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The Amarr factional war is over.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#21 - 2012-06-14 18:05:49 UTC
If the war is over on your front, can you send some more Minmatar our way? There's plenty of Caldari systems that need to be farmed.
Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2012-06-14 19:12:52 UTC
SaorAlba wrote:

So what is left for the Amarr?

- 24th LP shop is dead. Nothing there is worth buying anymore since there are no Exclusive
24th items to get. This means I can get an navy slicer cheaper in Jita then I can get it
from my own shop!
- Plexing for LP is therefore worthless. If you do go out plexing you are mostly splitting up rewards
as the mediums and majors can't be soloed by the Amarr.
- Level 4 Faction war missions are also worthless. You can't pickup enough of
them due the loss of many systems with an l4 in it, and you can't dock to speak with the
agent.
- Plexing for tags is the only thing left. Again you find you self fighting for bones and
then you have to make it back to that special place where you are allowed to dock. Only
the medium and large are worth doing here.


It's people like you that are the downfall of the Amarr Militia, for every one person trying to motivate people to encourage, there's a dozen of you bitter try-hard risk-averse nerds heralding the end of time in Militia Chat (which nobody should really read, but the newbros in IC24 don't have much of a choice).

Instead of whining all day, why not go out and do something? Just keep your mouth ******* shut and let the people who are enjoying what the are doing continue to enjoy it. Its a game, not everyone wants to log in and read your drivel as to why we will never win the war and how much money it yeilds the Minmatar, some of us just don't give a ****.

Not everything is a competition- go have fun; if you're not enjoying your time in FW, go do something else.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#23 - 2012-06-14 19:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanaka Sekigahara
This is war, and there is nothing for CCP to fix. This has worked beautifully, and I say this as a long time vested Amarr Ally. Bottom line, is you are beaten. On a fundamental level your will to fight has been destroyed. This much is evidenced from your post. You, and people like you are clearly not fit to take up arms, and, as you say, are now destined to become servile dogs and Lackeys of the Minmatar., your women carted off to their pleasure houses for their vast standing armies, your children made cup-bearers , or worse, for their officers.

That you declare yourself defeated before the last system has fallen, before Minmatar has taken them all and then held them for months turns my stomach.

When someone with new ideas, with a new way to wage war, with an iron will that he can impose on Amarr militia, with a vision of how to move forward, who can inspire men to fight, then, Amarr can make a fight of it. With guys like you, with your attitude, yes, you are beaten.

I get the point that you are screwed and dont really have the means to wage an effective war at the moment.( That, of course, is supposing that your imagination and resourcefullness is restricted to using FW mechanics to fund your wat chests, hint hint.......)But even from where I sit on the other side of the galaxy I can think of 50 things Amarr can do to make a fight of it, and to attack the minmatar in both their wallet and their spirit.

You guys need a real leader, one who isn't constrained by pre-existing ideas of how factional warfare should be fought.
Make your money elsewhere, and prepare and launch an offensive.Recruit. Degrade their systems so their LP is worth **** even if you can't take them. Attack their mission running hubs.Do SOMETHING.

They can take every system and the war is not over if your will to fight is intact. Or,you can have 11 systems, and you are done if you do not have the will to fight.......

Either way, CCP shouldnt fix anything.you got beat fair and square. and was your own fault for not going on the offensive 6 weeks before the patch came out so you would have a chance like caldari did.Gallente hold more systems, our LP is worth ****, but I dont think ANYONE besides Gallente trolls would say Caldari is dead or finished.Old faces return to militia every day.This war is far from over.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#24 - 2012-06-14 19:37:39 UTC
You're ignoring the very important changes upcoming: The removal of EWAR on rats on the 19th.

Once this is done, you can go out and solo opposing plexes in pvp ships just like the minmatar can.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#25 - 2012-06-14 19:58:31 UTC
So........let me get this straight.

Instead of doing something about your situation, and putting some sort of effort to make your situation better. You're Essentually relying on CCP to come in do it for you...

I find it awesome that the bible thumpers in game and out of game are Essentually doing the same thing. Just replace CCP with god. (no offense meant to the religious type, it's just the same story.)

...
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-06-14 19:59:00 UTC
I think this is why Hans was for a system reset before he was against it. Only thing I can say is get your income through other methods and farm LP for later use.

Your phone booth of a warzone is a lot easier to get your control up than ours is. We down-on-our-luck Caldari got to tier 3 for about an hour this morning and a bunch of us were able to buy navy scorps and sell them off before the buy orders could adjust. I had a scorp collecting dust in hi sec, so I a got a cool 400 mil spending less than a quarter of my LP.

And if the Minmatar are blobbing in the bottom half of the warzone, go live in Akkio or Gultratren and make them divide their forces to defend systems.

