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CCP: Are there plans for tablet client?

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wizardd
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-06-14 12:40:03 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
You might want to look at this EVE-Online on a Tablet

Thanks for sharing that. Very interesting.
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-06-14 12:44:05 UTC
wizardd wrote:
But the touch screen is actually better than using mouse.


I disagree.

I've been playing more with my DS lately and the touch controls are inferior to traditional controllers in my opinion.

-Your hand occludes the screen! It's bad if you can't see your entire HUD in a fast situation. Changes happening on a list are easier to spot than rereading the list after losing visual.

-Vulnerable to misinterpretation by the software. Was that a double tap or did you just tap something and try to wipe right after? The options here are either imprecision or input lag, neither of which is preferable.

-Bigger arm muscles have less precision than fingers. Your buttons are located close to each other and easily accessable with just your fingers. On a touchscreen you need to move your hands back and forth unless you want to occlude the screen. This results in slower reaction times and lower accuracy. Not by that much but still.

-The need of a stylus. I find it unlikely that you could fit everything on screen in a game with so many lists as EvE without one. People with bigger fingers need bigger icons and bigger font for lists you can interact with, not to mention getting fingerprints that show clearly in sunlight. This of course means you still have a pointer and not a buttonlike approach, unless you want to accidentally select other items.

The only thing I can think of in favour of the tablets is mobility. Even then it's not that big of an advantage as we have laptops that are nearly as portable. If you want to play in a bus or car pool, then a tablet will be superior because you don't generally have enough room to set up a mousepad.

This post was rated "C" for capsuleer.

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-06-14 12:47:19 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Don't think tablets have quite caught up with EVE just yet.



Same feeling here.

brb

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-06-14 12:48:04 UTC
Tablets are usable for showing f.ex various information, but for actual gameplay which is time-critical? I don't think so.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-06-14 12:49:15 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
You might want to look at this EVE-Online on a Tablet



Holly crap !! Forget my post above.

Me wants !!!

brb

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#26 - 2012-06-14 12:52:06 UTC
wizardd wrote:
Gonada wrote:


I read your post
op asking if work being done to have a tablet client not replace desktop gaming.
Relax:)
Exactly

It´s perfectly natural that humans fear changes. But not everyone. History has shown that technology evolves and there isn´t anyreason why PC should stay in form of desktop.

I predict that laptops will be gone before desktops, and replaced by portable devices. After that desktops.

Also I predict that Microsoft and Windows will be gone very soon.

Linux is hitting portable devices too, for example Ubuntu.

Android is growing very fast, and getting lot´s of office work related tools and software.

I must be honest with you guys, I was seriously surprised how handy tablet actually is. Some of my friends, that don´t play games have only smartphone and tablet. They use tablet as their computer, and smartphone as their phone.

Android might be the breakthrough for gaming industry to get rid of Windows.


There is only so much battery life and CPU power you can squeeze into an ever slimming down device.
So I fear your optimism is a bit over the top.
Verone
Veto Corp
#27 - 2012-06-14 13:03:50 UTC

The whole concept of using a touch screen is for space saving purposes and mobile functionality.

It's utterly pointless, sluggish and for the best part badly thought out to introduce it to a desktop computer as the main means of interaction.

Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM

Rudgier Thorrin
Noob Constructions LTD
#28 - 2012-06-14 13:18:13 UTC
I find my 22'' monitor too small for EVE, can't imagine fitting all the windows I usually have opened into eight or ten inches and still being able to precisely pick what I need from the overview or fleet broadcasts.

I'd end my post here, but there is one more thing I feel I need to address:
OP wrote:
you could basically do programming with them
>>CLICK<<

Seriously dude, good luck writing a couple hundred lines of code with an on-screen keyboard. Unless you mean one of those, but then again you basically got a small laptop.

