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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#21 - 2012-06-14 16:23:19 UTC
Kalli Brixzat wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
My Raven was equipped with the following:

HIGH
06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I
01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1
01 x SALVAGER I

MEDIUM
04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS
01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM
01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER

LOW
01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL
01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I
01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I
02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I

DRONES
02 x WARRIOR I DRONES
03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES

UPGRADES
01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I
01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I


lol @ the troll fit.



lol @ the no-name alt.



(FYI it is a piece of EVE history.)

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#22 - 2012-06-14 19:52:53 UTC
IIshira wrote:
I've known many pilots including myself who tried this fit and it works well.

To say "no one in the forums takes battleclinic seriously" is a bit assuming on your part. Maybe you should have said "I don't take battleclinic seriously."

BattleClinic allows people to post fits for others to vote + or - on. It's a good system unless you're of the belief that the majority in Eve are stupid and don't know what's best for them. If you feel this fit doesn't work by all means give it your - vote.

I don't like target painters because they take away from the shield tank. Yes on torps they are required but not with cruise missles. My current CNR doesn't have target painters and I have no problem with cruisers and larger ships. It does have one rigor rig but my Raven without a rigor rig doesn't have any problems. I kill frigates and destroyers with drones.

You should have T2 light drones with Drone Interfacing 4. Also missile support skills should be at 4 if you're flying a Raven. If not at least be in a fleet so you have someone to help you if you get in a tight spot.


At the end of the day you're not going to agree with this fit. I wouldn't want you to either. You found a fit that works for you.


it may work well, but other fits work better

and everyone that I remember mattering seemed to have a low opinion of battleclinic. I took a bit of a break maybe things have changed a bit, but judging from the fits I've seen on BC recently I'd say probably not...

to get the most out of cruise you do need target painters, and rigors (and of course support skills) In a raven vs a rupture (130m sig 212 m/s) with no rigors or painters you are doing 104 dps out of 561 dps (324dps when it is sitting still)... pretty big loss imo. have fun vs the jamming elite gurista cruisers.

and I will not agree with the fit and will try to persuade people against using such a fit.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-06-14 23:16:23 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:

to get the most out of cruise you do need target painters, and rigors (and of course support skills) In a raven vs a rupture (130m sig 212 m/s) with no rigors or painters you are doing 104 dps out of 561 dps (324dps when it is sitting still)... pretty big loss imo.


If your fit does more on target DPS I can see why you would prefer it. Of course it would have to be balanced by how much tank you're giving up. And yes I know the faster you kill things the less tank you need :-)

You said Raven vs Rupture it's 104 out of 561 DPS moving and 324 DPS when it is still.

Is this with standard T1 Cruise missles?

What is the DPS with target painters and rigors?

What do you use to calculate this? Is it a program or formula you do on paper?




Alara IonStorm
#24 - 2012-06-14 23:33:10 UTC
IIshira wrote:

Of course it would have to be balanced by how much tank you're giving up.

Pretty much none. Just one Capbooster makes up for all those Power Grid Mods and makes your tank more cap stable at a lower skill. It is better for newer players and older players.
IIshira wrote:

And yes I know the faster you kill things the less tank you need :-)

Cap Boosted Raven can do both.
IIshira wrote:

What is the DPS with target painters and rigors?

With one Painter and 3 Rigor's I two shot Cruisers. I don't even have time to put Hammerheads on them.

Also load your Launchers with Fury Cruise Missiles. Against NPC Battleships the EFT DPS is your actual DPS with Rigors and a Painter. I took the "your group of missiles did x amount of damage" numbers and compared them to the NPC Resists of the target on Chrukkers and Furies hit for full Damage on Battleships.

Rigor + Painter with Cap Booster is best Raven for new players and old players period.

Oh and try to stay off Battleclinic load outs. They are bad for your health.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#25 - 2012-06-15 02:44:30 UTC
IIshira wrote:
If your fit does more on target DPS I can see why you would prefer it. Of course it would have to be balanced by how much tank you're giving up. And yes I know the faster you kill things the less tank you need :-)

You said Raven vs Rupture it's 104 out of 561 DPS moving and 324 DPS when it is still.

Is this with standard T1 Cruise missles?

What is the DPS with target painters and rigors?

What do you use to calculate this? Is it a program or formula you do on paper?


I should have listed all that stuff. I used the eft damage graph, there is some big missile damage spreadsheet around somewhere but I haven't ever really played with it. it was with all level 5 skills, 4x cn bcus, 5% damage and 5% rof implants, t2 launchers, and t1 missiles. and a dash of derp, it was 184, the graph line goes right through the center of the 8 and I read it as 104

if we go with a lower fitting, lets look at the "perfect starter raven" (405 dps with 3x bcus 6x arby launchers with t1 ammo) and the "a la liang" 429 dps 4x bcu, 3x rigor, 1x pwnage, 6x arby cruise

vs the same rupture as before at speed I see 287 with rigors + painter vs 133 without. sitting still the rigots + painter does full damage at 429, without it is hitting for 234.

now vs battleships with t1/faction missiles it doesn't really matter, but the cap injector version does pick up an extra bcu so a bit of an advantage there.

vs bcs, the difference isn't as big, vs slow big ones you will hit for full damage, faster ones and rigors/painters will still hit for full damage but without painter/rigors damage starts to drop off as they get fast.

where it really really matters is with fury cruise. where without rigors you start losing damage even on big slow battleships. but I remember being a caldari newbie and shooting cruise missiles at pithum cruisers and swearing at them because I'd get a few shots off and then get jammed and they would rep up. now without rigors you can get the same experience on all elite cruisers :<

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-06-15 03:37:02 UTC
I will definitely have to test out the different fittings when I get off vacation. I can't really do it on my phone.

I've never tried T2 cruise missles in missions but I did try them for nulsec ratting and I was disappointed. Target painters helped a little but even with that I got better results with a Drake and T2 heavy missiles. Of course mission rats may be totally different than nulsec belt rats.
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