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
Shylari Avada
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-06-14 20:02:04 UTC
Dirk Smacker wrote:
I think this is why Hans was for a system reset before he was against it. Only thing I can say is get your income through other methods and farm LP for later use.

Your phone booth of a warzone is a lot easier to get your control up than ours is. We down-on-our-luck Caldari got to tier 3 for about an hour this morning and a bunch of us were able to buy navy scorps and sell them off before the buy orders could adjust. I had a scorp collecting dust in hi sec, so I a got a cool 400 mil spending less than a quarter of my LP.

And if the Minmatar are blobbing in the bottom half of the warzone, go live in Akkio or Gultratren and make them divide their forces to defend systems.



Actually they are getting their asses handed to them, and crying about 'ECM and Blobbing' more often than not.

*Shrug* BIG PLAYS!
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
#28 - 2012-06-14 20:02:51 UTC
SaorAlba wrote:
It's the Amarr who are the slaves.

....


Alba, over and outOops



The Amarr front is of course in bad state, but doesn't mean it can't be turned around given time.

Perhaps at this time, the best option is to assist Caldari forces whom are dealing with both Gallente & Minmatar until Amarr can rebuild. Caldari has come a long way in a very short time over the last few months and we have been holding our own both on the PVP & Sov war front vs Gallente and the new influx of Minmatar farmers.

Come help your Caldari Allies & help us take all the Galentte space then when the hoards of farmer alts join Caldari they will end up farming Minmatar space which will then give Amarr the needed plexers to start recapturing their systems.
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-06-14 20:05:09 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

I find it awesome that the bible thumpers in game and out of game are Essentually doing the same thing. Just replace CCP with god. (no offense meant to the religious type, it's just the same story.)

Funny how the only ones I see bringing up religion in gaming forums are the ones who have an apparent disdain for it. Roll

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#30 - 2012-06-14 20:09:30 UTC
Dirk Smacker wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

I find it awesome that the bible thumpers in game and out of game are Essentually doing the same thing. Just replace CCP with god. (no offense meant to the religious type, it's just the same story.)

Funny how the only ones I see bringing up religion in gaming forums are the ones who have an apparent disdain for it. Roll


I have no issues with religion at all actually. It's just their followers that annoy me...

...
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-06-14 20:11:38 UTC
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Dirk Smacker wrote:
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:

I find it awesome that the bible thumpers in game and out of game are Essentually doing the same thing. Just replace CCP with god. (no offense meant to the religious type, it's just the same story.)

Funny how the only ones I see bringing up religion in gaming forums are the ones who have an apparent disdain for it. Roll


I have no issues with religion at all actually. It's just their followers that annoy me...

Just slap yourself for bringing up religion or politics and we can move on.

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.
Aya Hekki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-06-14 20:17:16 UTC
Shylari Avada wrote:
Dirk Smacker wrote:
I think this is why Hans was for a system reset before he was against it. Only thing I can say is get your income through other methods and farm LP for later use.

Your phone booth of a warzone is a lot easier to get your control up than ours is. We down-on-our-luck Caldari got to tier 3 for about an hour this morning and a bunch of us were able to buy navy scorps and sell them off before the buy orders could adjust. I had a scorp collecting dust in hi sec, so I a got a cool 400 mil spending less than a quarter of my LP.

And if the Minmatar are blobbing in the bottom half of the warzone, go live in Akkio or Gultratren and make them divide their forces to defend systems.



Actually they are getting their asses handed to them, and crying about 'ECM and Blobbing' more often than not.

*Shrug* BIG PLAYS!


you mean that pro elite pvper bigbigsomething that fly with 2 falcons "solo"?
yeah he is a pro and he is kicking our asses badly, the war is lost we might just pull back to high sec and let you guys take all the warzone.
BolsterBomb
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-06-14 20:25:27 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:
This is war, and there is nothing for CCP to fix. This has worked beautifully, and I say this as a long time vested Amarr Ally. Bottom line, is you are beaten. On a fundamental level your will to fight has been destroyed. This much is evidenced from your post. You, and people like you are clearly not fit to take up arms, and, as you say, are now destined to become servile dogs and Lackeys of the Minmatar., your women carted off to their pleasure houses for their vast standing armies, your children made cup-bearers , or worse, for their officers.

That you declare yourself defeated before the last system has fallen, before Minmatar has taken them all and then held them for months turns my stomach.

When someone with new ideas, with a new way to wage war, with an iron will that he can impose on Amarr militia, with a vision of how to move forward, who can inspire men to fight, then, Amarr can make a fight of it. With guys like you, with your attitude, yes, you are beaten.

