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Drone Boats need love
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Tonanin
Some Guys Making Cash
#1 - 2012-06-15 03:56:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tonanin
First let me say I have been playing Eve sense 2007.

The only Drone Boats I know of in the game are Gallente ships:
Ishkur (yes and no)
Vexor
Vexor Navy Issue
Ishtar
Proteus
Myrmidon
Dominix
Dominix Navy Issue
Sin

Drone Boats are in need of love. The reason behind my thinking is this. Say I take a Vexor against a ship of same class and I’m fitted to be a Drone Boat so speed, tracking/damage and range modules on my ship and are using Railguns to keep range, because they normally don’t have the tank like other ships of the same class has and have an Afterburner or MWD on.

Drones themselves are not that great ether, at best can mach about one third to half the damage of same type of ships meaning, light drone to frigates, medium drone to cruisers/Battlecruisers and heavy drones to battleships. This being said if the Drone Boat doesn’t engage also, which we always do; drones would get killed faster than a NPC. But if a Drone Boat is caught, which is easy for Gallente loves armor tanks so their ships are slower than most, the ship will be killed because we are trying to stay a Drone Boat and not a knock off ship of the same class so we don’t have the tank to live through the fire power of ships of same class.

I think if we change some things like the following:

1. Up the drones able to be used in space for all ships considered Drone Boats. Meaning from 5 drones to 10 drones out without modules for Battleships and lower and 15 drones for Carriers and higher.
a. So right now Drone Boats give 50% to health and damage if ship skill is maxed at 5. Add in role bonus giving them 5 more drones in space over other ships.
b. This would give us a bit more of a fighting chance.
2. Have logical drones’ rep the controller that launched them if they are not sent to rep someone else.
a. Every ship would be able to do this, not just Drone Boats.

Any of the ships that are consider drone Boats if given a tank and guns still would loss to most other ships of the same class, we don’t hit as hard and/or have as many guns as the others would so the Drone Boat dps would be lower by almost half of other and so wouldn’t hit as hard, making the tank on the ship not a great fit. Even a Dominix with heavy drones would loss. The other ship would and always shoots drones first unless it is agreed a pond in friendly matches.
Mira Lynne
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-06-15 04:06:51 UTC
Tonanin wrote:
The only Drone Boats I know of in the game are Gallente ships

Arbitrator and T2 Variants, as well as sentinel.
Also soon to be the Sentinel's T1 Variant as well (The Crucifier)
Some of the Nastyest ships currently availible are drone boats.

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Alara IonStorm
#3 - 2012-06-15 04:16:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Tonanin wrote:
First let me say I have been playing Eve sense 2007.

The only Drone Boats I know of in the game are Gallente ships:
Ishkur (yes and no)
Vexor
Vexor Navy Issue
Ishtar
Proteus
Myrmidon
Dominix
Dominix Navy Issue
Sin

I think we should all pay attention to the Drone Boat balance idea's of someone who can't name all the Drone Boats after 5 Years.
Tonanin
Some Guys Making Cash
#4 - 2012-06-15 04:22:49 UTC
Yes I missed 3 ships, the Sentinel has a good sized bay but doesn't do anything for the drones so I wouldn't say that it is a drone boat. The others: Arbitrator and it's T2 Variants are yes, but if you make them with drone upgrades then you will be out of range for your neuts/vamps to work, you would sit around 40,000m and try to speed tank them, out of range for your neuts and vamps you would have on. You got close I don't think you would live long at all. Same problem the Vexor and it's T2 Var has.
Alara IonStorm
#5 - 2012-06-15 04:29:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Tonanin wrote:
Yes I missed 3 ships,

You missed 7 Ships on that list not 3 for a start. Not counting the Sentinel. 11 If you are counting bonuses.

Tonanin wrote:

The others: Arbitrator and it's T2 Variants are yes, but if you make them with drone upgrades then you will

Roll Okay then... ???
Seleucus Ontuas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-06-15 04:30:10 UTC
Sounds like someone hasn't heard about the new drone damage mods.
Tragedy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-06-15 04:32:57 UTC
rattlesnake, gila, worm. You missed 3 more. Not knowing the names leads me to believe you havent actually flown most of these ships. Also, drone damage mods. Thats all.
Tragedy
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-06-15 04:33:36 UTC
Seleucus Ontuas wrote:
Sounds like someone hasn't heard about the new drone damage mods.
2 seconds ahead of me with the damage mods comment xD
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-06-15 04:35:48 UTC
Gila is one of the best ships in the game, Ishtar one of the best for PVE.

