Science & Industry

You used the word nerf, when you should have used the word buff.

yeah buffin the procurer and giving the retriever 27500 m3 of ore bay + a nearly bs tank will make everybody happy LoL

Unfortunately serious miners fly in hulks and they will get no bonuses but an 8k-ish ore bay (cool 1 more cycle afk for me). All the highsec gankers will have to gank hulks (and covetors eventually) so....... where is the buff please? Spending 2 weeks to fly a retriever Vs spending 3 months to mine decently in a hulk (not to mention orca boosting) with no benefit but an 8k-ish ore hold? Everything done under the the golden rule that "an hulk mine too much"

sure, that's a buff for bot users and afk miners.

edit: anyway you're right, I modified the title, "only" hulks will get nerf'd, noob mining barges will be shiny ;)

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retriever gets + 27500 m3 ore bay (well they could be _only_ 20k finally) + uhm.... 20-30k ehp?

That's like saying your co-worker getting a raise is the same as you getting less pay.

They're trying to make it so that other mining ships have a reason for existence other than "I'm still training for a Hulk". Why stop at a Covetor when a Hulk only needs another ONE day of training?

These threads that basically say "I worked hard for what I got and they don't, it's not fair!" are getting tiresome. The game isn't going to stay the same, some of the changes you will like, others not so much. I look forward to seeing how this will change things, it sounds interesting.

Believe me I'm not against the fact the game has to change, the problem is that changes doesn't go in any precise direction other than unbalancing previous mechanics badly. A lot of things have been requested by "serious miners" to change mining, none of them was similar to: "make the retriever a mining bs with the cargobay of a mammoth" LOL

And about that:

sorry but it's tiresome to train 3 months to fly a sucking-roids-thing that cost half a plex (more than that actually) and that for this sole reason is the most wanted target everywhere (hs, low, null, for those flying a hulk down there). Oh, they have a nice yeld indeed, still nothing like "hey I'm making a plex in 4 hrs" like people have been doing with incursions for 1 year. And you need orca support to make them _really useful_
Ah yes, and gankers are those "brave guys" flying 2 catalyst and feeling like super gangsta for that. Cool.


who's crying? I'm just asking where these changes are going.


hu? really? I never saw one. Maybe because I'm not in a huge alliance with sov on 100 systems lol


sorry? WUT??? procurer? I knew it existed but I don't even know why I knew it. Never ever saw one anywhere.


afk mining. Possibly in null where you have sov. Check killmails in highsec ice-mining systems and see how many a day are blown up. I'll tell you: A LOT! Why? Because 1 single catalyst can do the job, they have 6k ehp afterall, and cost 170 millions. LOL

anyway..... I'll stop spamming this thread, guess I made my point here

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Op has a valid point while not put across well still valid none the less. reading the changes i thought cool nice to see these buffs, then i read about what the hulk is getting and its next to nothing. The buffs coming in are ones to help new people starting out get into mining better and not get ganked as much, While its nice that the reti is getting a good tank, bigger hold and better yield this changes do next to nothing for those of us that are allready in hulks and looking for a buff or a change, the extra ore hold is a bit nice but not exactlly what i was hoping for.

TLDR

new changes only effect new miners and poor miners. Possible buff to bots???

Yes these changes are a Nerf to Hulks, the co-worker analogy is false as other miners are not co-workers they are competition... remember that this game is not just ship based PvP.

These changes mean that new players get an increased yield with a mahoosive tank and hold making them comparable with the top end mining vessel. An ore hold equal to the cargo hold of a Hulk yay... high end miners use an orca anyway. No anti gank the super expensive ship here. Seems the balancers are on the same side as the muppet gankers (less stupid now the goons have extended the bounty but nonetheless) the Hulk is meant to be a hardcore highend vessel with skill requirements to match now a couple of weeks training gets you similar results.

I understand the need to make each ship have its place but I can't help but feel like us Hulk miners have just got the raw end of a shiny deal.

Our competition just got quite a major boost, more miners sitting afk with large holds means more sellers on the market. These non-pro additional miners will care less about selling for a proper market value and more for quick sells so they will be undercutting us. High yield means nothing if what we sell is dropping in price due to additional supply and more people after a quick buck.

We still sit there in glass rock suckers with a boost to our hold size that if you are mining with an orca you dont use anyway.

No he's right, they may end up lowering the hulk and mack maximum yield while raising the others a little to balance the ships.. this would end up being a nerf if that is the case. ..especially if they remove specific roles... we'll see . nothing is written in stone according to the blog.

Your hold increase is NOT increasing. Me thinks maybe you didn't read.

They have made it clear in the blog that they don't want people to think that the Hulk is the only viable option for mining, so they are offering (for T1/T2): 1. better EHP for Procurer/Skiff, 2. bigger holds for Retriever/Mackinaw, and 3. best yields are for Covetor/Hulk. I like this idea....I like it a lot.


Sorry that training a few hours more past Mining Barge V was so difficult for you.