I get the point that you are screwed and dont really have the means to wage an effective war at the moment.( That, of course, is supposing that your imagination and resourcefullness is restricted to using FW mechanics to fund your wat chests, hint hint.......)But even from where I sit on the other side of the galaxy I can think of 50 things Amarr can do to make a fight of it, and to attack the minmatar in both their wallet and their spirit.

You guys need a real leader, one who isn't constrained by pre-existing ideas of how factional warfare should be fought.
Make your money elsewhere, and prepare and launch an offensive.Recruit. Degrade their systems so their LP is worth **** even if you can't take them. Attack their mission running hubs.Do SOMETHING.

They can take every system and the war is not over if your will to fight is intact. Or,you can have 11 systems, and you are done if you do not have the will to fight.......

Either way, CCP shouldnt fix anything.you got beat fair and square. and was your own fault for not going on the offensive 6 weeks before the patch came out so you would have a chance like caldari did.Gallente hold more systems, our LP is worth ****, but I dont think ANYONE besides Gallente trolls would say Caldari is dead or finished.Old faces return to militia every day.This war is far from over.



I couldnt agree more with Tanka said. This is 100% true.

Let me put something in perspective to you:

Galente T1 War Zone Control
Caldari T1 War Zone Control
Amaar T1 ar Zone Control

Minitar T3 War Zone Control

You are complaining about the same situation that the other 2 Factions are in. I am incredibly disappointing in Hans. As a CSM you would think he would be a leader to the Amaar.

There are so many things that could be done in your position. You are actually in a prime condition for a easy boost to morale and victories.

I am not taking sole credit for this because others have helped however when I came into Caldari there was no coordination and at best it was minimal. It takes one person to lead the charge and become coordinated. Simple coordination increases your abilities 10 fold.

Brig General of The Caldari State

"Don" Bolsterbomb

Traitor and Ex Luminaire General of The Gallente Federation
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#34 - 2012-06-14 20:28:06 UTC
Tanaka Sekigahara wrote:


When someone with new ideas, with a new way to wage war, with an iron will that he can impose on Amarr militia, with a vision of how to move forward, who can inspire men to fight, then, Amarr can make a fight of it. With guys like you, with your attitude, yes, you are beaten.

I get the point that you are screwed and dont really have the means to wage an effective war at the moment.


Its not that we can't wage a war I think we can. Its just that *how* you win this war is pretty mind numbing. You get a bunch of alts in pve ships to orbit a button in a back water systems. You bring pretty much all the systems to vulnerable or close to vulnerable. Dont flip them! And for god sakes don't flip them right next to where the minnie blobs roam anyway.

Only after you have about 3/4s of the systems close to vulnerable throughout the war zone, then you start a push to actually flip them all - likely with outside support. You can likely easilly pay the support with all that soon to be valuable lp.

If the minmatar keep trying to defend these plexes they will get no lp for their time they will get more tired of this than we will. We will get lp that will be worth a fortune once we flip the systems. That is how the system is supposed to work.

Will this actually work if we tried it?

I doubt it. The system is pretty unbalanced in favor of the winning side. So its possible that all those minmatar who are currently just farming plexes in caldari space will come back to protect their prized egg. However, I will say that the current strategy of thinking some "frontline" systems are somehow "key" is never going to work for amarr. They aren't key and the resources used to hold on to them would be much better spent elsewhere - from an occupancy war perspective. However an occupancy war perspective, is distinct from a pvpers perspective.

Which brings us to the main reason this probably won't work. It is because lots of amarr are getting allot of pvp right next to minmatar bases and they really don't care about who wins this war enough to go base out of Amo and run plexes without fights for months on end. So they will stay in those areas and continue to do what they are doing now.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Soon Shin
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#35 - 2012-06-14 20:36:44 UTC
Let the Minmatar farm LP until they flood the market and start making crap profit.

Let Minmatar take over all the systems until there is no offensive plex to farm in.

Once Amarr is gone, Minmatar will have nothing to do.
Aya Hekki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-06-14 20:39:42 UTC
yes , listen to this wise man
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#37 - 2012-06-14 20:51:17 UTC
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-06-14 20:57:26 UTC
SaorAlba wrote:
It's the Amarr who are the slaves.


Finaly. :D
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#39 - 2012-06-14 21:37:18 UTC
Soon Shin wrote:
Let the Minmatar farm LP until they flood the market and start making crap profit.
I think they are more interested in flying "free" Stabber Fleet Issues than making boatloads of isk - at least the guys in my corp are.
Dirk Smacker
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-06-14 22:55:16 UTC
Soon Shin wrote:
Let the Minmatar farm LP until they flood the market and start making crap profit.

I'm fairly certain datacores prevent tier 4 control from ever sucking. They are 25LP/25k isk per unit if my math doesn't blow. The rest of the cluster pays 100k/ea now.

I guess once you have a signature, you cannot have a blank one.