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The new UI and other game design flaws - Design kills function

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ZombieFX
Umbrella Chemical Inc.
#1 - 2012-05-22 22:20:02 UTC  |  Edited by: ZombieFX
I try to make it clear and not yell as much as i wont to (becouse i only got 6k characters...) but forgive me i have to get steam off somehow. So PLEASE CCP read and understand what i have to say.
I didnt met anyone that didnt agree on me with my opinion yet :|

New Assets UI
So lets start with a question u may dont even had in mind and i wonder why...
If i dock on a station - Why is my hangar not open? Why is my Itemmenu not open?
When i dock - what else u think i do than playing with my items? Or get more items from market - or put them back there.
Station = Items. EvEr.

Problem: Windows are all closed.
Solution: If u open a new extra window and dock again - make it open THIS window again.
Just like in the OLD Menu. Again design is NOT better.
If u got the old style combinated with the new one- it would be GOOD.


Pos Hangars
btw did u guys ever stand on a pos? srly ccp, did u ? if u dont klick on the hangar - by knowing it is the right one,
how in the name of earth you should be able to tell what of those hangars is the right one to use?

This is how the list looks:
Corporate Hangar Array
Corporate Hangar Array
Corporate Hangar...

This how it should look at last (if u cant rename them)
Corporate Hangar Array 1
Corporate Hangar Array 2
Corporate Hangar Array 3
....
If i see stuff like this all day... and than i see patches on the others side that are pretty epic,
i cant be happy. i just cant. i know u guys can fix it, i know u guys are smart, i know u work hard, but u dont see THIS?
I ... i cant understand.


IF u use SHIFT KLICK to open a pos module (hangar) u DONT see the slots. U just get the first slot and thats it.
I have to shift open my cargo and use the main window for the pos or i dont get in my 5ths slot to switch items in between <.<
CHANGE PLZ

Market Search [Edit: they done it! deleted the old statement here]
THANKS A LOT CCP: i just found out u added this in a "hidden" right klick menu
now i can open the market tab over the item itself. < really happy.

Btw whats about the market sorting? Why dont be able sort: by race, type, size or by tier. gg.
Small example the EC- drones, its a mess to find the right ones! (even with the browse tree)


LP Store - Find in Market
Why i cant use "find in market" on stuff i see in the LP store?
Why i have to copy the name and browse it by my self to compare prices?

(Station) Containers
I know thats the hell of the last issue but.. why they are ever locked from start?
They are for sorting, not for (litterly) "locking my self out..."

[btw nice forum function with autosave, allmost works good]


Sorting of Item Attributes

Now i will own u, in ur game of "design"...
yours: http://www.imgbox.de/users/ZombieFX/original.jpg
my: http://www.imgbox.de/users/ZombieFX/better_version.jpg

note: it took me 3 ss to get the 2 monitor screen high attributes on one picture. leaving this fact alone should point out the range of fail. Just pretend ur not allknowing player and search for 1 attribute out of this..... have fun, takes u 2minutes+.

Now look at my picture. In not even 1monitor high - u also get all attributes GROUPED WHERE THEY BELONG TOGETHER,
and NOT just by their own kind, also in total- sorted logical. Like all weapon stuff in 1 corner. All HP in 1 corner and so on....

THATS how u put it. And thats stuff thats in eve for idk when goblins got invented, but im sure it was since that.


Titles (for pos management)
"Hangar is accesable for --KLICK HERE TO ADD TITLE --"
Having 3 titles to lock hangars... is hard.
I wont image how alliances have to dance around this problem.

There is not even any kind of "log" or "lock" for ur precious items.
a) u trust up to 200ppl in your corp they wont touch it (hahahaa)
b) ur forced to act paranoid

Drone combat notifications
PLEASE seperate them. I dont like the drones flot my other messages away.
Im NOT gallente- i dont care how much damage they acutally do. I see it good enought.
But i CARE how much my main guns do! and would like to enjoy the "important" messages of those. ty


Highsec Mission Pirates
The new systems for crimes and wars still have a gap bigger than the ocean.
Mission looters. If they are in a npc corp, u can only watch them ruin ur game.
Shooting > ur dead by concord. As long as they dont grab ur cargo, they can grab everything - also the bounties.

If they grab cargo, its for sure a trap. ha ha, what a joke.

Thats abuse of game mechanic.


Fitting Screen
The "new" fitting screen is crap- full 80% of the acutall fitting part takes the ship. NOT the fitting functions!
I see -ALL-THE-TIME- this ship. U waste just space with that, nothing else!
The old one was way better and easier to understand (let alone the aragement of "middle high lowslot)
The new buttons disapear and are way to small and identical to another if its about modules + charges. Ty for that.

- - - - - - -

Owww and a last thing. EvE Online reminds me on Windows 3.1
Why windows 3.1? Becouse it took Microsoft decades to change the calculator style from...

this: 13232929585854.00 (tell me the name of this number!! U got 3 seconds!!!)
to this: 13,232,929,585,854.00 (way easier!!! must be painfull hard to set komma on that)

- - - - - - -

I love playing eve for around 3 years now. And as i said allready i enjoy the patches and everything that comes with it.
But sorry i cant stay for 3more years becouse it drives me nuts to see coming so much great stuff, but the flattest Basics - those basics u have to work trough to be able to use the "cool new stuff" doesnt change in those 3 years (and in some points allmost a decade i heared... wow!)