Implying I need a signature

wizardd
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-06-14 14:24:44 UTC
Rudgier Thorrin wrote:
I find my 22'' monitor too small for EVE, can't imagine fitting all the windows I usually have opened into eight or ten inches and still being able to precisely pick what I need from the overview or fleet broadcasts.

I'd end my post here, but there is one more thing I feel I need to address:
OP wrote:
you could basically do programming with them
>>CLICK<<

Seriously dude, good luck writing a couple hundred lines of code with an on-screen keyboard. Unless you mean one of those, but then again you basically got a small laptop.

You know that the need of 22" monitor is the problem.

EVE´s GUI must get rid of windows that we don´t really need.

One large issue is the local chat as intel tool wich much be removed. It´s plain stupid and uses massive amount of your screen.

I don´t see a reason why we should have everything visible and then from tiny hole between those windows we actually see bit of the space ship we are flying.

More space, more planets, more ship, less GUI-clutter.

CCP need to figure out more innovate, miniatyre GUI.

In large fights we already have to scroll overview list, so that wouldn´t be problem with smaller screen. We just need more options for sorting out the overview.

Btw, do you guys realise that you can connect kb or drawing board into tablets? Modern bluetooth keyboards don´t need large AA or AAA batteries. Printers are WIFI nowadays, headsets are bluetooth.

Anyhoo, the change is coming, no matter how bitter the bitter vets are.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-06-14 14:31:18 UTC
I own an android device and have played a wide variety of games on it.

Touchscreens suck for games. 'Nuff said.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Alrione
Black Lagoon Inc.
#31 - 2012-06-14 14:55:30 UTC
wizardd wrote:

Tablets are the future of gaming, and desktop PC's are dying species. Even laptops will suffer alot.

Right now tablets can do basically everything. You can do office work with them, you could basically do programming with them, you can use web applications via browser. You can talk with your friends with phone, or skype etc. You can use 3g, WIFI. We are closing at the point where the scifi PDA thingy is real.


Its like I'm on the "Buzzwords: The Conference". You sound like our marketing team when it comes to CLOUD EVERYTHING.
Desktops aren't going anywhere and pads are nowhere near as useful as you describing.
If i got told I had to program on the bloody thing I would change career.
Joe Hinken
Cetan Consortium
#32 - 2012-06-14 15:02:28 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
wizardd wrote:
touch screen is better than using mouse.


My working man's hands+my iPhone says No.


My 23" touchscreen agrees with you.

If there was less right clicking, sure, EvE would be a great candidate for touchscreens. But IMO the best touchscreen functionality currently in the game is activating mods, and that's about it.

Brick Royl > bad timing the isk is deflating fatser then a baloon in a cactus shop

Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-06-14 15:25:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucy Ferrr
You can play Eve on a tablet because I play Eve Online on my smart phone (G2 from T-mobile). The game is actually running on my PC at home, and then I can remote control my PC via my cell phone. I havent done any PvP via the phone, but basically everything else in Eve I have.
Equus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-06-14 15:33:29 UTC
I don't know if it has been said, I am too lazy to read every post, Windows 8 on tablets will be here by the end of the year-ish. So the solution will be install Eve on new Windows 8 tablet, viola, Eve on a tablet.

Doing a specific version for android or ios I cannot see as being profitable and just because there are some pretty games on a device does not mean they have a great GPU, and with 90% of the android tablets on the market be made on the cheap, not to mention the horrid fragmentation in OS, resolution and specs, coding a game like eve for it would be a nightmare, at least in my limited opinion.

Put it on iOS? Are you kidding me? You know that if CCP made an iOS client that Apple would demand 30% of every subscription right? That is the apple way when you get into their ecosystem.

Again, have a little patience and just wait, while I personally don't believe the average windows tablet will be able to handle eve all that well, I am sure if you shell out some extra dollars you can find one that at least half-ass works.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#35 - 2012-06-14 15:52:56 UTC
CCP is trying to get rid of as many things that need supporting as possible. Simple client, gone. Widescreen mode, gone. The only reason that the unified inventory is being updated is because it is such a mess. From the sounds of things the next part of the game to take a 'too hard to support' hit will be the right-click menus. I am trying to think of a single 'improvement' to this game in the last couple years that allowed players an option to use it. Incarna and WiS only gave the option of 'door' and the hangar came back only because the player base rioted.

