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The Amarr factional war is over.

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Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Templis CALSF
#41 - 2012-06-14 23:17:17 UTC
SaorAlba wrote:
It's the Amarr who are the slaves.

Yes you read it right. We, the Amarr are the real slaves. We are kept on a tight leash

only to open a new farm ground by taking a system for the Minmatar to harvest.
The Amarr have so few systems left that we under the current game mechanics we can't recover.

So what is left for the Amarr?

- 24th LP shop is dead. Nothing there is worth buying anymore since there are no Exclusive
24th items to get. This means I can get an navy slicer cheaper in Jita then I can get it
from my own shop!
- Plexing for LP is therefore worthless. If you do go out plexing you are mostly splitting up rewards
as the mediums and majors can't be soloed by the Amarr.
- Level 4 Faction war missions are also worthless. You can't pickup enough of
them due the loss of many systems with an l4 in it, and you can't dock to speak with the
agent.
- Plexing for tags is the only thing left. Again you find you self fighting for bones and
then you have to make it back to that special place where you are allowed to dock. Only
the medium and large are worth doing here.

To be honest. Any Amarr plexing now is a fool. Every system you take back yields the tards
another 20 bil. If you must plex then plex there key systems wich they wanne keep and will
deplex or your doing it wrong.
So what should we do. I think we should give up all our systems. We should fall back to
empire space. Let the Tards have it all.
We generate not enough income to sustain the habbit. We have no appeal to anybody coming
from outside. Tard numbers are allready skyrocketing since every farmer with half a brain
is joining them. Let the Amarr tard war die. When they have all our systems they can run
l4 missions in there stealth bombers 24/7. Fine with me, since CCP is just scratching
there asses anyway. The quicker we give it up the sooner the fix. Let it all go and lay
back. You can still do pvp. You can still dock in Amarr space.

Amarr victor, and give another 20 bil to the enemy F00Ls. Wake TF up.

Alba, over and outOops


Perhaps you should liquidate luxury assets (such as your field marshals coat). Last I saw they were valued for nearly a billion isk. That should buy a nice fleet of coercers and slicers to keep fighting the war. Big smile
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#42 - 2012-06-14 23:23:40 UTC
Super Chair wrote:
SaorAlba wrote:
It's the Amarr who are the slaves.

Yes you read it right. We, the Amarr are the real slaves. We are kept on a tight leash

only to open a new farm ground by taking a system for the Minmatar to harvest.
The Amarr have so few systems left that we under the current game mechanics we can't recover.

So what is left for the Amarr?

- 24th LP shop is dead. Nothing there is worth buying anymore since there are no Exclusive
24th items to get. This means I can get an navy slicer cheaper in Jita then I can get it
from my own shop!
- Plexing for LP is therefore worthless. If you do go out plexing you are mostly splitting up rewards
as the mediums and majors can't be soloed by the Amarr.
- Level 4 Faction war missions are also worthless. You can't pickup enough of
them due the loss of many systems with an l4 in it, and you can't dock to speak with the
agent.
- Plexing for tags is the only thing left. Again you find you self fighting for bones and
then you have to make it back to that special place where you are allowed to dock. Only
the medium and large are worth doing here.

To be honest. Any Amarr plexing now is a fool. Every system you take back yields the tards
another 20 bil. If you must plex then plex there key systems wich they wanne keep and will
deplex or your doing it wrong.
So what should we do. I think we should give up all our systems. We should fall back to
empire space. Let the Tards have it all.
We generate not enough income to sustain the habbit. We have no appeal to anybody coming
from outside. Tard numbers are allready skyrocketing since every farmer with half a brain
is joining them. Let the Amarr tard war die. When they have all our systems they can run
l4 missions in there stealth bombers 24/7. Fine with me, since CCP is just scratching
there asses anyway. The quicker we give it up the sooner the fix. Let it all go and lay
back. You can still do pvp. You can still dock in Amarr space.

Amarr victor, and give another 20 bil to the enemy F00Ls. Wake TF up.

Alba, over and outOops


Perhaps you should liquidate luxury assets (such as your field marshals coat). Last I saw they were valued for nearly a billion isk. That should buy a nice fleet of coercers and slicers to keep fighting the war. Big smile

Logic....don't speak it to the Amarr, their "god" does not approve of such things...

