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Dawnsil Brasko
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-06-14 22:20:28 UTC
Azaru Shepard wrote:
Tevar wrote:
Azaru Shepard wrote:
I had just used all my money to purchase the ship. It was 1.8mil to insure my ship, and I was just starting to mine again to get enough to get it insured. So basically lost everything I had.



#1) Never undock what you can't replace
#2) Don't be a high sec miner righ now cause... Hulkageddon????
#3) Politely explain the situation to the folks in the corp you joined and see if they were kidding or will help you? BE POLITE!
#4) Sorry for your loss mate.

When I was bran spanking new I tried to autopilot from Hemitar to Jita... lol... got podded lost my only ship... The pirates after a quick chat, sent me 3x the amount of that ship, explained what I had done wrong, what happened, and how to set up autopilot to never send me through lowsec again...

I was polite and I also understood that pirates gonna pirate... and I kind of admire pirates... not an easy life...

be polite...


If I had flown through lowsec space and got jacked by pirates that's one thing, being abused in 1.0 space is another story. Real pirates I admire, life is not easy for them living in lowsec. Unscrupulous people praying on the newbies in 1.0 space is a whole different story...

Velkis Karn wrote:
While you canceled your sub and got angry, those other guys that did it to you were laughing on voice chat and drinking beer and remembering why THEY play the game (to be douches).


Yes I was angry but let them drink their beer and gloat. The point is I'm sure I'm not the only one that was killed in this manner, and for EVE to let people abuse the system this way is a sure way to lose new members. Obviously a game can't give new players everything they want, but they should at least be safe in the 1.0 space as long as they dont attack other people or steal things, etc.


I'm a newb myself,i've been playing for about a week now and i strongly disagree with your last statement.You shouldn't be completely safe in high sec,this is how EVE works,this is how we like EVE therefore this is how it should remain.If it survived all those years with these rules i'm pretty sure it will survive from now on as well.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-06-14 23:09:27 UTC
Never join a corp that approaches you when you dont know them. It is a scam.

And you are the 2nd one who fell for it this week. The other survived and posted a warning on the forums here.


Stick with EVE. Sure it has some twisted deucebags but even more general guys

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-06-14 23:10:26 UTC
Azaru Shepard wrote:
This will be my last post on here, and I'll just sum up some things. Thanks to everyone that had sympathy for me, and especially Lazarus who offered me money. However the game is uninstalled and the subscription canceled. The game being hardcore is great I really liked that. A system that lets people take advantage of newbies is not however. Let this just be a heads up to any other newbie that was looking for a new game to call home. All I wanted to do was be part of a mining corp and enjoy the company of other people while having fun.


Two kids that don't know each other walk into an arcade. They both end up playing the same game together for hours.

Kid 1:Hey lets go next door they got better games there
Kid 2:Sure lets go

Kids walk past a security guard next door. Kid 1 pulls a gun out on Kid 2. Security guard sees this, thinks hey they came into together, its cool. Kid 1 shoots Kid 2 in the face and kills him.

Everyone else: He should have known better.


Comparing a potential real life situation to one in a computer game does not add to your credibility or make people feel sorry for you. Quite the opposite actually.

Things like this happen to relatively new players all the time. If you can't handle it now, how are you going to handle being ganked in a really expensive ship in the future? EVE may not be for you.

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Muahashi Stenier-Tian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-06-14 23:13:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Muahashi Stenier-Tian
Tevar wrote:
Also never carry more than 100k on your ship... I have jettisoned really nice loot cause Im too afraid to try to get it out of dead space.


I'm a newbie miner and I usually travel around with 700k worth of ore in my newb-ass iteron. Never had a problem... and if they blow me up, i think it's not too much worth a loss (Iteron is pretty cheap, and I can make 1 million in one mining trip). I do think 100k is too little.

I don't have a lot of cash (less than a mil), but i have A LOT of ore in stock waiting for my refining skills to get better. I don't need the money right now, so why should I bother selling it for less than I can get later?

I think I'll be very nervous about travelling with the refined ore later. Still thinking about on how much I'll haul each trip.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-06-14 23:22:33 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Alright:

First:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1458688#post1458688

Second:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=130755#post130755...


When joining a corp. Do your research. Joining a corp has benefits but also downsides (like that corp members can shoot each other without CONCORD - Which is a game mechanic that works as intended).

Also in space you are NEVER safe, not even if it is 1.0, PERIOD.


Don't fly what you can't afford to loose - EVE's Golden Rule, obey it at ALL times.

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You really had a bad luck. EVE community isn't totally like that corp you joined. If you unsub cause of 1 set back then EVE isn't the game for you. But I do suggest you give it another try. EVE has thousands of corps, of which more then enough are good bunch of players that are not even near what you experienced.

You made a mistake to fall for one of the easiest griefing tactics in EVE. I think the guys are sad as they target new players as they obviously can't win from proper pvp players, yet it is an allowed thing in EVE.