Anyhow, until a tablet can have the power of a PC I wouldn't count on the EVE PC client being able to run on it. I would highly doubt that CCP is going to put any energy in to special client or optional interfaces for non keyboard and mouse users(too much support required). Your best bet will be to use an app like TeamViewer and remote your computer

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Dheeradj Nurgle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-06-14 16:00:29 UTC
wizardd wrote:


Tablets are the future of gaming.


As long as IT professionals know what they're doing, it'll never happen. Nobody is stupid enough to believe that Tablets are the future of gaming...... Oh wait, YOU are! Shame on you.
Mokokan
Transtar Services
#37 - 2012-06-14 16:25:58 UTC
So I'm hearing that even if tablets equal or surpass desktops, we still have the controller precision issues to deal with. Makes sense to me. But I do have to point out that even if we al were to agree that tablet will ever remain inferior to desktops, that is no guarantee that they will not become the future of gaming. It's what sells that determines where we go from here. In reception, clarity and reliability, landline phones are still far superior to cell phones. But that is not why people use them and why landlines are disappearing fast.

tl:dr = Just because it doesnt make sense doesnt mean it wont happen.
Din Chao
#38 - 2012-06-14 16:32:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Din Chao
wizardd wrote:
You know that the need of 22" monitor is the problem.

EVE´s GUI must get rid of windows that we don´t really need.

One large issue is the local chat as intel tool wich much be removed. It´s plain stupid and uses massive amount of your screen.

I don´t see a reason why we should have everything visible and then from tiny hole between those windows we actually see bit of the space ship we are flying.

More space, more planets, more ship, less GUI-clutter.

CCP need to figure out more innovate, miniatyre GUI.

In large fights we already have to scroll overview list, so that wouldn´t be problem with smaller screen. We just need more options for sorting out the overview.

Btw, do you guys realise that you can connect kb or drawing board into tablets? Modern bluetooth keyboards don´t need large AA or AAA batteries. Printers are WIFI nowadays, headsets are bluetooth.

Anyhoo, the change is coming, no matter how bitter the bitter vets are.

Sounds like you want to play a different game, which should be easy to do. But EvE is a little too complex to start eliminating sources of information from the screen. Sorry, EvE without the information provided by chats, scanners, the overview and even the inventory screens is a completely different game.

And yes, you can connect a keyboard, drawing board, and a few more useful peripherals to a tablet. At which point in order to use it you then have to mount the tablet on some sort of flat surface to operate it. I don't know, maybe the top of a desk or something...
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#39 - 2012-06-14 16:35:33 UTC
EVE + touch screen is a terrible idea.

I know, I've played some with it.

Have a touch monitor at home, and it is not that easy to play EVE with it. Less precise, and much more energy required. Also, there is a noticeable delay in response between finger touch screen and stuff happening. Not good for anything other than market trading and ship spinning.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#40 - 2012-06-14 16:38:43 UTC
Mokokan wrote:
So I'm hearing that even if tablets equal or surpass desktops, we still have the controller precision issues to deal with. Makes sense to me. But I do have to point out that even if we al were to agree that tablet will ever remain inferior to desktops, that is no guarantee that they will not become the future of gaming. It's what sells that determines where we go from here. In reception, clarity and reliability, landline phones are still far superior to cell phones. But that is not why people use them and why landlines are disappearing fast.

tl:dr = Just because it doesnt make sense doesnt mean it wont happen.

A problem with your comparison. Landlilne phones had stopped being upgraded since the days of the Dinosaurs. Ancient tech for the most part.

Whereas PC parts are being innovated every day.


High end consoles were not the death of PC gaming, neither will lol tablets.