Ships & Modules

If you don't want it, i'd be willing to take it off your hands. Simply make the contract private (To me) for 0 ISK, and Ill ensure that it gets reprocessed into something more worthy of your piloting.

So - why didn't you check the ship out in EFT even once during all those months you trained for it?

A Battleship.

100m/s faster than a hurricane, with the same agility. Hitting overloaded MWD and cloak gives a burst of over 4km/s. Two heavy neuts, 850 DPS, 60k EHP. Using an alt, can be cynoed directly on top of a target to kill.

Sounds like a pretty decent solo boat to me. Good killing power, with a hell of a lot of GTFO ability.

Overpowered? Did you know that titans can fit covops cloaks? Please explain to me how a BO with cov ops so that it can warp cloaked is more overpowered than a titan with a covops.

I re-considered my toughts and now believe that to balance Black Ops to the almighty Covert Ops Titans they should be able to warp cloaked too. Also, I will stop playing EvE and try this new WoW thing.

And I am sad about your sarcasm recognition skills.

That's a troll argument. We're discussing ship classes. Even if that was possible it would be an aberration amongst Titan fits. Since it does not have any bonus all the ship CPU would go to the cov ops module. I doubt its possible to fit any tank with that. And it's a game breaker.

Not to mention it's weird. Think of cov ops cloak on anything bigger than a cruiser as trying to camouflage a big truck while it drives down a highway.

Why does it need a covops cloak?
What need do you have that is enabled by giving it one?

I am hearing a lot about theoretical speeds with the cloak and a micro. Something about 4 km/s? I call bull. The cycle time on 100mn micros and the inertia of the blackops prevent you from ever getting close to your max speed while cloaked, even if you started at overloaded micro speed. On top of that, you can't cloaked while targeted. In a fight you would never get your cloaked speed bonus. You can't run the cloak and a prop mod, so they don't move anywhere close to battlecruisers.

Sounds more like people eft warrioring who haven't ever flown the things. Also those "two neuts" are for your cloak and jump portal generator. Even with a panther, you still have only one utility high. I see a lot of fail speculation. I'm guessing that these "stats" come from a panther, but on a proper double plated redeemer, or armor sin, you aren't dealing with battlecruiser agility.

Some other things:
Cyno 5 is a 20 day skill train. Thats a long time to ask a corp mate to sacrifice for you if you don't have an alt. An the whole "who plays on that level without an alt" crap is the point of why I say its greedy. You are paying for two accounts if you want to do upper level stuff in eve.

Covert Cynos are restricted to the most paper ship classes in the game. You cannot effectively hotdrop with covert cynos without losing your scout. With regular cynos its not a problem. Tech 1 frigs are easy to replace. Try doing it with covert ops frigs or a force recons.

You can't jump if you are disrupted, or have less than 75% cap. Neither of these circumstances exist in real pvp.

Now about covert ops cloaks: The only real argument against them is "they're overpowered." This is pure speculation. Lets look at covert ops ships in their traditional use. What makes force recons powerful? Its not the covert ops cloak, its the EWAR capabilities. How about a bomber? Even without a covert ops cloak, a bomber is a formidable opponent if flown by a skilled pilot.

So what, precisely, is the combat function of a covert ops cloak? Once targeted, a ship can't cloak regardless, so once the fight is started, the cloak is useless. Its functionality above a regular cloak lies solely with movement. Specifically, escaping gate camps or hunting targets. Now because of the jump drive, escaping gate camps is irrelevant. This only leaves the target hunting aspect left.

This pretty much boils the covert ops cloak functionality down to target selection. The covert ops cloak would only add the ability to sneak up on unsuspecting opponents. Blackops are not battlecruisers, despite what others have said. Once uncloaked, the fight is committed. Blackops will be (and are) outmaneuvered by smaller ship classes, unlike other cloaky ships. The only true benefit of the covert ops cloak on blackops is being able to sneak onto the battlefield. In their current state, as soon as the blackops enters warp, any stealth tactics are out the window, and bridged gang-mates are given away as well.

Of course I recognize that there are viable blackops strategies currently, I use them. But they don't have the necessary tools to perform their role adequately.

Just as an aside one use we found for the sin was as a remote repper, similar kind of fit to the RR dominix. As long as you use an armour tanked cyno boat, Rapier is the obvious one here but ive seen Falcons and Arazu used too, its pretty damn good at keeping the cyno alive. Provides some useful RR to an armour fit recon gang too.