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Goonswarm Behavioral Correction Initiative: Hulkageddon Infinity, Jr. League

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Ashrik Tyr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#301 - 2012-06-15 04:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashrik Tyr
Maddy Joringer wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
Short story.

Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months.


What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand.


And pigs can fly..

so basically you don't play eve much , but have to accuse players of being imbeciles despite the short experience u had..
Whoz the bigger Imbecile ...

The players he described and you. How small minded someone must be to read that anecdote and describe the teller, and not the subjects who stood around losing ships, as the imbeciles. Let's see- one got to blow up and salvage ships. The other got to lose ships and still didn't react effectively. Hmmmmm this is tough.

You obviously have a weird fixation and obsession with Hulkageddon Infinity and Goonswarm. I think you should do something about it.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#302 - 2012-06-15 04:00:29 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
Short story.

Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months. Yesterday I thought, what the hell I have a bunch of thrashers here, may as well blow them on some mackinaws. Ice belts are empty these days though, but soon enough I find two macks and orca mining away. Didn't even bother to scan them and just warped in with a thrasher and opened on one. He went down very easy. Hardly surprising since he had no midslot modules. After all this time, people still mine like that.

So I go back to jump into another thrasher while my alt is watching cloaked, keeping the warp in point warm. The guy continues pod mining. About 20 minutes later, the other mackinaw pilot starts smacking in russian and the pod warps out. While I'm en route with a new thrasher, 12 jumps, the pod returns with a brand new mack. Lol Everyone still in the same spot. They not even mining. I see no laser effects. Finally, the thrasher arrives and I pop the other mack. Don't want to be accused of picking on one pilot. Roll Also, no tank. Managed to kill his pod too.

My alt travels 5 jumps to get a salvager module. I wasn't really prepared. Come back, salvage the wrecks. The guys are still there. If I had time I would have returned with another thrasher but I couldn't be bothered.


What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand.


Awesome.

I've never ganked anyone, and I don't plan to. Just not interested, but I don't feel bad for anyone who gets ganked, be it a lazy afk miner or someone meticulously watching the screen and aligned to warp out fitting a decent tank. Getting blown up happens, this is Eve.

Whatever the reason GW is blowing up Hulks is irrelevant. Hell, if I had my way, Hulkageddon would cover all miners everywhere until goons were the only ones able to mine at all. The only thing that matters to the miners out there is that we are doing it, and they need to find a way to deal with that. Whining to CCP is one way to go, but it really is a lot more fun to just play the game instead of begging for divine intervention while doing nothing differently.

Eve is a rough game, and the strong survive. Sorry, but in the Eve world, might makes right. If miners want to mine safely, its time to make a corp in low or nullsec for them, and to put together defense fleets and intel channels. And rest assured, goons will **** with all that too.

Of course, pubbie corps and alliances are so often so unstable and corrupt, this might well be impossible, but that's really your problem, not ours. You guys have really got to learn to stop ******* each other over so much and actually learn to work together.

But seriously, stop whining for CCP to play the game for you. They've made it pretty clear they aren't going to stop us. We are playing the game within the rules, at least by their judgement, so why don't you all do so as well? For all the hate we get, we're among the few really playing the game anymore.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#303 - 2012-06-15 04:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
Aramatheia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Aramatheia wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Aramatheia wrote:


nice fit, might copy paste that one, not sure where all my fitting power was going, t2 strips perhaps? or do they eat same attributes? I'm not immune to learning, im happy to learn, I have spent the past month training shield skills to max and training repper drones and shield boosting on my alt.


T2 is generally harder on fittings. With the implant, that fits fairly easily, I think. Didn't check by how much it fits. If you can get shield gang links from an Orca (or better yet, a Tengu), you'll have so much more tank.

Rep drones and Active tanking are not the way to go for tanking/avoiding ganks. Buffer and real RR (from a ship, like an Osprey) is the creamy goodness.


gang links thats what i meant, im currently training the siege warfare skill on my orca alt, it will fly the harmonization gang link once im siege link spec 4 or whatever the true skill name is lol (i'll train to lvl 5 as well but i'll feel "safe" enough in space once lvl 4)

Come to think of it everthing fitted to my covetor was t2 (except rigs) and i know what the cpu gulper was now.. yup, yield booster lol. I bet if i take that off my fittings flexibility would go all crazy like. Of course within 2 days i'll be ready to launch my hulk anyway (could do it now even but im patient) so covetor tanking is kind of moot lol. Is tengu a better booster than say, a command ship? i was also thinking of training my alt into command ships but i wont if theres better alternatives /shrug


Command ships give a 3%/level bonus to their respective boosting. T3s give a 5%/level bonus.

