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Fixing Technetium

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-15 03:01:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/06/fixing-technetium.html

All the goodwill I garnered with yesterday's post, I will now fritter away with this post. I will talk about an area of the game I'm not involved with, will not likely be involved with for some time. But it is an area of the game I enjoy spectating. Nullsec sovereignty.

(tl;dr: Technetium is a depleting resource. It depletes from a region, it begins to accumulate into another region.)

I sit here in Canada, all safe and in comfort, but I still take a keen interest in what goes on well outside my borders. The uprisings in Libya. The war in Afghanistan. The near civil war in Syria. The economic crisis in Greece. Or, when he was alive, Kim Jong Il looking at things.

It's really no different with EVE Online. I enjoy reading the political situations, the battle reports, the posturing of the big alliances in nullsec. For most of the last year, the action has been squarely in the northwest, with Goonswarm taking first Branch, and then Tenal. The action was multiplied when the Russians finally decided to have a disagreement, Shadow of xXDeathXx versus Solar Fleet, and finally with Red Alliance vacating their long held space and moving to Delve with nary an argument from the folks who were living there at the time of the move.

The Russian thing is over. Russians are pretty happy to keep the status quo unless you give grave insult to boiled cabbage. Nulli Secunda doesn't have the strength to but tickle Red Alliance, and Red Alliance seems content with the tickle fight. And then OTEC happened. The northwest is now all about the brohugs.

Nullsec seems to have entered a stagnant phase.

Goonswarm and the other technetium holding alliances are content to just play buddies and reap financial reward. I'm not saying that's wrong (I might do the same were I in The Mittani's shoes), but from a spectator perspective, it's boring. It's Chinese nullsec. Everyone bitches about Goonswarm and friends holding most of the technetium supply, yet nobody seems interested in trying to take a piece of the pie for themselves. From their perspectives, who can blame them, yet from a spectator perspective, damned boring.

So, how to drive conflict? The obvious answer is to entice alliances to chase ISK. Technetium is the perfect carrot. There's nothing wrong with having one resource be more valuable than any other. The game doesn't require balance in that respect. But the game should use that resource to entice players into conflict, especially players who get too comfortable having it.

The idea is to make technetium a finite resource, rotating technetium throughout New Eden over time. You take three adjacent regions, and give them 100% of the technetium in New Eden. Working clockwise, choose another three adjacent regions. As technetium is depleted from the first three regions, it begins to accumulate in the next three regions. As technetium is mined and depleted in those next three regions, it begins appearing in another three regions, in a clockwise direction around the map. I refer to this as chasing the ISK. Those that greatly desire to control technetium, will be enticed to chase it. The have-nots, as they get it, will be encouraged to defend it. The vast amounts of ISK that can be garnered from technetium encourage people to go to war over it. It is no longer a resource they sit on.

So, for example. Let's say CCP implemented this idea. The first three regions that will hold the entirety of New Eden's technetium supply will be Fade, Pure Blind and Deklein. As the moons in those regions are mined out, technetium will begin accumulating on moons in Branch, Tenal and Tribute. As the moons in those regions are depleted, technetium will begin collecting on moons in the Vale of the Silent, Geminate and Cobalt Edge regions. So on and so forth, until eventually technetium again returns to Fade, Pure Blind and Deklein.

You can think of technetium as a comet. A core central location with the greatest concentration of technetium, and the trailing tail with ever decreasing concentrations towards its end. This comet orbits the outer regions of New Eden on an 18 or so month cycle (given average moon mining tendencies.)

It's hard to predict what the players would do with such a system, how they'd attempt to game it, but I don't foresee any sort of equilibrium evolving. If technetium isn't mined, it doesn't accumulate elsewhere. If it isn't mined, it doesn't enter the market. If it doesn't enter the market, the cost of goods requiring technetium sky rocket, which should further entice groups into war.

The idea strikes me as relatively sound, but what problems do you all foresee? How do you predict this system playing out in the reality of the game?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2 - 2012-06-15 03:03:27 UTC
What about the ring mining they are working on?

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-06-15 03:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
Alavaria Fera wrote:
What about the ring mining they are working on?

Are they working on that? Or just an idea they tossed out there? Ring mining is just two words. We have no idea what it will mean, what it will involve, how it will affect the game.

The rumour is that the Winter Expansion will deal with industry, so perhaps there are some half decent ideas in the pipe, and hopefully with an eye to driving conflict.
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-06-15 03:08:14 UTC
Very nice read.
Torneach
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-06-15 03:15:41 UTC
Well then.

