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People vs Tibus Heth: a note to capsuleer Caldari corporations.
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Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#21 - 2012-06-14 17:43:44 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
We have always been a nation both united and divided, to my understanding. We come to consensus and then pull, together, as a team. It isn't unity that drives us, though. It's our love for one another. Our leaders watch out for us from their high positions, seeing things that we can't. Our workers pull, and together form the body of our State. But we have never, ever, relied on our leaders for sole direction. Should one of us - any of us - encounter a danger, or an opportunity, it is our responsibility to cry it out, ere the wolves descend on us all in the cold night. In this way we are all family.

I think that this is the core of being Caldari, of Heiian. It's not blind loyalty to our leaders. It's heartfelt, unbending devotion to one another, to our home. It is a willingness to do what must be done, as the revered Admiral once did, and as we all do silently, every day. Our leaders must feel this as well, or we will be led astray.



This is a fine description, but not exclusively of the Caldari. This is true of any effective community, family, nation, tribe, organization, etc. This is the core of community, not just the Caldari nation.

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-06-14 17:55:54 UTC
Edaine Numenor wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
We have always been a nation both united and divided, to my understanding. We come to consensus and then pull, together, as a team. It isn't unity that drives us, though. It's our love for one another. Our leaders watch out for us from their high positions, seeing things that we can't. Our workers pull, and together form the body of our State. But we have never, ever, relied on our leaders for sole direction. Should one of us - any of us - encounter a danger, or an opportunity, it is our responsibility to cry it out, ere the wolves descend on us all in the cold night. In this way we are all family.

I think that this is the core of being Caldari, of Heiian. It's not blind loyalty to our leaders. It's heartfelt, unbending devotion to one another, to our home. It is a willingness to do what must be done, as the revered Admiral once did, and as we all do silently, every day. Our leaders must feel this as well, or we will be led astray.



This is a fine description, but not exclusively of the Caldari. This is true of any effective community, family, nation, tribe, organization, etc. This is the core of community, not just the Caldari nation.


Except that the Caldari Nation, its government, its social structure, its business structure and its culture are all based around the absolute embodiment of this mindset and principle. While many communities and nations will share these principles, the Caldari are built upon them to a much more exacting degree.

~Malcolm Khross
Edaine Numenor
Numenor Benevolent Holdings
#23 - 2012-06-14 18:14:57 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:

Except that the Caldari Nation, its government, its social structure, its business structure and its culture are all based around the absolute embodiment of this mindset and principle. While many communities and nations will share these principles, the Caldari are built upon them to a much more exacting degree. (emphasis mine)


I understand that you feel this way about your culture, but I think your perception is a bit overstated. "Absolute Embodiment" is a very bold statement. Anyone who has done any significant business with Caldari mega-corporations and/or governmental bodies soon realizes that this culture is as susceptible to the corrupting influences of greed and avarice as any other culture. You claim that the Caldari "are" built upon these principles. I mean no disrespect to you or the Caldari people, but I caution you against the hubris that prevents a humble view of your own Culture. No doubt the Caldari "were" built upon these principles. Are they now? That is open to debate.

Certainly, the Gallente could claim that their community of liberty is based upon these principles. Certainly, the Minmatar could claim that their tribal coherence is based upon similar ideals.

No culture is an "Absolute Embodiment" of these ideals, sir. You are perhaps right about the "exacting degree" part, but only as a stated ideal, not necessarily as a reality. Pro-Heth and Anti-Heth opinion would both claim faithful adherence to the ideal, but can both be right?

Liberating slaves wherever, whenever, and however I can.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-06-14 18:40:22 UTC
I have to say there's a definite feeling of satisfaction when the only voice speaking in defence of Kim's utterly meritless outlook on the Caldari State is some random guy from SAK.

It's almost as satisfying as knowing the only people who could protect her home system were the Gallente.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-06-14 19:46:00 UTC
Halete wrote:
but is it not understandable if somebody does not wish to support the man due to a simple dispute of policies?

These policies worked very well for the State, bringing more development and advancement. Those, who dispute these policies are against development of the State, and thus won't bring any good.

Dilaro thagriin wrote:
I see your state travelling down a path that will not end well. Still, I know you won't listen. perhaps others will though.

This path leads by improvement towards brighter future. Maybe you are right, it will not end well... but only for those, who oppose the State!