You'll also have to tank your hulk. You'll actually have to tank your Hulk much better, because the income from ganking it is higher, so you can spend more to gank it and still turn a profit.


yeah my hulk is fitted with invulns a shield extender and has core defence field extender or something rigs. Wow go me for forgetting the name of stuff. Prior to getting shield management to 5 i was 19.7k hp or something with 70+ resists across the board. I have since gotten that skill maxed and further shield capacity from siege warfare skill on my alt while training exhumers to 4 (finishes soon). By the time im siege warfare spec 5 i'll be exhumers 5 too and short of putting money into expensive top end implants will be hard pressed furthering my tank i think (im never fitting expensive mods onto something as weak as a mining ship lol).


Look at all this effort just to shoot at veldspar. Just get into (or start) a well defended mining corp and fit out your hulk for max yield in low or null sec.

I mean, yeah, sometimes we have to mine veld or spod, but that's just to pop the belt so a new one spawns loaded with ark and mercoxit.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#304 - 2012-06-15 04:14:51 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Aramatheia wrote:

yeah my hulk is fitted with invulns a shield extender and has core defence field extender or something rigs. Wow go me for forgetting the name of stuff. Prior to getting shield management to 5 i was 19.7k hp or something with 70+ resists across the board. I have since gotten that skill maxed and further shield capacity from siege warfare skill on my alt while training exhumers to 4 (finishes soon). By the time im siege warfare spec 5 i'll be exhumers 5 too and short of putting money into expensive top end implants will be hard pressed furthering my tank i think (im never fitting expensive mods onto something as weak as a mining ship lol).


Look at all this effort just to shoot at veldspar. Just get into (or start) a well defended mining corp and fit out your hulk for max yield in low or null sec.

I mean, yeah, sometimes we have to mine veld or spod, but that's just to pop the belt so a new one spawns loaded with ark and mercoxit.


on the brightside it means if i find some corp thats right for me in good time then i'll have another skillset well and trully established, i wont have to be buying books and spending months to train and prepare (I also have logi 5 and fly a scimi and have a loki with t2 autocannons) I'm just giving myself a non combat option as well. I also have the basics trained for combat probing but need to train more and learn more for it.

The only thing in eve i have ever done half assed was incursions. I flew t1 ships with meta 4 fits baring the obvious shield mods and dcu. Untill i finally got my scimi that is, but then it has meta 4 tracking links even. If some big null alliance said they really wanted me fore logi ops or mining.. it might be enough to break me off from my current industrial cooperation. Who knows. All i know is im making sure that im the best i can be at what im currently doing and as unsavoury looking for gankers along the way lol
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#305 - 2012-06-15 04:29:15 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Aramatheia wrote:

yeah my hulk is fitted with invulns a shield extender and has core defence field extender or something rigs. Wow go me for forgetting the name of stuff. Prior to getting shield management to 5 i was 19.7k hp or something with 70+ resists across the board. I have since gotten that skill maxed and further shield capacity from siege warfare skill on my alt while training exhumers to 4 (finishes soon). By the time im siege warfare spec 5 i'll be exhumers 5 too and short of putting money into expensive top end implants will be hard pressed furthering my tank i think (im never fitting expensive mods onto something as weak as a mining ship lol).


Look at all this effort just to shoot at veldspar. Just get into (or start) a well defended mining corp and fit out your hulk for max yield in low or null sec.

I mean, yeah, sometimes we have to mine veld or spod, but that's just to pop the belt so a new one spawns loaded with ark and mercoxit.


on the brightside it means if i find some corp thats right for me in good time then i'll have another skillset well and trully established, i wont have to be buying books and spending months to train and prepare (I also have logi 5 and fly a scimi and have a loki with t2 autocannons) I'm just giving myself a non combat option as well. I also have the basics trained for combat probing but need to train more and learn more for it.

The only thing in eve i have ever done half assed was incursions. I flew t1 ships with meta 4 fits baring the obvious shield mods and dcu. Untill i finally got my scimi that is, but then it has meta 4 tracking links even. If some big null alliance said they really wanted me fore logi ops or mining.. it might be enough to break me off from my current industrial cooperation. Who knows. All i know is im making sure that im the best i can be at what im currently doing and as unsavoury looking for gankers along the way lol


Can't argue with that.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#306 - 2012-06-15 04:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Maddy Joringer
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
Short story.

Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months. Yesterday I thought, what the hell I have a bunch of thrashers here, may as well blow them on some mackinaws. Ice belts are empty these days though, but soon enough I find two macks and orca mining away. Didn't even bother to scan them and just warped in with a thrasher and opened on one. He went down very easy. Hardly surprising since he had no midslot modules. After all this time, people still mine like that.

So I go back to jump into another thrasher while my alt is watching cloaked, keeping the warp in point warm. The guy continues pod mining. About 20 minutes later, the other mackinaw pilot starts smacking in russian and the pod warps out. While I'm en route with a new thrasher, 12 jumps, the pod returns with a brand new mack. Lol Everyone still in the same spot. They not even mining. I see no laser effects. Finally, the thrasher arrives and I pop the other mack. Don't want to be accused of picking on one pilot. Roll Also, no tank. Managed to kill his pod too.

My alt travels 5 jumps to get a salvager module. I wasn't really prepared. Come back, salvage the wrecks. The guys are still there. If I had time I would have returned with another thrasher but I couldn't be bothered.


What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand.


Awesome.

I've never ganked anyone, and I don't plan to. Just not interested, but I don't feel bad for anyone who gets ganked, be it a lazy afk miner or someone meticulously watching the screen and aligned to warp out fitting a decent tank. Getting blown up happens, this is Eve.

Whatever the reason GW is blowing up Hulks is irrelevant. Hell, if I had my way, Hulkageddon would cover all miners everywhere until goons were the only ones able to mine at all. The only thing that matters to the miners out there is that we are doing it, and they need to find a way to deal with that. Whining to CCP is one way to go, but it really is a lot more fun to just play the game instead of begging for divine intervention while doing nothing differently.

Eve is a rough game, and the strong survive. Sorry, but in the Eve world, might makes right. If miners want to mine safely, its time to make a corp in low or nullsec for them, and to put together defense fleets and intel channels. And rest assured, goons will **** with all that too.

Of course, pubbie corps and alliances are so often so unstable and corrupt, this might well be impossible, but that's really your problem, not ours. You guys have really got to learn to stop ******* each other over so much and actually learn to work together.

But seriously, stop whining for CCP to play the game for you. They've made it pretty clear they aren't going to stop us. We are playing the game within the rules, at least by their judgement, so why don't you all do so as well? For all the hate we get, we're among the few really playing the game anymore.


IF the why's don't matter soo mucg. Can you plz ask your corpmates to stop making flashy hulkagaddon threads. Especially the thread starter Lol

that last line.. is soo ********..is soo damned ********..not even funny. Gosh this elitist attitude of some goon folks in here .. What?
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#307 - 2012-06-15 04:49:26 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
Maddy Joringer wrote:
InternetSpaceship wrote:
Ludi Burek wrote:
Short story.

Being busy with RL, I hardly played eve during the last few months. Yesterday I thought, what the hell I have a bunch of thrashers here, may as well blow them on some mackinaws. Ice belts are empty these days though, but soon enough I find two macks and orca mining away. Didn't even bother to scan them and just warped in with a thrasher and opened on one. He went down very easy. Hardly surprising since he had no midslot modules. After all this time, people still mine like that.

So I go back to jump into another thrasher while my alt is watching cloaked, keeping the warp in point warm. The guy continues pod mining. About 20 minutes later, the other mackinaw pilot starts smacking in russian and the pod warps out. While I'm en route with a new thrasher, 12 jumps, the pod returns with a brand new mack. Lol Everyone still in the same spot. They not even mining. I see no laser effects. Finally, the thrasher arrives and I pop the other mack. Don't want to be accused of picking on one pilot. Roll Also, no tank. Managed to kill his pod too.

My alt travels 5 jumps to get a salvager module. I wasn't really prepared. Come back, salvage the wrecks. The guys are still there. If I had time I would have returned with another thrasher but I couldn't be bothered.


What's the point of this story? To show what kind of imbeciles people are screaming in outrage about protecting. How the **** anyone can have sympathy for these creatures, I cannot understand.


Awesome.

I've never ganked anyone, and I don't plan to. Just not interested, but I don't feel bad for anyone who gets ganked, be it a lazy afk miner or someone meticulously watching the screen and aligned to warp out fitting a decent tank. Getting blown up happens, this is Eve.