Now that you've stopped ranting about E-UNI, your blog is actually worth reading.

Nice idea.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-06-15 03:17:14 UTC
If it changes in a predictable fashion, I don't think it'd accomplish anything other than encouraging already large powerblocs to simply grow larger, either by taking even more space they don't necessarily need or by increasing their blue list that much more to extend their Tech "window" that much longer. I really don't see anyone truly "chasing" after the tech, as it'd just be far too much of a pain in the ass to even find it, given how tedious and awful moon scanning is currently (and that's to say nothing of the hassle of constantly unanchoring and moving towers).

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["

Frederick Sanger
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-06-15 03:18:17 UTC
I'm hoping that the ring mining is a good solution since it has an intriguing name.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-06-15 03:18:28 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:


It's really no different with EVE Online. I enjoy reading the political situations, the battle reports, the posturing of the big alliances in nullsec. For most of the last year, the action has been squarely in the northwestl.
haha what?
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#9 - 2012-06-15 03:18:43 UTC
Give me three tech moons.

There, fixed.

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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-06-15 03:26:57 UTC
Migrating Tech will just lead to alliances "waiting their turn".

Why go fight for it, when you know that it will get mined out in a few months and eventually end up in your back yard. No one will chase it because the logistics needed to find and mine all that tech and get it to market is not something any one wants to do from scratch every 3 months.

Ultimately, everyone will be part of OTEC, and everyone will get a chance to stock up on cap ships or whatever supplies before passing its time to pass it to the left. With in a year or so, they know they'll get another chance to be filthy rich with tech again. It would be the golden age of the nullsec bropact technetium bong circle.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-06-15 03:28:12 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
I really don't see anyone truly "chasing" after the tech, as it'd just be far too much of a pain in the ass to even find it, given how tedious and awful moon scanning is currently (and that's to say nothing of the hassle of constantly unanchoring and moving towers).
I guess the tediousness of moon mining would need to be "fixed".
Trollin
Perkone
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-06-15 03:31:00 UTC
put tech in asteroid forms in belts and be done with moons, lets make everyone get their isk in barge and blow all the barge up amirite?

We are our own worst enemy.

RAP ACTION HERO
#13 - 2012-06-15 03:31:55 UTC
Your articles are improving, see what happens when you stop obsessing about eve uni.

vitoc erryday

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-06-15 03:39:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Anyways looking aside that you thought that the coalition steamrolling of a 1k member alliance in december consisted the bulk of last year's activity in 0.0 (lol), this solution to tech is pretty convoluted when the real solution is just change the moon goo bottleneck to something not so completely exclusive to a handful of regions.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-06-15 04:29:44 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
This solution to tech is pretty convoluted when the real solution is just change the moon goo bottleneck to something not so completely exclusive to a handful of regions.
You're trying to solve a market problem. I don't care about OTEC and the fact that they are driving up Tech prices. I'm trying to increase sov level conflict in nullsec.

It's perfectly fine with me if a group wants to try to corner markets. More power to them.

I'm not trying to fix technetium because of OTEC's effect on the market, I'm trying to fix technetium because of OTEC's effect on conflict in sov nullsec.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-06-15 04:34:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
What, that the north is all blued up and gay? It was like that before tech and it'll be like that if tech is removed altogether.
Plenty of sov conflict where I live, don't fix what isn't broken hth
m3rb3aSt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-06-15 04:35:25 UTC
but then whatever alliance controls the tech will just migrate with it. it doesn't really solve anything because the tech holders will still be able to hold everything.

also there is plenty of conflict in 0.0
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-06-15 04:38:36 UTC
moving technetium in circles is the most stupid idea one can think about

a one-time moon redistribution and/or the introduction of more alchemy is the key
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#19 - 2012-06-15 04:40:40 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
What about the ring mining they are working on?


Ring mining......sounds a little swishy to me
Umega
Solis Mensa
#20 - 2012-06-15 04:50:08 UTC
I like hamburgers.

Sometimes I want my hamburgers prepared a certain way, as a lot of places will cook and dress them up differently. So I'll go to the different places for what I want, I do not sit at home and get angry that the nearest places doesn't prepare them how I want.

I have a choice, sit at home and do nothing about my hamburger craving..

Or go to the place for the hamburger I want.

Thank god I have the choice to either sit around and be angry, or actually get off my ass and go get what I want.

People should have a choice, as it motivates us a species to get things accomplished.

Take that away.. life gets boring.
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