Anja Suorsa, Desiderya, I am just a soldier, when I will want to insult somebody, I will do it straight and right away. Feel free to continue posting in such manner if you want my next insult targeted towards you.

Desiderya wrote:

It might be a surprise for you, but there are people out there that can see both the merits and demerits of Heth's actions. We have regained control of our homeland but are locked in a war of attrition. Our meritocratic ideals have been restored but we're facing internal turmoil, not just because of inquisitive blueshirts ready to see treason at every opportunity, but also on the megacorporate level where Heth is doing his best to single out an important part of our State and society. We've found new patriotic feelings, but we've also found dangerous racism, inspired by Heth. The federation was never loved, gallenteans were often disliked, but thank the man for turning a political and cultural disapproval into primitive despite.

Are there any real demerits?
The war? It was inevitable. All we can do is try our best to win and end it.
What turmoil are you talking about? Those, who don't wish to see progress of the State are either enemies of the State or those, who were hurt by these reforms because of their lack of merits, and about them I made my message.
Primitive despite is not always bad. It stimulates to work better, than your opponent. It stimulates to fight fiercer. This is a driving force too, this is a mean for acquiring strength. And will to win. Do you want to end this war, soldier? Then crush the enemy as soon as possible. Do not feel mercy. DESPISE THEM!

Kerri Knight wrote:

Should things continue as they are, I forsee the Liberal bloc continuing its distancing from the State (as it now exists) until they are so entirely severed as to demand a response to extract compliance through force, which will itself finalize their complete division from the whole. Now I am careful to note, the distance growing is with the governing structure and not the Caldari people, meaning this could well lead to a situation where secession or civil war occurs. Either outcome would be detrimental to our society and you can certainly expect the Federation will happily take advantage of the resulting chaos.

The problem with Liberal bloc is that you don't know what to expect from them. You know what Practicals strive for, you can predict their moves and help them to achieve their goals. Some goes for Patriots. But liberals... they lack the strong line, they are looking for breaking common rules. But i really hope they will understand soon, that unified Caldari is the power, and separated Caldari is a way to ruin and defeat.

Kerri Knight wrote:
I expect the situation will only continue to grow worse as long as the CPD remains in a position of strength over the CEP. Centralized power is simply not compatible with our way of life, which has always been far more of a confederacy of partners who had to prove their legitimacy in quantifiable, tangible ways rather than who's soaring, jingoistic rhetoric played best upon the baser emotions.

Sometimes centralized power is necessary. Every corporation is a centralized power in a miniature. Before, we were competing amongst ourselves to improve and gain experience. Now the time for this is over. We have a common enemy, and we strike it as a whole. There's no time for corporations to fight against each other. However, when the enemy will be disposed off, the State will return to a condition, when there is no external threat and corporations will start again competing against each other. Competition is a driving power for the State, and now we all are competing against Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic. And we will win.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-06-14 20:20:06 UTC
Edaine Numenor wrote:

very bold statement. Anyone who has done any significant business with Caldari mega-corporations and/or governmental bodies soon realizes that this culture is as susceptible to the corrupting influences of greed and avarice as any other culture.


Absolutely, I did not mean to state otherwise and apologize sincerely if it appears that I have done so.

Edaine Numenor wrote:
You claim that the Caldari "are" built upon these principles. I mean no disrespect to you or the Caldari people, but I caution you against the hubris that prevents a humble view of your own Culture. No doubt the Caldari "were" built upon these principles. Are they now? That is open to debate.


No, we have failed to uphold and embody these principles and virtues. A review of our history will see that they have been the guiding force behind our culture and government for most of our recorded history, but we have allowed them to slip. That is the reason many of us are a taking a stand, seeking once again to define ourselves and maybe influence others to stand upon these same principles once again.

Edaine Numenor wrote:
Certainly, the Gallente could claim that their community of liberty is based upon these principles. Certainly, the Minmatar could claim that their tribal coherence is based upon similar ideals.


I do not make a habit of insulting or trying ignorantly to promote cultures that I am not intimately familiar with. I am certain that a feeling of community is apparent in every culture and civilization, it would seem somewhat difficult to become a culture or civilization without it.

Edaine Numenor wrote:
No culture is an "Absolute Embodiment" of these ideals, sir. You are perhaps right about the "exacting degree" part, but only as a stated ideal, not necessarily as a reality. Pro-Heth and Anti-Heth opinion would both claim faithful adherence to the ideal, but can both be right?