Eos needs a serious revamp and Ishtar needs a role in pvp. thats about it.
Tonanin
Some Guys Making Cash
#10 - 2012-06-15 04:36:43 UTC
I wasn't counting Faction out side of Navy. And I fly Gallente only. So would only 4 Amarr ships: Arbitrator and T2 Variants and the Tech 3 cruiser.
Tonanin
Some Guys Making Cash
#11 - 2012-06-15 04:38:18 UTC
What is this new damage mod?
Seleucus Ontuas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-06-15 04:44:40 UTC
Drone Damage Amplifier;

T1 is an extra 15%
T2 is an extra 19%

Ships with Drone bonuses and a full flight of heavies can easily get 700 DPS from drones alone.
Veronica Kerrigan
Surgically Constructed L Feminist
#13 - 2012-06-15 04:44:43 UTC
rorqual is a drone ship. Technically.
Tonanin
Some Guys Making Cash
#14 - 2012-06-15 04:49:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tonanin
Seleucus Ontuas wrote:
Drone Damage Amplifier;

T1 is an extra 15%
T2 is an extra 19%

Ships with Drone bonuses and a full flight of heavies can easily get 700 DPS from drones alone.



I haven't seen them in game are they out yet? If so are they a mid slot mod? Yes 700 DPS I know drones have high dps, but the drones only do about 1/2 the damage of a Battleship with full 8 guns do.
Alara IonStorm
#15 - 2012-06-15 04:51:28 UTC
Tonanin wrote:

I haven't seen them in game are they out yet?

Yes.
Tonanin wrote:

If so are they a mid slot mod? Yes 700 DPS I know drones have high dps, but the drones only do about 1/2 the damage of a Battleship with full 8 guns do.

And the Guns do more then the other half.
Mira Lynne
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-06-15 05:13:13 UTC
Tonanin wrote:
the drones only do about 1/2 the damage of a Battleship with full 8 guns do.

Imagine that - 5 Drones do less DPS than 8 Guns.
I wonder why you can fit guns onto Drone ships...

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Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#17 - 2012-06-15 05:26:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Rel'k Bloodlor
phoon's and mega's get large drone bays, navy comets, dramiels, get lots of drones and every thing else, new drone mods, guristas ships, amar T2's, Amar T1's, carriars, supper carriers......


Ya your right no drone boatsRoll

sorry you limit your self to one race (not even just dabbling for pie ships after 4 years lol).



P.S. dude we all totally believe you didn't just buy this toon. Totally been playing sense 07

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#18 - 2012-06-15 05:32:29 UTC
Tonanin wrote:

I haven't seen them in game are they out yet? If so are they a mid slot mod? Yes 700 DPS I know drones have high dps, but the drones only do about 1/2 the damage of a Battleship with full 8 guns do.

Low slot, like every other damage mod. And 700dps isn't too shabby when you consider that many drone ships also have a bonus to guns as well. A shield gank domi can do 1800dps on heat, ffs.

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Tonanin
Some Guys Making Cash
#19 - 2012-06-15 05:39:23 UTC
Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:
Tonanin wrote:

I haven't seen them in game are they out yet? If so are they a mid slot mod? Yes 700 DPS I know drones have high dps, but the drones only do about 1/2 the damage of a Battleship with full 8 guns do.

Low slot, like every other damage mod. And 700dps isn't too shabby when you consider that many drone ships also have a bonus to guns as well. A shield gank domi can do 1800dps on heat, ffs.



Thank you for letting me know it is low slot. a shield tanked Dominix may have around 1800 dps, but I'm thinking blasters tech 2 with close ammo right? But what is the volley damage any good? Because a Orge 2 only shoots every 4 secs has a .45 tracking and tech two blasters have a 5 sec with no mods for reducing firing rate and doesn't hit hard like a Maga with blaster and a Maga has 5 heavy drones also.

P.S.
Rel'k

Yes I have been playing from 07. I'm talking about tech 1 and tech 2 ships not faction other then navy and your other thing, about me buying is wrong.
Alara IonStorm
#20 - 2012-06-15 05:49:45 UTC
Tonanin wrote:
Because a Orge 2 only shoots every 4 secs has a .45 tracking and tech two blasters have a 5 sec with no mods for reducing firing rate and doesn't hit hard like a Maga with blaster and a Maga has 5 heavy drones also.

So.

.45 is incredible Tracking. Megathron has to give up on Medium / Light / Sentry and ECM Drones with no backups to use Heavies and the ship costs 50mil more and is a higher tier.

Stop thinking 1 dimensionally. If you only thought about whether a ship is good is how it competes in one situation against one other ship with one fit type then you really, really should not mention the word balance in anything you say.
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