Missions & Complexes

What I said was observation on reality, not the same as your assumptions. It took us quite a bit of effort to set up the wh again, 10% isn't anywhere close to enough to abandon it. Had it happened a day or 2 after the nerfbat hit, maybe, but now is too late. Ratters who's since moved back to null is in the same boat. I've been seeing the same thing on every one of my alts. People moved on.

It's not necessarily a bad thing, since Incursions have been sucking people in from all over, leaving behind deserted space. Now, there are signs of life in some parts again. But if 10% is all CCP is willing to go, Incursions are dead for good.

tl;dr:
You think Incursions should be dead and stay dead.

So why pretend 10% is enough to revive Incursions to begin with?

I think there is still some confusion with regards to the reasons for the rollback. We are not rolling back the 2 selected changes because we are under some illusion this will just make everything better. We are rolling them back because we didn't like the outcome and are unhappy with the direction it took Incursions. We still have plenty of plans for the future of Incursions - one of those will be to look at the OTA sites but we could have either continued to work on Incursions from a position we were unhappy about, or revert the changes we disliked. I am under no illusions that we have waved some magic Incursion wand and all the problems have vanished, the devblog was simply the first of, what I hope to be many, Incursion updates.

Also, it's worth noting that we are rolling back the 10% reward reduction. This is not the same thing as increasing the current payout by 10%. eg: 1000 reduced by 10% = 900 which becomes the new payout amount - so 900 increased by 10% is 990

As if there is any risk in tardnull sec.

People lose expensive ships ratting in null every day. We killed some fool in a carrier earlier today, and we've had fools in alliance lose equally expensive ships to hostiles in our space. While I've seen people lose expensive ships in vanguards (once), it's far from the norm. While intelligent pilots are pretty safe in null sec (or in any kind of space for that matter), there's still risk involved.

Also, I don't really have a problem with incursions paying well, but they need to find a way to increase the difficulty to compensate for the elevated income. There was absolutely nothing challenging about nor any thought involved in blitzing OTA after OTA in shiny ships before. It was simply a grind and there was very little that could go wrong. I'm hopeful and optimistic that CCP can find a way to involve incursions so that they are fun and challenging while at the same time paying out a fair ISK/hr (i.e., more than high sec missions, less than null anoms/sites).

Hi

Today I went back to try it out once more. I spent 2 hr 50 min in a fleet running VG's and just as long waiting for a fleet. I earned 115 mill after corp tax and some LP's. From 5½ hr playing time that sucks. And it was not a poor fleet it was a very shiny fleet.

I could have made that amount of ISK in a lot of other ways and more. Do I have to mention WH's or lvl4.

Where I work something similar to your incursion nerf and the comments about it would have been called a "customer complaint". And those are to be solved quickly. I dont get it you are still like 2 months after the first complaints were rolling sitting on the hands and saing this requires some thinking.

It is good that you want to listen but its bad that nothing is brought up pretty quickly.

The nerf has killed the communities running incursions. Made a lot of players unhappy. Potentially made quite a few cancel their subscribtion.

A full reroll in the early days of May would have been a much more proper reaction to the trouble caused by the nerf. Admitting that this needs some more rethinking. You (CCP) would that way have keept everybody happy and would have bought time to the rethinking nessesary.

It still might not be to late.

A 10 % unnerf and doing nothing about the sites ain't going to make it.

There's this denial concerning risk of losing boats among incursion haters. If you look at system stats, pre-nerf, there were far more boats lost in vanguard systems than even the busiest blue sov null ratting heavens. Boats popping are hourly occurrences, as opposed to weekly.

As for balancing payout, it can't be done easily with the current state of the pug... Time spent looking for fleet is a function of popularity. Hamfested nerf/buffs, like the current nerf, will produce a delayed rubberband effect. Pug/Fleet finder mechanics in Eve is crippled by paranoia. When it takes hours to get a fleet, the payout has to be high enough to worth it. But when it does, it no longer takes hours to get a fleet.

FINALLY!

Wonderful news. Champagne all around.

So they wanna un-nerf incursions because people have cried so much? God I might have to join the incursion gankers...

You sound slightly ridiculous.
Not even a 4 years old would spend 2 months "thinking" about an issue and then change 2 line of code and ask for another 2 months because: "we're thinking about it, it's so hard guys, we dont wanna **** up!!".

Also i'm looking forward how you'll,if you will, respond to this post.
I remember last time how you asked for "feedback and useful criticism".
Then spent 2 months in hiding and then: **** all the feedback, let's do some useless bullshit and postpone the issue again!

Funny thing is i've never done an incursion, most of my isk has been made exploring and ratting in 0.0.
Still i think this situation is grotesque, not for the issue itself but for how it's being handled.
I think that everybody, 0.0 people, pirates, gankers etc. should start seeing that the problem is not balacing incursions but getting ccp to listen.

Btw i personally think this is all soundwave fault; i dont know why he has not been fired yet, he's has been working hard for years to ruin this game (he was the one behind the incarna+p2w disaster).