Of course it is not a reality, we are still individuals and still imperfect beings capable of pulling away from these principles and sowing chaos into the lives around us. I believe we are misunderstanding one another. Caldari culture and society maintains these principles to an almost god-like degree, far and above what most other cultures and societies do. Consider how the Caldari focus on sacrifice to the community at the cost of the individual whereas the Gallente focus on the liberty and freedom of the individual above that of the community. Is either system superior? Regardless, they are both quite different.

I am not attempting to claim superiority or inferiority of anything nor am I attempting to discount any other culture or government, I am simply stating factually that the Caldari have consistently strove to embody these principles far and beyond what many others do.

~Malcolm Khross
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-06-14 20:24:02 UTC
Kalaratiri wrote:
Jutashi Igunen wrote:
Through unity there is strength


The rest of your post aside, you might want to rephrase that.

The last time that line was blared proudly across the IGS, it heralded the resurgence of the Sansha.

Not something you may wish your views to be associated with.

Sansha's true slaves are just flesh drones, who are working for their "drone mother". This is not a true unity, just a shared program.
Our WILL and HATRED makes every of us stronger than a number of sanshas.


Uraniae Fehrnah wrote:
You say those that disagree with Heth should be ashamed to call themselves Caldari. I say it is those that jump to action for the State rather than Heth's governance of the State are the ones that can most proudly proclaim themselves to be Caldari.

I will agree with you, but don't forget, that Tibus Heth jumps to action for the State himself. He is a true patriot and did for the State much more than any of us did. He is a real leader, not by his position, but by his actions. Fighting for the State means fighting with him together, not against him. He is the one, who must be called number One Caldari!

Scherezad wrote:
We have always been a nation both united and divided, to my understanding. We come to consensus and then pull, together, as a team. It isn't unity that drives us, though. It's our love for one another. Our leaders watch out for us from their high positions, seeing things that we can't. Our workers pull, and together form the body of our State. But we have never, ever, relied on our leaders for sole direction. Should one of us - any of us - encounter a danger, or an opportunity, it is our responsibility to cry it out, ere the wolves descend on us all in the cold night. In this way we are all family.

I think that this is the core of being Caldari, of Heiian. It's not blind loyalty to our leaders. It's heartfelt, unbending devotion to one another, to our home. It is a willingness to do what must be done, as the revered Admiral once did, and as we all do silently, every day. Our leaders must feel this as well, or we will be led astray.

Even being executor you can't do everything alone. Tibus Heth needs our help and our support! And we need him to lead us!

Lyn Farel wrote:
It sounds like to me that people are looking for unity, as long as it is under their own unity and conditions. Which is fine, but what is stunning is that they actually complain that the rest of the people they try to enforce their unity on seem to disagree somehow.

However, nobody will make me believe that just because a man and his provists rose to power that everyone's protocols, procedures and traditionnal employment suddenly changed to fit that man's ideals. I am pretty sure that the Caldari re-discovered meritocracy to magnify it to a point where it became one of the pillars of their ideals again, but I will never believe that everything suddenly changed accordingly to this. I am convinced that most employers and Caldari executives still continue to live more or less the same way they did several years ago. This kind of change does not come true in one night. And it would also be useful to remind that the Caldari State was already seen as a meritocratic model before, even if not on the same scale as of now.

Well, there's always work to do, need I say more?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Safai
Yaqin
#28 - 2012-06-14 20:24:23 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Anja Suorsa, Desiderya, I am just a soldier, when I will want to insult somebody, I will do it straight and right away.

A genuine question: because you are a soldier, and clearly not a representative or delegate of the Caldari State, why have your superiors not yet put the muzzle on you?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-06-14 20:31:40 UTC
All this meaningless faux-patriotic bluster from a woman who's apparently too cowardly to even work for the government she constantly feels the need to remind everyone she supports.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Kerri Knight
Ishukone Prosperity Exchange
#30 - 2012-06-14 21:26:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kerri Knight
Diana Kim wrote:
Kerri Knight wrote:

Should things continue as they are, I forsee the Liberal bloc continuing its distancing from the State (as it now exists) until they are so entirely severed as to demand a response to extract compliance through force, which will itself finalize their complete division from the whole. Now I am careful to note, the distance growing is with the governing structure and not the Caldari people, meaning this could well lead to a situation where secession or civil war occurs. Either outcome would be detrimental to our society and you can certainly expect the Federation will happily take advantage of the resulting chaos.