Whatever the reason GW is blowing up Hulks is irrelevant. Hell, if I had my way, Hulkageddon would cover all miners everywhere until goons were the only ones able to mine at all. The only thing that matters to the miners out there is that we are doing it, and they need to find a way to deal with that. Whining to CCP is one way to go, but it really is a lot more fun to just play the game instead of begging for divine intervention while doing nothing differently.

Eve is a rough game, and the strong survive. Sorry, but in the Eve world, might makes right. If miners want to mine safely, its time to make a corp in low or nullsec for them, and to put together defense fleets and intel channels. And rest assured, goons will **** with all that too.

Of course, pubbie corps and alliances are so often so unstable and corrupt, this might well be impossible, but that's really your problem, not ours. You guys have really got to learn to stop ******* each other over so much and actually learn to work together.

But seriously, stop whining for CCP to play the game for you. They've made it pretty clear they aren't going to stop us. We are playing the game within the rules, at least by their judgement, so why don't you all do so as well? For all the hate we get, we're among the few really playing the game anymore.


IF the why's don't matter soo mucg. Can you plz ask your corpmates to stop making flashy hulkagaddon threads. Especially the thread starter Lol

that last line.. is soo ********..is soo damned ********..not even funny. Gosh this elitist attitude of some goon folks in here .. What?


Why would they stop? The threads routinely get 10-20 pages, if not far longer. They are clearly noticed and we garner a lot of attention for an event that means a lot of profit for the corp.

Also, I don't really have much say over what my corpmates do. I can assure you that we don't post with alts nearly as much as everyone claims we do.

As for the last line, sorry, but just look at the sheer number of people begging CCP to alter the game itself so they don't have to change their playstyle. The way they deal with challenges in the game is by begging the devs to overcome the challenges for them.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Betrinna Cantis
#308 - 2012-06-15 05:17:50 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Betrinna Cantis wrote:

The people that are ganking have carebear alts. Tell me that is not true....P


It's not true.

(You didn't ask for proof, nor honesty)

Touche'

Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares.....
Maddy Joringer
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#309 - 2012-06-15 05:19:52 UTC


Quote:
Why would they stop? The threads routinely get 10-20 pages, if not far longer. They are clearly noticed and we garner a lot of attention for an event that means a lot of profit for the corp.


Count the amount of goon posters in this thread and tell my why it reaches 20 pages

Quote:
Also, I don't really have much say over what my corpmates do. I can assure you that we don't post with alts nearly as much as everyone claims we do.


Sure you dont.. looking at some posts .. you can clearly see they are posting for the heck of it

Quote:
As for the last line, sorry, but just look at the sheer number of people begging CCP to alter the game itself so they don't have to change their playstyle. The way they deal with challenges in the game is by begging the devs to overcome the challenges for them.


Don't generelise the entire section of miners just coz , half dozen people decided to whine to CCP..bad example ..
Am not the kind of person who likes killing people and ruining their game just for the lolz...Maybe u folks do..but not me..so i dont understand that bit...never will... I just don't understand the mentality of killing miners out of all the things u can do in eve.. clearly asking you folks to leave new players alone is impossible..
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#310 - 2012-06-15 05:22:13 UTC
Betrinna Cantis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Betrinna Cantis wrote:

The people that are ganking have carebear alts. Tell me that is not true....P


It's not true.

(You didn't ask for proof, nor honesty)

Touche'


Honestly, I'm quite sure that some* gankers have no alts (or at least no primarily income generating, non-pvp ones).

*not to imply a large or small number, simply a non-zero one, since I don't care to make any attempt to find out numbers

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Herr Hammer Draken
#311 - 2012-06-15 05:59:48 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
Maddy Joringer wrote:

Soo people are supposed to play the game the way you like ?


And in relation to that. I will play it however I like. If I want to blow up mining barges I have as much right to do so as you do to play the game however you want. If you don't like it... stop me.


How exactly how am i supposed to stop your alt from destroying a mining barge which is basically made of paper ? Once u attack a mining barge..its dead... ITS defenseless !! Do you understand the meaning of Helplessness/defenselessness. You cant stop something like this. Its impossible. If its possible tell me.. plz to tell me how to tank a retriever/covetor...

Attacking a community of new players which use mining barges which in no way can fight back is bullying. AM all for banning bots... but Bots got nothing to do with this

if you really wanted to ban bots you would report them to GM,s . only thing i see here is Mitani's over inflated ego .. Lol


I do report bots to GMs. I have filed a botting petition for every single miner I have ever blown up with the exception of those that try to flee the moment my catalyst hits the belt. Those folks are actually at their keyboards.

