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Radar site Changes? Will they Happen?
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Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#1 - 2012-06-15 04:10:35 UTC
Mind you iv only recently started doing profession sites but after just a few i see a massive gap between that of mag sites and radar sites. I was warned off from radar sites being nothing but a waste of time and thought, oh they are just qqing but it turns out they were right. I think the Only radar site in which iv goten more isk in loot than rat bounties had to have been when i got one of the new shield booster module bpcs. Other than that you get a tiny amount of datacores, Interface devices and the peices to build them which are ussualy not worth the time to haul. One time I got a 2 run t2 energy grid rig bpc but that was it.

So i have to ask are there any plans to buff these sites? They seem like a giant waste of time and could def use somthing to sweaten the deal, Maby more datacores? Random T2 BPCs that relate to the race whos space the site is in, Somthing to motivate people to do them, I dont think iv met one person down here in null who wastes time running them besides me, and i do it for the glimmer of a hope somthing nice will drop.
Flakey Foont
#2 - 2012-06-15 04:31:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Flakey Foont
I have not heard anything.
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#3 - 2012-06-15 04:47:04 UTC
Flakey Foont wrote:
I have not heard anything.



I know nothings been said but im asking will it ever be addressed?
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#4 - 2012-06-15 05:52:50 UTC
Radar sites are actually pretty decent overall TBH, why exactly do you think they need to be buffed?
Jin Tall
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-15 06:52:14 UTC
Exploration is feast or famine. I would say that you've simply been having a string of bad luck. Move outside of your normal route and explore a different region.

Also, I have never ever heard of anyone telling someone to avoid radar sites. Ever. I think someone was trying to mislead you.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#6 - 2012-06-15 06:59:42 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
One time I got a 2 run t2 energy grid rig bpc but that was it.


You got that from a mag site.

Radar income is in decryptors. And honestly it's pretty decent. Better than mags on average.
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#7 - 2012-06-15 08:08:35 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Zetaomega333 wrote:
One time I got a 2 run t2 energy grid rig bpc but that was it.


You got that from a mag site.

Radar income is in decryptors. And honestly it's pretty decent. Better than mags on average.



I got it from a radar site. The decryptors are worth almost nothing, maby 1-5 mill a peice and maby the 11 million one but besides that its a small amount of datacores and interface blueprints. Where as mag sites has the chance to drop large amounts of valuable t2 salvage

Also mind you im not doing exploration in empire im doing nullsec sites. The available loot for radar is just overall extremly less worthwhile than mag sites as a whole.

The reintroduction of say faction pos module bpcs or more t2 bpcs dropping would be nice, But overall compared to mag sites they arnt worth running for a measly maby 20 million if your lucky.
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#8 - 2012-06-15 08:21:59 UTC
Truth of the matter is that null radars are very poor. Funny thing is that I usually got more from hisec/lowsec radars then null sec ones.

Null radars could really use a buff. They are usually harder to do than mags and the payout difference is huge.

Adding some special BPCs would be great.
Alternatively they could increase datacore/decryptor drops while decreasing those drops for hisec ( amount of decryptors in hisec is outrageous, usually I get more decryptors in hi than low or null )
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-06-15 08:41:40 UTC
Null-sec Radars should have a chance to drop bookmarks to the nearest DED site Officer spawn in the region.



...what? Don't look at me like that!
Mnemosyne Gloob
#10 - 2012-06-15 09:01:07 UTC
Yeah, first time i scanned in null i was like 'ooh a radar' - after a while i usually didn't bother with them much.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-06-15 09:11:35 UTC
So you're saying is, that the only time you bother to run Radars, is when I'm trying to run them?
Mnemosyne Gloob
#12 - 2012-06-15 09:48:30 UTC
St Mio wrote:
So you're saying is, that the only time you bother to run Radars, is when I'm trying to run them?


Preemtively even :P
Sir Livingston
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-06-15 17:52:41 UTC
This reads like a "not enough loot for my effort" thread :/
sites dropping more loot wont fix your issue unless you're just looking for a temporary increase to your wallet

supply and demand

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Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#14 - 2012-06-15 19:11:50 UTC
Sir Livingston wrote:
This reads like a "not enough loot for my effort" thread :/
sites dropping more loot wont fix your issue unless you're just looking for a temporary increase to your wallet

supply and demand


Supply and demand have nothing to do with it, The loot tables for nullsec radar sites are terrible, on average you get more in bounties than loot, this seems just a bit off compared to the earning potential in mag sites. Faction pos mod bpcs would fix this but god knows when we will see those again.
Hans Tesla
RigWerks Incorporated
#15 - 2012-06-15 19:45:26 UTC
Kind of interesting since it is almost the complete opposite of how Radar and Mag sites work in Hi-Sec. I thought the original post was a troll until he later clarified that he was talking about Null/Low.

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nomadroaming
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-16 21:14:39 UTC  |  Edited by: nomadroaming
For the last 2 months I have done dozens of Radar and Mag sites, all in null sec. I was told at first not to bother with Mags' but to do Radar. Ignored that and am doing both.

My biggest score was a Mag site which dropped 150 mil, mostly in Power Circuits.

Recent Radar dropped about 115 mil, but I still have to sell the blueprint, which should raise 100 mil, (actually sold for 125mil) so fingers crossed.

I frequently get drops of 50-80 mil, mainly from Mags', Radar are usually under the 50 mil mark.

Up until today I would have been dissapointed with any site that dropped less than 30 mil.

I never salvage rat wrecks or pick up loot from them, the reward is just not worth the effort when I am getting regular 30 mil payouts from the site alone. Often leave with rats still running around, not worth the time and effort popping them.

Radar sites drop "Engagement Plans" - 9 mil, "Stolen Formulae" - 10 mil +, "collision measurement" - 12 mil, and "Test Reports" - 13 mil.

Power circuits are the best thing that Mag's drop, each one being about 5 mil. Pick up 30 of them from one site and your having a very good day.

All until today, must have done 15 mag sites, not one power circuit and have not made anything above 5 mil from any of them.

So, today asside, don't understand the quibble, is it perhaps something to do with Region? Obviously not saying where I shop, perhaps I have hit lucky.

If anyone is interseted, I use a Pilgrim solo.
Orlacc
#17 - 2012-06-16 22:28:28 UTC
I see no drop issues at all. Of course I would like more, but I accept that random is random.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Zetaomega333
High Flyers
#18 - 2012-06-16 23:04:43 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
I see no drop issues at all. Of course I would like more, but I accept that random is random.



Its nothing to do with random, The loot potential from radar sites are a pale shadow compared to mage sites.
nomadroaming
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-06-17 00:38:34 UTC
Zetaomega333 wrote:
Orlacc wrote:
I see no drop issues at all. Of course I would like more, but I accept that random is random.



Its nothing to do with random, The loot potential from radar sites are a pale shadow compared to mage sites.


In my experience, which is quite extensive now, Radar is less than Mag, but not by much, certainly not a pale shadow. Like I said, today I did crap on Mags but made up for it on Radar.

You need to sample lots of sites to get good statistics. But am happy for people to give up on Exploration, so much more for me. This Pilgrim has made about 3 billion so far, just from Mag and Radar in null sec.