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EVE isn't a WoW clone (aka rollercoaster hand-held MMO) where you are always safe etc. etc.
EVE is hard, EVE will kick you in the balls, EVE will chew you up and spit you out.
Yet EVE is wonderful, learn from your mistakes. Adapt to situations and you will love it.

And as said before, plenty of guys who lost billions in EVE and are still playing.

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BTW, check your wallet. If you cool down and want to give EVE a 2nd try, contact me in game for some talks

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#26 - 2012-06-15 00:03:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Azaru Shepard wrote:
Canceled my subscription immediately afterwards.

Too bad. I would have replaced Retriever for you, to give you a chance to learn from your mistakes. I have a philanthropic habit.

But if you give up that easy, you probably weren't cut out for EvE.

Best of luck wherever you land.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#27 - 2012-06-15 00:16:31 UTC
Hey look, someone who can't be bothered to accept game mechanics for what they are, and learn from mistakes. At first I had sympathy since I agree that things aren't explained well enough, but the flippant attitude and entitlement to stupidity turned me around.

Bye bye, noob.

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Zornia Estemaire
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-06-15 00:23:16 UTC
Quote:
Stick with EVE. Sure it has some twisted deucebags but even more general guys


I generally call them "low lifes" and that is just the way they get their jollies off by ruining someone elses experience. But as she stated there a lot more good people out there willing to help you out. It's a shame you already quit because eventually you would have found that out. We all take our lumps in the beginning but eventually you would grown accustomed to this harsh universe. Sorry to see you go.
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#29 - 2012-06-15 01:07:14 UTC
While you did not enjoy losing your shiny retriever your hurt at the loss shows that your sucess in gaining it had meaning. It is one of the reasons that we play.

Would it mean as much if you knew it was basically invulnerable?

Bad things happen in Eve. So do beautiful ones. Trust earned and relayed is sweeter because betrayal exists.

I'm sorry this setback was to much for you, OP. Yet, in stating that it is too much you reaffirm how the mechanics of the game give things value. I'm sorry that you can only appreciate that value when it is on your side.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.
Oraac Ensor
#30 - 2012-06-15 01:30:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
Being caught out by not doing proper research and not being aware of a particular game mechanic is one thing. Whether or not that game mechanic is sensible is another thing entirely.

I don't disagree with any of the comments about the lack of care taken regarding the amount of risk involved in this case, but I also don't disagree with the OP's opinion that this game mechanic is ridiculous. The concept that people should be able to attack each other without consequence just because they are in the same corp, club, guild or whatever defies all logic. Why should this be required in order for players to engage in consensual combat?

If you want a private conversation with another player, you send an invite and they either accept or reject. If you want to fleet up with another player, you send an invite and they either accept or reject. If you want to trade in station, you send an invite and they either accept or reject.

Anyone seeing a pattern here?

Why not a similar system for consensual combat without CONCORD intervention? Then anyone could duel with anyone else, regardless of allegiance - surely an even better situation?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#31 - 2012-06-15 01:52:12 UTC
Good corps shoot their own members for funsies. Best corps shoot each other for funsies and reimburse any loss that "may or may not" have been incurred.

Welcome to EVE OP. You have been scammed/ransomed/ganked. You are no longer a newbie.

How did you Veterans start?
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#32 - 2012-06-15 03:07:46 UTC
Because then I'd be able to tell my corp mates no. What fun is that?

Risk and betrayal are part of the game. Paranoid is a way of life.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
#33 - 2012-06-15 03:23:11 UTC
While I generally tend towards the "Suck it up, learn from your mistakes and move on" mentality, I think some of you guys are being a bit too harsh on the OP here. In most other games you don't really have the combination of gankability + vulnerability to your own corp mates that results in situations such as this. It's an easy mistake to make, expecting that you'd at least be safe amongst corpmates - Even though you'd be wrong, obviously. Consider that he really took the time to understand more about game aspects such as canflipping, sec status, there's no free lunch etc, and I don't think he's one of the typical ragequitters who just don't "get" EVE and loudly insist on making foolish mistakes.

I don't think the mechanic is broken, but I do think that a player who takes the time to do some background research on the game is worth having around, ragequit notwithstanding. It's quite understandable to feel bad when you're a newbie and that new ship you saved painstakingly up for and invested a large amount in gets blown up before you really get a chance to fly it.

OP, on the off - chance that you do come back to read - It's part of the game. Live and learn to be cautious of everyone in EVE. If you quit now, you're missing out on an amazing game just for a newbie mistake. As for your losses - Nothing you can't easily recoup with your steadily increasing skills. I'll be one of those offering to help you get back on your feet, so hope you stick around, and drop me a PM if you do decide to give it another try.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-06-15 08:00:06 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Being caught out by not doing proper research and not being aware of a particular game mechanic is one thing. Whether or not that game mechanic is sensible is another thing entirely.

I don't disagree with any of the comments about the lack of care taken regarding the amount of risk involved in this case, but I also don't disagree with the OP's opinion that this game mechanic is ridiculous. The concept that people should be able to attack each other without consequence just because they are in the same corp, club, guild or whatever defies all logic. Why should this be required in order for players to engage in consensual combat?