fs
B3AST MODE B3AST
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-05-22 22:21:56 UTC
TL;DR: Please fix EVE Online.
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#3 - 2012-05-22 22:27:15 UTC
ZombieFX wrote:
Fitting Screen
The "new" fitting screen is ***- full 80% of the acutall fitting part takes the ship. NOT the fitting functions!
I see -ALL-THE-TIME- this ship. U waste just space with that, nothing else!
The old one was way better and easier to understand (let alone the aragement of "middle high lowslot)
The new buttons disapear and are way to small and identical to another if its about modules + charges. Ty for that.

what is this i dont even


Are you talking about the fitting screen that was replaced when Kali dropped? The one with the first graphics revamp?
Cause that old thing was fuckin woeful, I have it screenshotted as proof of how much better EVE got that day

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Xander Karsoth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-05-22 22:28:49 UTC
+1
ZombieFX
Umbrella Chemical Inc.
#5 - 2012-05-22 22:34:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ZombieFX
http://images.wikia.com/eve/images/6/6b/Fitting_Screen.jpg

I loved this one.
It was simple and it was about the fitting. Nothing else.

The sorting was well and good the buttons huge / functional.

Now ...... i got a ship that takes 80%.
A ship i see:
-when i fly
-as symbol
-behind that menu
-in my captains quarters
-others flying the same type
.... whats the point in having it? what? like putting sugar on sugar on top of sugar to make it even sweeter?
Just a design waste of my precious PC resources.


My suggestion is a option like this:

"Old stye [x]"
"new style [ ]"

just make everyone be able to chose. it doesnt affect the acutal game.^


ps. ty for +1´s
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-22 22:35:58 UTC
Quote:
The old one was way better and easier to understand


and yet is part of why 80% of people leave eve, the UI.

I stopped reading as soon as you said the old fitting window was better. get out.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

ZombieFX
Umbrella Chemical Inc.
#7 - 2012-05-22 22:37:26 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Quote:
The old one was way better and easier to understand


and yet is part of why 80% of people leave eve, the UI.

I stopped reading as soon as you said the old fitting window was better. get out.


Shows ur grade of ignorance. but well ur opinion.
In the moment it dont fits with the own, dont hear them out, just throw veldspar at them <3

Human.
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#8 - 2012-05-23 04:43:27 UTC
ZombieFX wrote:
http://images.wikia.com/eve/images/6/6b/Fitting_Screen.jpg

I loved this one.
It was simple and it was about the fitting. Nothing else.

The sorting was well and good the buttons huge / functional.

Now ...... i got a ship that takes 80%.
A ship i see:
-when i fly
-as symbol
-behind that menu
-in my captains quarters
-others flying the same type
.... whats the point in having it? what? like putting sugar on sugar on top of sugar to make it even sweeter?
Just a design waste of my precious PC resources.


My suggestion is a option like this:

"Old stye [x]"
"new style [ ]"

just make everyone be able to chose. it doesnt affect the acutal game.^


ps. ty for +1´s

Maybe you should get glasses and a decent computer.

There should be a rather awesome pic here

Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-05-23 05:06:56 UTC
his take on

Quote:
Sorting of Item Attributes
Now i will own u, in ur game of "design"...
yours: http://www.imgbox.de/users/ZombieFX/original.jpg
my: http://www.imgbox.de/users/ZombieFX/better_version.jpg


is actually rather nice .
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-05-23 05:10:14 UTC
http://www.imgbox.de/users/ZombieFX/better_version.jpg

wow, wth CCP why haven't you done this yet?

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

ZombieFX
Umbrella Chemical Inc.
#11 - 2012-05-26 19:27:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ZombieFX
Copine Callmeknau wrote:

Maybe you should get glasses and a decent computer.


May you should make a statement with some background and dont act like a b..... ad woman.
I dont like the screen, my opinion - and im not alone about that.

+Drone Damage Stuff added
+Pos windows edit
- Market Tab statement removed
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-05-26 19:33:10 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
http://www.imgbox.de/users/ZombieFX/better_version.jpg

wow, wth CCP why haven't you done this yet?


Yes please CCP do this. Just for the record love the new UI, will really love it once pos management is fixed.
ZombieFX
Umbrella Chemical Inc.
#13 - 2012-05-26 19:35:56 UTC
Thanks for the positive response on my drone picture. I hope this filter could get used to everything.

btw plz also support this "small details" (even if i guess 50% dont agree on my fitting screen hate) haha
ZombieFX
Umbrella Chemical Inc.
#14 - 2012-06-14 16:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ZombieFX
THANKS for the rename able hangars.
ur my personal gods :D love u guys!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#15 - 2012-06-14 17:11:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
I see you've noticed that some of your observations are already, or soon will be, implimented... and I do like your drone info screen.

One point though you may have overlooked.

In response to:
New Assets UI
Quote:
So lets start with a question u may dont even had in mind and i wonder why...
If i dock on a station - Why is my hangar not open? Why is my Itemmenu not open?
When i dock - what else u think i do than playing with my items? Or get more items from market - or put them back there.
Station = Items. EvEr.

Problem: Windows are all closed.
Solution: If u open a new extra window and dock again - make it open THIS window again.
Just like in the OLD Menu. Again design is NOT better.
If u got the old style combinated with the new one- it would be GOOD.


Go into the escape menu and merge your items and your ships hanger with the station services. If you want access to those two hangers whenever you dock, that is (and always has been) the best way to achieve this.

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Widow Cain
#16 - 2012-06-14 17:16:13 UTC
If I was in charge I would look the "new UI engineer(s)" dead in the eye and ask, fairly loudly:

If we have to make it function like the old one because the users liked the old way, then what is the point?"

Then I would tell them to roll back the code, having to make it like the old code is proof it was not an improvement in the first place.

OMG You are sooo pixel macho...