To date I have not managed to gank a single mining battleship or cruiser. If you are having difficulties in having your barge blown up, perhaps you should try one of those. Any T1 Battleship capable of fitting seven or more miners pulls in nearly the same yield as a Covetor. Ospreys and Scythes are nearly free while still sucking down ridiculous quantities of ore. It really isn't my fault that you're taking no measure to protect yourself. Mindless whining, contrary to what you might think, doesn't actually protect your barge.

And look at those two posts above mine that have all sorts of great ideas in them as well. But don't let those tips get in the way of your bitching.


Mining cruisers are easy to gank if you grief them by can flipping. Then you do not even lose your ship. This activity is happening all the time all over EVE as noobs get can fliped and griefed and bam lose the cruiser. And the goons are not even sponsoring this.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#312 - 2012-06-15 06:02:57 UTC  |  Edited by: No More Heroes
I was stunned and amazed this evening as a couple of my bros were lining up a gank on a Covetor and his Itty hauler and the guy was aligned and warped out as they landed. Like he had been using his D-Scanner and saw them coming. The behaviour correction is working!

.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#313 - 2012-06-15 06:04:28 UTC
Tarsus Zateki wrote:
I do report bots to GMs. I have filed a botting petition for every single miner I have ever blown up with the exception of those that try to flee the moment my catalyst hits the belt. Those folks are actually at their keyboards.

Actually, I thought bots were a lot more capable at warping out when a (destroyer) warps in than players are...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#314 - 2012-06-15 06:06:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
For every 10 mining barges - covetors, retrievers, and procurers - you gank, you will be reimbursed 25 million isk.

Great offer form +5 to -10.00 in less than a day and you offer only 25mil isk ? I want know how meny idiots fall onto this super idea . Personaly i prefer lose my sec status to afk industral pilots while better chance for nice profit than lose sec status to poor miner who mining in t1 barge.

Oh wait who care about sec status... Simple answer, almost all people who living in empire even those who hate miners, exept those who already are pirates with very low sec status.

Ps. Your ally offer reimbursed for kiling holy bantams?
PPs. Welcome in EvE online new expansions caled "power of alts" because mains are brainwashed by gonswarm.
Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#315 - 2012-06-15 08:16:45 UTC
InternetSpaceship wrote:
For all the hate we get, we're among the few really playing the game anymore.


As mentioned above that's very elitist or even arrogant - be sure to keep playing to your high standards or you will look silly one day... Roll

Just having joined EVE a couple of weeks ago I don't have any business with Goons. Yes, from what I read you seem to be the schoolyard bullies nowaddays (as obviously was BoB back then, though you propably won't like being compared to them *grin*), but from what I read you weren't always in this position, you were the underdogs when you started and did even look severely beaten at one time. But you stayed, organized, fought back, and with funny and good ideas and some luck you earned the position you are in now, and that deserves respect in my opinion.

Though, it does make a difference if you were there during the tough times or just joined when the fight was over and you could sit down at a rich table - in the latter case you should be much more careful with an elitist attitude, because you still have to show that you are able to clench your teeth.

Regarding the "Junior Hulkageddon": Ofc I went the typical newbie way and thought it would be great to be independent from market-changes. So I got this plan to make my own 30 Rifters with selfmade Autocannons II. Bought the BP and the skillbooks, started R&D missions etc. A couple of days and I will be done.

And ofc I got a Retriever (which doesn't change my newbie-status, RubyPorto) to get my own ore - remember, I want to be independent. From an ISK/h point of view, as I know now, that propably was a stupid idea. But I still like the feeling to blow up my own Rifters soon and consider it emergent gameplay.

If I lose that Retriever (and I guess the chances just increased *grin*) I guess I will modify my plan - it won't make me quit EVE (why should it? in every guide I read everyone reminded me that I will lose any ship I have one day anyway, so why should my Retriever survive?). But I will buy the ore from the market then, I don't think I will bother to get a new mining barge. Though I will have a small feeling of loss then (or maybe it's just the stubborness to need to change a plan).

TDLR: Goons are arrogant and elitist, but (most) have worked for it. Not every newbie will leave EVE when his Retriever gets blown up.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#316 - 2012-06-15 08:35:17 UTC
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:
InternetSpaceship wrote:
For all the hate we get, we're among the few really playing the game anymore.


As mentioned above that's very elitist or even arrogant - be sure to keep playing to your high standards or you will look silly one day... Roll

Just having joined EVE a couple of weeks ago I don't have any business with Goons. Yes, from what I read you seem to be the schoolyard bullies nowaddays (as obviously was BoB back then, though you propably won't like being compared to them *grin*),


eh.

