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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-06-14 11:04:16 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Make new ACCOUNTS untargetable for the first 14 days of its existance in HISEC. that way new guys have time to do their story arcs, get used to flying and so on in hisec. This would only stop players targetting them obviously. That way, no strange rules, no areas where they can or cant be shot, you simply cant shot a new account in hisec for 14 days.

Go to lowsec, nullsec or wormholes and normal rules apply.


But what if the newbie is the aggressor? Not fun going up against an indestructible Cruiser/Destroyer!

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-06-14 11:06:17 UTC
OP, get over it .
It is real easy to avoid a newbie.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-06-14 11:16:19 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Make new ACCOUNTS untargetable for the first 14 days of its existance in HISEC. that way new guys have time to do their story arcs, get used to flying and so on in hisec. This would only stop players targetting them obviously. That way, no strange rules, no areas where they can or cant be shot, you simply cant shot a new account in hisec for 14 days.

Go to lowsec, nullsec or wormholes and normal rules apply.


But what if the newbie is the aggressor? Not fun going up against an indestructible Cruiser/Destroyer!



Make it so until account is over 14 days that they also cant target players.

Actually youd have to make it so 14 day old and under accounts cant do damage to players and vice versa, people need to be able to scan them as ccp would have to make it an exploit to ship high value cargo with new accounts, otherwise people will create an account and ship plex and so on to jita in perfect safety, that would have to be a petiionable exploit resulting in a perma ban.

So basically players of under 14 days can not do damage to other players and vice versa can not receive damage from players. This eliminates smartbombs too, but allows cargo scanning etc to pick up on people exploiting that invulnerabilty.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2012-06-14 11:19:16 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Rico Minali wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Make new ACCOUNTS untargetable for the first 14 days of its existance in HISEC. that way new guys have time to do their story arcs, get used to flying and so on in hisec. This would only stop players targetting them obviously. That way, no strange rules, no areas where they can or cant be shot, you simply cant shot a new account in hisec for 14 days.

Go to lowsec, nullsec or wormholes and normal rules apply.


But what if the newbie is the aggressor? Not fun going up against an indestructible Cruiser/Destroyer!



Make it so until account is over 14 days that they also cant target players.

Actually youd have to make it so 14 day old and under accounts cant do damage to players and vice versa, people need to be able to scan them as ccp would have to make it an exploit to ship high value cargo with new accounts, otherwise people will create an account and ship plex and so on to jita in perfect safety, that would have to be a petiionable exploit resulting in a perma ban.

So basically players of under 14 days can not do damage to other players and vice versa can not receive damage from players. This eliminates smartbombs too, but allows cargo scanning etc to pick up on people exploiting that invulnerabilty.


Then you are spoiling a nubs fun as they cant pvp for 14 days making them useless to corps/alliances. Part of the glory that is EVE is that 30 minutes into the game you can be out in 0.0 tackiling a carrier for a fleet to kill.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-06-14 11:35:41 UTC
I wish CONCORD were still tankable, there is no reason for them not to be so. If you commit a crime deserving of a concord response then this should mean certain death but with enough tank/logi you should be able to tank them. The longer you tank the more concord ships arrive until the dps is untankable.

Also, if you commit a crime in CONCORD controlled space, you shouldn't be able to grind your standing up, instead you should have to hand yourself in and receive a skill point hit.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Atheos Aristoi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-06-14 12:15:30 UTC
At what point did the player base become Xenophobic?
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-06-14 14:10:45 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
If CCP doesn't want us to mess with new pilots, just make them invulnerable for the first 30 days and be done with it. I can't tell who's a rookie and who's not. I do not show-info on someone before I engage them. and I have no way of knowing if a character is alt #378 of a vet or a noob's first character.

Inb4 massive alt blobs for new fleet tactics.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
Atrocitus Parallax
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-06-14 14:54:38 UTC
A bitter vet, a vet, and a newb walk into a bar, which ones leaves because the bar changed welcome matte from a brown one to a light brown one?
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-06-14 15:01:18 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
I got wardecced by DigitalCommunist in my first week in EVE.
I realized that he couldn't activate his scrams on his pre-nerf nanoranis, or warp to where my t1 punisher was if he was busy replying to my endless local smack
really i learned everything i needed to know about how to survive in EVE in that first week (always local smack)


What happened to smack talk, used to be everywhere in game, maybe I've been in hi to long lol. Most of the time I see smack in local now its russian and I have to guess what they are saying about my mum Cry

Tal


you're mom is so fat, when she goes out in heels she comes back in flipflops. How's that

Pog mo thoin

Austneal
Nero Fazione
#30 - 2012-06-14 15:15:33 UTC
What happened to Eve being a harsh, cutthroat universe? Hell, my first few days consisted of dying and getting podded in a highsec war, because I didnt know wtf was going on :P

This isnt WoW... if the newbies want protection, go make some friends. But that's just my opinion
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-06-14 15:16:22 UTC
Atheos Aristoi wrote:
At what point did the player base become Xenophobic?


About 9 years ago.

See NBSI
Trappist Monk
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-06-14 15:20:38 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
If CCP doesn't want us to mess with new pilots, just make them invulnerable for the first 30 days and be done with it. I can't tell who's a rookie and who's not. I do not show-info on someone before I engage them. and I have no way of knowing if a character is alt #378 of a vet or a noob's first character.

