech should be nerfed, making a different moon (an r64) the valuable moon, then look at replacing it as a conflict driver.

Just cause I am thinking about it and dpending on how far you want to go.


First POS's serve a purpose but they were based on a time when there was no cycno Jammers and Jump Bridges.
For items like that and SOV mechanics they serve there purpose.

But for moon mining they are overkill.

You need to make a platform for moon mining and moon material production.
The shields on it need to be small if any.
IT needs to be more akin to a ship.
It can have POS weapons but give the platform slots for them so they can be limited and tweaked if need be.
They also need to be destroyed as target points.

Then you can add all the other items for moon mining in slots as well also destoryable or with enough damage that it will take them off line.

All the above should be able to be taken out with a small group and some time.

The platform itself should require Capitals or a large group and TONS of time.

The object is to find a sweet spot where something can be taken offline with a wondering gang.
And even stolen from (REWARD) if offline

But can't be destroyed without some serious effert.

Repair - 2 ways
One you provide some raw materials and it will repair itself over time and come back online providing knowone is shooting it.
THe repair materials can be stored in the stucker itself.
Second - direct repping.

This will provide some method for those that don't want to mind it but you can't just ignore it like we do now with POS's.

Something like that, small scale raiding and disruption of industry is the goal without having to pull out the capitals.

I know this is alot but I think it would be easier then reworking POS's and then try and balance them.

Better to phase them out entirely (if need be) over time then try to replace them in one go.