If you want a private conversation with another player, you send an invite and they either accept or reject. If you want to fleet up with another player, you send an invite and they either accept or reject. If you want to trade in station, you send an invite and they either accept or reject.

Anyone seeing a pattern here?

Why not a similar system for consensual combat without CONCORD intervention? Then anyone could duel with anyone else, regardless of allegiance - surely an even better situation?


How about: NO

Go back to WoW with consensual PvP talks please. If people do a bit of research they learn game mechanics. If they then do research on the corp they join they are pretty much safe.

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Chiana Moro
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#35 - 2012-06-15 08:19:56 UTC
Azaru Shepard wrote:


If I had flown through lowsec space and got jacked by pirates that's one thing, being abused in 1.0 space is another story. Real pirates I admire, life is not easy for them living in lowsec. Unscrupulous people praying on the newbies in 1.0 space is a whole different story....


Ex-pirate here so thanks =)
I totally agree with you that griefers hunting complete newbs are a pain the ... where you sit.
Rules 1-3 in EVE are don't fly what you can't afford to lose - whit 4-5 being you are not safe anywhere. This is the nature of EVE, it is very much different from the vast majority of MMOs around.
Chiana Moro
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#36 - 2012-06-15 08:21:12 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:


Why not a similar system for consensual combat without CONCORD intervention? Then anyone could duel with anyone else, regardless of allegiance - surely an even better situation?


This is not WoW.
EVE is built on non-consensual pvp, if don't like that - go play another game.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2012-06-15 08:26:26 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Being caught out by not doing proper research and not being aware of a particular game mechanic is one thing. Whether or not that game mechanic is sensible is another thing entirely.

I don't disagree with any of the comments about the lack of care taken regarding the amount of risk involved in this case, but I also don't disagree with the OP's opinion that this game mechanic is ridiculous. The concept that people should be able to attack each other without consequence just because they are in the same corp, club, guild or whatever defies all logic. Why should this be required in order for players to engage in consensual combat?

If you want a private conversation with another player, you send an invite and they either accept or reject. If you want to fleet up with another player, you send an invite and they either accept or reject. If you want to trade in station, you send an invite and they either accept or reject.

Anyone seeing a pattern here?

Why not a similar system for consensual combat without CONCORD intervention? Then anyone could duel with anyone else, regardless of allegiance - surely an even better situation?
I will disagree with that, you join a corp, you put yourself at risk just like the corp does towards you. They can steal from you and so can you. The fact corpmates can shoot each other without DED interference, just follows the same principle and is logical. When I drop mods in my corp's POS hangar, I have a dialog box saying it can be a one-way move. See the pattern?

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Vilnius Zar
SDC Multi Ten
#38 - 2012-06-15 08:38:58 UTC
1 - everybody got hurt the first time they ran into trouble like yours, even folks who now are badass pvpers (only ppl who had "inside help" getting into EVE will have it easier). The first time just sucks and it's a reality check, you'll need time to think it over and get used to the idea you may have talked about being fine with but when faced with it just... hurts.

2 - many people will shy away from the game for that very reason and that's fine, the game isn't for everyone nor should it be. BECAUSE it's so different from other MMOs in that respect it has its own stable (and slowly growing) niche. Some people hate it, some people love it and as there's no other MMOs like it they'll stick around

3 - for all its faults (and EVE has many) it's the best MMO out there BECAUSE of this freedom and the meaningful losses, because if death is meaningless then so is victory. Give it some time and you'll come to that conclusion yourself


Give it a few weeks then pick yourself up and try again, vow to not make the same mistakes twice and you'll do fine.
Oraac Ensor
#39 - 2012-06-15 09:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Oraac Ensor
J'Poll wrote:
How about: NO

Go back to WoW with consensual PvP talks please. If people do a bit of research they learn game mechanics. If they then do research on the corp they join they are pretty much safe.
Never played WoW in my life, nor any other MMO apart from this one. I'm not a gamer as such, I'm a sci-fi fan and the only other online game I've played is Homeworld 2 Complex.

Back to the point. Why shouldn't any two players be able to fight each other without interference if that's what they want to do?

Chiana Moro wrote:
This is not WoW.
EVE is built on non-consensual pvp, if don't like that - go play another game.
Where exactly did I advocate the general removal of non-consensual PvP? What I suggested was a limited measure to make it impossible to force it onto corpmates, given that the ability to engage in consenual PvP is the only reason given here for the game mechanic that allows that to happen.

Edit: I don't understand all the references to WoW in these forums. As I say, I've never played it, nor ever will, but I have looked at the web site out of curiosity and I really can't imagine anyone with the mindset to play that game having any interest at all in EVE.
Oraac Ensor
#40 - 2012-06-15 09:54:53 UTC
Sugar Kyle wrote:
Because then I'd be able to tell my corp mates no. What fun is that?
Ah, I see. To you, something is only "fun" if the other party is unwilling.

I think I get the picture.