Quote:

but from what I read you weren't always in this position, you were the underdogs when you started and did even look severely beaten at one time. But you stayed, organized, fought back, and with funny and good ideas and some luck you earned the position you are in now, and that deserves respect in my opinion.


My point is largely that we got where we are not by whining for CCP to continually change the game to suit our playstyle, but by changing our playstyle to suit the game. These days its all "Ban gankers, make empire no-pvp, buff hulks, wah wah" bullshit. No one wants to play the game, they just want CCP to change it around them so they don't have to do anything to adapt, and eve is all about adapting.

Quote:

Though, it does make a difference if you were there during the tough times or just joined when the fight was over and you could sit down at a rich table - in the latter case you should be much more careful with an elitist attitude, because you still have to show that you are able to clench your teeth.


This particular character? No, but I've been in and out of goonswarm/fleet/waffe since about 2007-2008. Not that it's at all relevant.

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TDLR: Goons are arrogant and elitist, but (most) have worked for it. Not every newbie will leave EVE when his Retriever gets blown up.


I do like this. People seem to forget that goons get ganked too. It's just a part of the game. Ragequitting over it is probably a good thing, because if losing ships in Eve sets you off, this game is a fast path to a heart attack. We'll never stop mocking pubbies, but we'll really cut down on it once they stop bitching to CCP every time something comes up in the game that they don't want to have to deal with and actually make an effort to deal with it themselves.

I mean, for all the people who hate goons so much they want CCP to straight out ban us from the game, how many have set up a corp to capitalize on that and bring all those people together to bring us down within the game itself? That would be awesome, but no one does it. I mean, such a corp would greatly outnumber us and surely drive us out of the game permanently. They still don't do it.

They are perfectly willing to come here though and whine and cry about how mean the goons are and how we should all be banned. That's what I mean by people not being willing to play the game. Goons are a challenge, and the only response to that challenge so far has been crying to CCP to remove it for them. What am I supposed to think?

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Yolanta Geezenstack
GWA Corp
#317 - 2012-06-15 10:47:08 UTC
Hehe, thanks for restrained response to my somewhat insulting post, InternetSpaceship. :)

I absolutely agree with you - even though I don't hold any grudge against Goonswarm I would join an alliance that really tries to kick you out of your system, just for the fun of it. It's always more fun to be the underdog - if you lose, nothing is lost, everybody was expecting it. But if you win, you are a super-hero. Roll

The problem might be, that most of the players that LIVE that game, that devote a great chunk of their time to this game and that could be the ones to pull such an alliance, are already in your alliance - which isn't an accusation: Ofc someone devoted to EVE will like to have like-minded people around him/her.

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining. I wish there was such an alliance and we would have something like the "Great War" or the "Second Great War" again and this time I would play my tiny part in that - that are e-moments to remember. But you don't expect an EVE-newb to start something like that, do you? What?

Well, maybe when I am lucky someday we will see some ego-clashing in Goonswarm - "Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky, it slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy". Twisted
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#318 - 2012-06-15 10:47:59 UTC
The only problem I have with any of this is that it's taking away from my sweet, sweet DayZ action.

Hello, hello again.
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#319 - 2012-06-15 12:13:31 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
Yolanta Geezenstack wrote:

Well, maybe when I am lucky someday we will see some ego-clashing in Goonswarm - "Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky, it slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy". Twisted


Wouldn't be the first time. Or we could forget to pay the bills again, or the Mittani could just go "**** goons" and just leave with everything. Wouldn't be the first time for that either, its almost a tradition for our leaders.

And no, I wouldn't expect a newbie to lead the fight against us, but there are plenty of vets with seething goon hatred that very well could and should.

Obviously I can't speak for everyone in my corp, but I think most would be quite happy with a server-wide war against us. Lots of attention, good challenge, and something to do outside of roams and POS shooting.

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Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#320 - 2012-06-15 12:48:11 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Peta Michalek wrote:
I knew that the whole technetium monopoly theory was way too logical and reasonable.

It really is all about waving your e-***** around, isn't it.


Economy 101:

- You kill many T2 miner ships and get rich with Technetium

- Enough miners smarten up and switch to T1. You don't get as much rich with Technetium any more.

- You put pressure on T1 ships so part of miners return buying T2: you get rich with Technetium again.


In what universe does it make sense that continued cheap ship losses immediately make you switch to something far more expensive.