...
Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-06-15 00:33:07 UTC
Aya Hekki wrote:

you mean that pro elite pvper bigbigsomething that fly with 2 falcons "solo"?
yeah he is a pro and he is kicking our asses badly, the war is lost we might just pull back to high sec and let you guys take all the warzone.


We don't want all of the War Zone.

Hell- on the Amarr side there isn't really even a 'We'; there are those that do things and those that sit in a station complaining that 4 people are stopping them from LP farming (these are the same people that have alts in the Minmatar Militia to farm LP with).

Then there are those of us that are here for PvP. We don't care about systems, plexing, loyalty points or running missions; we log in to blow things up. So far- things are going better than expected; continue flying your wtfits Minmatar guys, everytime one of you die- our entire Militia laughs.

Seriously.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#44 - 2012-06-15 01:10:32 UTC
ITT: a whole lot of "oh, you say there's some fundamental problem with this newly revamped feature? That just means you're not HARDCORE ENOUGH / STUFFED ENOUGH WITH BULLSHIT." I am again a bad demotivational person for correctly blaming CCP for a situation that the Minmatar are too terrible to have been able to legitimately secure for themselves.

At some point, you have to start saying things because those things are true, and avoid saying other things because those other things are not true. This actually has ******* nothing to do with how positive you are about militia efforts, or how you try to motivate people, both in real life where situations can actually get pretty bad but especially in EVE where we're all immortals and big explosions are most of the point. Especially when the 'defeatist' "**** this whole feature, let's just base from highsec and kill them" is a speech that ends with the motivational words 'kill them'. Or the even more defeatist "let's just base from lowsec and kill them - we won't get faction hits if we avoid just TLF members, and only enemy faction hits for killing them, and there aren't gate guns in plexes anyway, and we've already had to work on our logistics / find alternative sources of income..."

Anyway, once again: is there any support for the tier system, as opposed to a direct connection to warzone control? Is anyone opposed to the change wherein a captured system is a benefit for your militia rather than the enemy militia? Does anyone think this mechanical problem would cease to be operative if only one militia were more successful? Does anyone think it just doesn't matter that the present feature makes people feel like chumps for working to improve their situation? I think "to not be taken for a chump" is one of the more powerful natural motivators, myself.
Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-06-15 01:20:46 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
words


You complain a lot.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#46 - 2012-06-15 01:23:50 UTC
Shylari Avada wrote:
Kuehnelt wrote:
words


You complain a lot.


And you say nothing but I'm from nullsec and what is this?, over and over and over again. Wow, you're in it just for PvP? First person ever to hold that position, I bet. Wow, you can just base outside the warzone and fly a few extra jumps? That such a thing is possible is such a revelation to me, I think you must be a divine being.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#47 - 2012-06-15 02:19:58 UTC
Nothing is Over

I've got a clone in low sec next to E. Matari space. I've got a clone in Eggh. I've got a clone in Sahtogas. I've got an alt stocking those places with ships. My spirit is not broken. I'm going to kill them all.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#48 - 2012-06-15 02:33:17 UTC
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#49 - 2012-06-15 05:16:21 UTC
chatgris wrote:
You're ignoring the very important changes upcoming: The removal of EWAR on rats on the 19th.

Once this is done, you can go out and solo opposing plexes in pvp ships just like the minmatar can.


no we still cant.

removing ewar isnt enough you dunder head.

even in our own highsec with our rats having 90% web on wartarget minmatar dramiel they can still orbit and our npcs wont lay a shot on em.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#50 - 2012-06-15 06:32:54 UTC
Amarr Militia is really a bunch of babies. I am embarrassed
CynoMonkey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-06-15 06:58:51 UTC
OP you need to analyse why you joined the militia. If its purely for the isk then you are just a mercenary and will go off and do something more profitable (I heard mining pays well these days). If you do it because your a loyal Amarr who wants to defend their way of life then get back in there and kill stuff.

Post with your monkey or GTFO
Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-06-15 10:12:56 UTC
Flyinghotpocket wrote:

no we still cant.

removing ewar isnt enough you dunder head.

even in our own highsec with our rats having 90% web on wartarget minmatar dramiel they can still orbit and our npcs wont lay a shot on em.


I would like to introduce you to the Huginn and Rapier... they do hilarious things to people speed tanking majors. (Extra Credit if you team up with a Arazu/Lachesis)

Try it out sometime.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#53 - 2012-06-15 10:15:42 UTC
Shylari Avada wrote:
Flyinghotpocket wrote:

no we still cant.

removing ewar isnt enough you dunder head.

even in our own highsec with our rats having 90% web on wartarget minmatar dramiel they can still orbit and our npcs wont lay a shot on em.