The problem with Liberal bloc is that you don't know what to expect from them. You know what Practicals strive for, you can predict their moves and help them to achieve their goals. Some goes for Patriots. But liberals... they lack the strong line, they are looking for breaking common rules. But i really hope they will understand soon, that unified Caldari is the power, and separated Caldari is a way to ruin and defeat.

Kerri Knight wrote:
I expect the situation will only continue to grow worse as long as the CPD remains in a position of strength over the CEP. Centralized power is simply not compatible with our way of life, which has always been far more of a confederacy of partners who had to prove their legitimacy in quantifiable, tangible ways rather than who's soaring, jingoistic rhetoric played best upon the baser emotions.

Sometimes centralized power is necessary. Every corporation is a centralized power in a miniature. Before, we were competing amongst ourselves to improve and gain experience. Now the time for this is over. We have a common enemy, and we strike it as a whole. There's no time for corporations to fight against each other. However, when the enemy will be disposed off, the State will return to a condition, when there is no external threat and corporations will start again competing against each other. Competition is a driving power for the State, and now we all are competing against Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic. And we will win.

This has historically been a popular tactic of despotic regimes, to justify their use of broad, sweeping powers upon a necessary response to a "state of emergency" that exists. This, of course, leads to inherent conflicts of interest in that should the threat be defeated, they would then be expected to relinquish this abusive and unchecked authority. Power rarely seeks to diminish its available methods of control, preferring they be institutionalized and continued.

More often than not, even in those cases where the external threats are successfully quelled, anyone who questions or voices dissent are themselves labeled as threats that should be addressed. The view that anything but full-throated reverence and worship of his holiness the Executor means that such a person wishes to see the Caldari destroyed is the very sort of dangerous hyperbole that often emanates from entrenched power. Accusations of giving aid and comfort to the enemy, seeking to divide our nation at a time when a threat exists which demands our obedience will be made.

Recall, for example, the brutal repression of Intaki dissidents during the first war. As we see, this tendency to demand conformity actually leaves rifts that remain for generations and only serves to weaken the whole in the long-term.

[u]Kerri Knight[/u] Communications Director Ishukone Prosperity Exchange "Cooperation is the greater path than conflict"
Dilaro thagriin
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-06-14 21:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Dilaro thagriin
A Caldari businessman, seeking to unite all his people, under a single banner, fueled by hatred and a lust for revenge....

I have seen this somewhere before...


Oh and Kim....

Blind hatred does not make you strong. It is a cancer that will eat away at the core of your society, until nothing but that hatred survives. It has happened in the past, and it will happen again.

The path i spoke of, and the dark ending it will lead to pertained to the Caldari. win or lose in the war, your current mindset will destroy everything you fight to save.
Jutashi Igunen
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-06-14 21:57:58 UTC
Hoshisuuvi wrote:
So, how is the fight going over in SAK?

Why do you attack me? In SAK I work as teacher, this is a noble profession, do not make fun of teaching. I contribute to Caldari state in different way to you, but I do not make fun of you??

Malcolm Khross wrote:

You speak of unified industry, not of unity. There is a difference, my friend.

The definition of unity is being one in spirit and goal. The Caldari people, as you can clearly see, are not. We are divided because we are not being governed as communities united by philosophy and merit, with a governor from each community sitting on a council to consider things that affect the State as a whole. We are being herded like sheep to the will of one man and his controlling regime, enforced by the Provists and the CPD.

Heiian calls for laying aside the self for the needs of the community. It is a philosophy that represents unforced, unregulated sacrifice in the service of your countrymen. The CPD is neither unforced nor unregulated.

Strange, I don't recall indicating a desire to abolish any industry plans. Nor do I recall any indication whatsoever that industry would cease if the CPD were annulled. In fact, I would suggest that the annulment of the CPD would not hamper industry in any way, the needs of the Caldari people will continue to drive industry in the direction(s) it needs to go.

Again, I don't recall ever indicating that I wished for anyone to die. Nor do I recall trying to deny weaponry to soldiers. You are again demonstrating this mindset that without Tibus Heth's directorate the Caldari would flounder without purpose or direction. I say to you that our history speaks to the contrary.

It seems you need to brush up on your history. The Raata Empire was an Empire in name, not in practice. It was, in fact, ruled by governors (leaders over other empires that merged to create the Raata) spread throughout the habitable patches of land on Caldari Prime. Each governor representing a particular group of people and communally working to govern the Caldari people as a whole. It was in this model that the original meritocracy of the State, in which the most powerful corporations govern over areas of the State and sit upon the Chief Executive Panel to govern the entire State collectively, was formed.