+1
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-06-14 20:28:51 UTC
Aemonchichi wrote:
Ris Dnalor wrote:

If CCP doesn't want us to mess with new pilots, just make them invulnerable for the first 30 days and be done with it. I can't tell who's a rookie and who's not.


its a pity you need other people to do your decisions for you



does your pity come with isk?

I like isk Lol

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-06-14 20:30:29 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
OP, get over it .
It is real easy to avoid a newbie.



I propose that you are incorrect! Shocked

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#35 - 2012-06-14 20:43:08 UTC
Austneal wrote:
What happened to Eve being a harsh, cutthroat universe? Hell, my first few days consisted of dying and getting podded in a highsec war, because I didnt know wtf was going on :P

This isnt WoW... if the newbies want protection, go make some friends. But that's just my opinion

No we have to bubble wrap the newbies so that they think they are entitled to be left alone so that they grow up to become the next generation of highsec carebears who think they are entitled to be able to run missions 23/7 without ever having to interact with another person.

I'm all for making the game suck less for new players, but threatening everyone who plays the game with a ban if they do anything at all to a new player is completely contrary to the spirit of the game.

Hell, there is a trailer that starts with a newbie getting ganked and how he proceeded from there to get revenge. The policy of forcing people to avoid new players is literally the opposite of how the game is advertised and just sets up new players for a bigger fall later.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2012-06-14 20:46:44 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Austneal wrote:
What happened to Eve being a harsh, cutthroat universe? Hell, my first few days consisted of dying and getting podded in a highsec war, because I didnt know wtf was going on :P

This isnt WoW... if the newbies want protection, go make some friends. But that's just my opinion

No we have to bubble wrap the newbies so that they think they are entitled to be left alone so that they grow up to become the next generation of highsec carebears who think they are entitled to be able to run missions 23/7 without ever having to interact with another person.

I'm all for making the game suck less for new players, but threatening everyone who plays the game with a ban if they do anything at all to a new player is completely contrary to the spirit of the game.

Hell, there is a trailer that starts with a newbie getting ganked and how he proceeded from there to get revenge. The policy of forcing people to avoid new players is literally the opposite of how the game is advertised and just sets up new players for a bigger fall later.


well said.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-06-15 07:31:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Make new ACCOUNTS untargetable for the first 14 days of its existance in HISEC. that way new guys have time to do their story arcs, get used to flying and so on in hisec. This would only stop players targetting them obviously. That way, no strange rules, no areas where they can or cant be shot, you simply cant shot a new account in hisec for 14 days.

Go to lowsec, nullsec or wormholes and normal rules apply.


But what if the newbie is the aggressor? Not fun going up against an indestructible Cruiser/Destroyer!



Make it so until account is over 14 days that they also cant target players.

Actually youd have to make it so 14 day old and under accounts cant do damage to players and vice versa, people need to be able to scan them as ccp would have to make it an exploit to ship high value cargo with new accounts, otherwise people will create an account and ship plex and so on to jita in perfect safety, that would have to be a petiionable exploit resulting in a perma ban.

So basically players of under 14 days can not do damage to other players and vice versa can not receive damage from players. This eliminates smartbombs too, but allows cargo scanning etc to pick up on people exploiting that invulnerabilty.


Then you are spoiling a nubs fun as they cant pvp for 14 days making them useless to corps/alliances. Part of the glory that is EVE is that 30 minutes into the game you can be out in 0.0 tackiling a carrier for a fleet to kill.


You missed the important part where I said in HISEC... In lowsec, nullsec and WHs none of this would apply. It allows new ACCOUNTS (not just a new character) to stay in hisec safely for 14 days before being thrown into the fire IF they choose to. Possibly have teh ability to opt out of the safety at any point too, non returnable...

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#38 - 2012-06-15 08:48:49 UTC
Ris Dnalor wrote:
I can't tell who's a rookie and who's not. I do not show-info on someone before I engage them. and I have no way of knowing if a character is alt #378 of a vet or a noob's first character.


This sounds something like:
"But, judge... I didn't know how old she was. You don't expect me to ask for an ID of every girl I meet, do you?"

Moral of the story: If you are not sure, approach only Battleships and 40+ year old "cougars". You know that they are experienced and even though they may look dangerous,if you engage them successfully you could be rewarded beyond your wildest dreams. Alternatively, you can try to stay out of places like noob systems.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-06-16 02:43:13 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Ris Dnalor wrote:
I can't tell who's a rookie and who's not. I do not show-info on someone before I engage them. and I have no way of knowing if a character is alt #378 of a vet or a noob's first character.


This sounds something like:
"But, judge... I didn't know how old she was. You don't expect me to ask for an ID of every girl I meet, do you?"

Moral of the story: If you are not sure, approach only Battleships and 40+ year old "cougars". You know that they are experienced and even though they may look dangerous,if you engage them successfully you could be rewarded beyond your wildest dreams. Alternatively, you can try to stay out of places like noob systems.



except that it's not like that at all.


Vets have multiple characters on multiple accounts, CCP has said the GM's can easily tell who is new, but we cannot.


It's like asking someone to obey the speed limit, then not post any speed limit signs.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961

EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody

  • Qolde
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-06-16 03:27:25 UTC
Ban Bindy wrote:
Confirming that I don't care how things were done in the old days.


Confirming your status as a "I want everything now cry baby"
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