I would like to introduce you to the Huginn and Rapier... they do hilarious things to people speed tanking majors. (Extra Credit if you team up with a Arazu/Lachesis)

Try it out sometime.



You kept your cool pretty well there, I'm not sure I could handle being called a "dunder head" Cool

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2012-06-15 10:43:14 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

You kept your cool pretty well there, I'm not sure I could handle being called a "dunder head" Cool


I'm not sure I could manage a space-brothel either.

You sure do get mad at 8 man blobs though.

I made you a picture
Chav Queen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-06-15 12:41:06 UTC
SaorAlba wrote:
It's the Amarr who are the slaves.

Yes you read it right. We, the Amarr are the real slaves. We are kept on a tight leash

only to open a new farm ground by taking a system for the Minmatar to harvest.
The Amarr have so few systems left that we under the current game mechanics we can't recover.

So what is left for the Amarr?

- 24th LP shop is dead. Nothing there is worth buying anymore since there are no Exclusive
24th items to get. This means I can get an navy slicer cheaper in Jita then I can get it
from my own shop!
- Plexing for LP is therefore worthless. If you do go out plexing you are mostly splitting up rewards
as the mediums and majors can't be soloed by the Amarr.
- Level 4 Faction war missions are also worthless. You can't pickup enough of
them due the loss of many systems with an l4 in it, and you can't dock to speak with the
agent.
- Plexing for tags is the only thing left. Again you find you self fighting for bones and
then you have to make it back to that special place where you are allowed to dock. Only
the medium and large are worth doing here.

To be honest. Any Amarr plexing now is a fool. Every system you take back yields the tards
another 20 bil. If you must plex then plex there key systems wich they wanne keep and will
deplex or your doing it wrong.
So what should we do. I think we should give up all our systems. We should fall back to
empire space. Let the Tards have it all.
We generate not enough income to sustain the habbit. We have no appeal to anybody coming
from outside. Tard numbers are allready skyrocketing since every farmer with half a brain
is joining them. Let the Amarr tard war die. When they have all our systems they can run
l4 missions in there stealth bombers 24/7. Fine with me, since CCP is just scratching
there asses anyway. The quicker we give it up the sooner the fix. Let it all go and lay
back. You can still do pvp. You can still dock in Amarr space.

Amarr victor, and give another 20 bil to the enemy F00Ls. Wake TF up.

Alba, over and outOops



If its riches and rewards your after you should seek more profitable ways to make a living.
In the meantime there is a life and death struggle going on between two life long enemies people are out there dying, fighting for their freedom,their beliefs and some national pride. If thats not enough to motivate you then you might be in the wrong place.

When we captured every single Gallente system did we get rewards and LP? No, hell all I got was a shiney bit of metal around my neck and a thank you for your service.
Im thinking of returning to the war front shortly,but it sure as hell nothing to do with any rewards I just want to do my bit for the state.
Aya Hekki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-06-15 14:18:52 UTC
Shylari Avada wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

You kept your cool pretty well there, I'm not sure I could handle being called a "dunder head" Cool


I'm not sure I could manage a space-brothel either.

You sure do get mad at 8 man blobs though.

I made you a picture


Holy hell !! you sure do have alot of free time.

here is a tip for you, Amun & Blackbeard, which you posted both of their killmails, can probably fund a larger alliance than yours for a very long time, bellieve it or not they dont care about isk one bit.
all i see is a punch of alts, that are somewhat jealous that they cant fly such expensive stuff and get verry excited about a stabber fleet kill.

another advice for you, dont waste your free time on making such a huge copy pasted image, and maybe then you can afford to fly expensive stuff like they do, thats if you know what i mean.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-06-15 14:35:55 UTC
Aya Hekki wrote:
Shylari Avada wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

You kept your cool pretty well there, I'm not sure I could handle being called a "dunder head" Cool


I'm not sure I could manage a space-brothel either.

You sure do get mad at 8 man blobs though.