I will say I am happy you do not want Caldaris to die, this is the most important thing.

We are working towards one goal and in one spirit? I don't think you understand that the Caldari people are working to towards the goal of winning the war in the spirit that carried us to freedom 200 years ago. This: " We are divided because we are not being governed as communities united by philosophy and merit, with a governor from each community sitting on a council to consider things that affect the State as a whole" makes no sense. Please explain how that is the only way a people can be unified? And I said, we already are fighting towards one goal.

Please do not claim CPD is unregulated or forcing any work. CPD and Heth were granted power by other CEOs. Heth is not in total control as you claim. CPD does not force anyone to do work, they asked and the megas were happy to help. Heth would leave if CEOs told him to. You keep saying Caldaris need separate 'governors', we have them and they think Heth is the best thing for the State.

Look the CEOs even dissolve Heths project: http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2512&tid=6 . And they still deliberate on what CPD asks, they do not just do http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3840&tid=6 . It says all laws must still be passed by CEP http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Chief_Executive_Panel_(NPC_corporation) . please explain how this is not the governors that you want???
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#33 - 2012-06-14 22:43:25 UTC
A man with a fatal disease will do just about anything for the cure, won't he?

Food for thought.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-06-15 03:08:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Khross
Igunen-haan,

We are clearly misunderstanding one another. The Caldari Providence Directorate gives Heth control over the industrial bloc of the State, not over every aspect of the State. I urge you to consider the level of authority he has and deeply research the history of "the CEOs accepting" him, because it was not quite so jubilantly as you are claiming it to have been.

Your first article refers to the Reform Guidance Board which was not Tibus Heth's project, it was a project of the CEP. It was established to give the CEOs a voice over the reforms being put into place by the CPD. The RGB was disbanded because several incidents kept arising right before meetings that required the attention of one or more of the major CEOs. When the meeting was postponed too many times consecutively, the CEP then ordered it disbanded because they couldn't reliably get it to function. This action gave complete power to the CPD to govern and institute the reforms put forth by Heth.

You are correct in that the CEP still deliberates over certain matters of law, but not all of them (as it should). You should also note that the CPD (or a representative thereof) is now present over this deliberations in addition to a representative of the Kaalakiota Corporation (over which Heth is CEO).

The third thing you linked to is a write-up of the stated function of the CEP. You will note, in the last part, where it indicates that the "State Executor" and the "Caldari Providence Directorate" exert a great deal of influence over the CEP. You will also note that a State Executor never existed before Tibus Heth and that the CEP is no longer the single governing body of the State.

You are right in that Tibus Heth is not a dictator because he can be opposed and can be pulled from power, but this will not happen until the CEP and those it represents rise up and make it happen. When Tibus Heth steps down from his position of authority and turns the State over to is true meritocratic roots and decentralized government that has always been the way of the Caldari people, I will consider him under a new light.

Until then, he has displayed a remarkable level of cunning and ambition to secure and maintain his position as the "Executor of the State."

~Malcolm Khross
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#35 - 2012-06-15 08:08:44 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
IHowever, nobody will make me believe that just because a man and his provists rose to power that everyone's protocols, procedures and traditionnal employment suddenly changed to fit that man's ideals. I am pretty sure that the Caldari re-discovered meritocracy to magnify it to a point where it became one of the pillars of their ideals again, but I will never believe that everything suddenly changed accordingly to this. I am convinced that most employers and Caldari executives still continue to live more or less the same way they did several years ago. This kind of change does not come true in one night. And it would also be useful to remind that the Caldari State was already seen as a meritocratic model before, even if not on the same scale as of now.

I had thought to remark upon this myself, but feared an outsider's opinion would be poorly received by your more zealous compatriots.

I find it surprising that such a pragmatic people would repeat the fairytale that Caldari is a pure meritocracy. While doing business with one of your larger corporations, I've interacted with many incompetent managers and fainéant station workers. I've also come across industrious, skilled Caldari stuck in dead-end jobs, presumably because they irritated one of their superiors.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-06-15 12:33:33 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:

I had thought to remark upon this myself, but feared an outsider's opinion would be poorly received by your more zealous compatriots.