I made you a picture


Holy hell !! you sure do have alot of free time.

here is a tip for you, Amun & Blackbeard, which you posted both of their killmails, can probably fund a larger alliance than yours for a very long time, bellieve it or not they dont care about isk one bit.
all i see is a punch of alts, that are somewhat jealous that they cant fly such expensive stuff and get verry excited about a stabber fleet kill.

another advice for you, dont waste your free time on making such a huge copy pasted image, and maybe then you can afford to fly expensive stuff like they do, thats if you know what i mean.




I was tempted to post something half way serious in response but lolololololololololololololololololololol will have to do.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#58 - 2012-06-15 14:36:22 UTC
Cearain wrote:
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:


When someone with new ideas, with a new way to wage war, with an iron will that he can impose on Amarr militia, with a vision of how to move forward, who can inspire men to fight, then, Amarr can make a fight of it. With guys like you, with your attitude, yes, you are beaten.

I get the point that you are screwed and dont really have the means to wage an effective war at the moment.


Its not that we can't wage a war I think we can. Its just that *how* you win this war is pretty mind numbing. You get a bunch of alts in pve ships to orbit a button in a back water systems. You bring pretty much all the systems to vulnerable or close to vulnerable. Dont flip them! And for god sakes don't flip them right next to where the minnie blobs roam anyway.

Only after you have about 3/4s of the systems close to vulnerable throughout the war zone, then you start a push to actually flip them all - likely with outside support. You can likely easilly pay the support with all that soon to be valuable lp.

If the minmatar keep trying to defend these plexes they will get no lp for their time they will get more tired of this than we will. We will get lp that will be worth a fortune once we flip the systems. That is how the system is supposed to work.

Will this actually work if we tried it?

I doubt it. The system is pretty unbalanced in favor of the winning side. So its possible that all those minmatar who are currently just farming plexes in caldari space will come back to protect their prized egg. However, I will say that the current strategy of thinking some "frontline" systems are somehow "key" is never going to work for amarr. They aren't key and the resources used to hold on to them would be much better spent elsewhere - from an occupancy war perspective. However an occupancy war perspective, is distinct from a pvpers perspective.

Which brings us to the main reason this probably won't work. It is because lots of amarr are getting allot of pvp right next to minmatar bases and they really don't care about who wins this war enough to go base out of Amo and run plexes without fights for months on end. So they will stay in those areas and continue to do what they are doing now.
Well, like I said, it is about the will to fight.Apparently you are saying that Amarr are content to simply shoot at Minmatar, and nothing more.Gallente honestly have a similar attitude. look at stats, we are earning VP at twice their rate.
I also notice that Amarr are NOT that far behind minmatar as far as VP earned a day.They dont have way more guys plexing.

What will happen, i think eventually, if you dont start hitting and degrading their systems, is they will be rich enough long enough that the PvP that Amarer is satisfied with now will become unsatisfying as Minmatar switches to exclusively Faction ships, and then those fights that you do get become more lopsided than they are now and then you really will have lost,

Right now Minmatars perceived victory is a matter of morale.In a couple of months it will be an economic dominance so strong that resistance will be futile.

Do what I do. Seek out the like minded in your militia. Say what you think needs to be done, and argue publicly with those who oppose you. some will do their own thing, others will hear you, chat you up, convo you, and you will find allies. once you start getting them together and leading them, others will join in. Eventually the unwashed masses who were simply going along with the uninspired and unimaginative will leave and follow you, once they have a viable option.with a little work and time you will find you can do what you want in this game, it is a matter of imposing your own will on it, as it is this war.

If we can do it you can do it and it isnt nearly as hard as it seems.To be honest it doesnt seem as there has been any difference or evolution in warfighting Philosophy within amarr since the changes, and if everyones ideas are stale, then do something to change that.I hope you can and hope you do.Put some thought into it, it can be done.Good Luck.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#59 - 2012-06-15 14:45:30 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Soon Shin wrote:
Let the Minmatar farm LP until they flood the market and start making crap profit.
I think they are more interested in flying "free" Stabber Fleet Issues than making boatloads of isk - at least the guys in my corp are.

Thats the thing. If they keep them and fly them in combat, then they are doing it right.

40 FW frigs or 4o fleet issue stabbers or 40 faction battle ships is a pain in the ass to deal with.this is what the LP are meant for, and how finally, at long last they are being used. I only wish Caldari would figure that out.We have figured out to to fight the war, but as far as I am concerned, not how to use the LP most effectively.Were it up to me we would all be in hookbills and CNCs and cal navy scorps all day..
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#60 - 2012-06-15 14:55:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
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