I find it surprising that such a pragmatic people would repeat the fairytale that Caldari is a pure meritocracy. While doing business with one of your larger corporations, I've interacted with many incompetent managers and fainéant station workers. I've also come across industrious, skilled Caldari stuck in dead-end jobs, presumably because they irritated one of their superiors.


Please understand that only an opinion offered poorly will be received poorly. An outsider can offer a perspective that an insider cannot, just as a jeweler will see a different facet of a diamond than a wife would.

The Caldari State is, of course, not a pure meritocracy. It, like all nations and governments, is subject to corruption, pollution, dishonesty and other less favorable characteristics and influences. It is established as a meritocracy and meant to be one, but in this age of bounty and plentiful external influences, the governing philosophy of Heiian that drove our people to such bonds of community and self-sacrifice for the whole are put to the strain and all-too-oft ignored now more than ever.

That is why it is increasingly more important for those of us that wish to see the Caldari return to the principles and values that once united our people across Caldari Prime and gave us the strength, resolve and character to survive against the odds; that became the driving force behind our culture and our identity; to take a stand and seek once more to serve the State and the Caldari people through and with those principles and values.

~Malcolm Khross
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#37 - 2012-06-15 13:32:43 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Anja Suorsa, Desiderya, I am just a soldier, when I will want to insult somebody, I will do it straight and right away. Feel free to continue posting in such manner if you want my next insult targeted towards you.

It's alright, you can always try.

Diana Kim wrote:

What turmoil are you talking about? Those, who don't wish to see progress of the State are either enemies of the State or those, who were hurt by these reforms because of their lack of merits, and about them I made my message.
Primitive despite is not always bad. It stimulates to work better, than your opponent. It stimulates to fight fiercer. This is a driving force too, this is a mean for acquiring strength. And will to win. Do you want to end this war, soldier? Then crush the enemy as soon as possible. Do not feel mercy. DESPISE THEM!


I can understand your train of thought. Wars are fought by soldiers, not leaders, so it's in their best interest to win, because it won't be the leadership who'll suffer when things go awry.
We, the Honor Guard, are fighting on behalf of the State and its people. We've decided to focus on Black Rise, not just to do our part, but also to help and alleviate the damage inflicted onto our sovereign space. Our mission is patriotic, and nothing else. Having you and your sort doubting our resolve just because we're no blueshirt yes-men is pathetic and just a prime example why Heth's populistic leadership is one of the prime demerits in itself - it fuels fanaticism and clouds the judgement of his followers. He wanted to root out nepotism and yet you're discarding the opinions and deeds of others just because they're not subscribing to your own propaganda fueled view of the world. Just join the family, eh?

Not Heth, nor the CPD but blind and fanatical Provists like you are the problem.
When the day comes where you duties aren't needed anymore I'll have a nice cup of tea waiting for you - If you have any sense of honor left

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Ilsenae Alexandros
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-06-15 13:48:49 UTC
Jutashi Igunen wrote:
Hoshisuuvi wrote:
So, how is the fight going over in SAK?

Why do you attack me? In SAK I work as teacher, this is a noble profession, do not make fun of teaching. I contribute to Caldari state in different way to you, but I do not make fun of you??


Oh no, I knew your name looked familiar.

Look that dorm fire was not my fault okay? I had really terrible roommates trying to distill their own Hak'len. They weren't even my friends!

To know the face of God is to know madness.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-06-15 13:54:55 UTC
Ilsenae Alexandros wrote:
Jutashi Igunen wrote:
Hoshisuuvi wrote:
So, how is the fight going over in SAK?

Why do you attack me? In SAK I work as teacher, this is a noble profession, do not make fun of teaching. I contribute to Caldari state in different way to you, but I do not make fun of you??


Oh no, I knew your name looked familiar.

Look that dorm fire was not my fault okay? I had really terrible roommates trying to distill their own Hak'len. They weren't even my friends!


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#40 - 2012-06-15 14:38:54 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Kalaratiri wrote:
Jutashi Igunen wrote:
Through unity there is strength


The rest of your post aside, you might want to rephrase that.

The last time that line was blared proudly across the IGS, it heralded the resurgence of the Sansha.

Not something you may wish your views to be associated with.

Sansha's true slaves are just flesh drones, who are working for their "drone mother". This is not a true unity, just a shared program.
Our WILL and HATRED makes every of us stronger than a number of sanshas.


Hatred should not be the foundation of your will. Surely even you can work out why.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

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