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Vanguard Un-Nerf

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Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#1 - 2012-06-13 17:05:48 UTC
Quote:
We have rolled back the following changes:

Lowering the reward for vanguard sites by 10%
The system influence

-CCP Affinity


How many people will be going back and trying Vanguards after the un-nerf ?

♞
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#2 - 2012-06-13 18:56:36 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
Quote:
We have rolled back the following changes:

Lowering the reward for vanguard sites by 10%
The system influence

-CCP Affinity


How many people will be going back and trying Vanguards after the un-nerf ?


The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Mazzy Star
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-06-13 19:02:16 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
Quote:
We have rolled back the following changes:

Lowering the reward for vanguard sites by 10%
The system influence

-CCP Affinity


How many people will be going back and trying Vanguards after the un-nerf ?


The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours


Tragedy strikes again.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#4 - 2012-06-13 19:27:12 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours

Can I have your bling incursion ship? I'm starting a collection.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#5 - 2012-06-13 20:15:23 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:

I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours


so you're crying that you don't have that big isk income from incursions and try to convince us or ccp that you was paying for subscription. Roll
Suqq Madiq
#6 - 2012-06-13 20:27:03 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours


This is the best news the EVE community has had since, well, since the Incursion nerf went live. Lol
drdxie
#7 - 2012-06-13 20:49:27 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
Quote:
We have rolled back the following changes:

Lowering the reward for vanguard sites by 10%
The system influence

-CCP Affinity


How many people will be going back and trying Vanguards after the un-nerf ?



Only reason I stopped doing incursions is because fleets dried up. I play from EVE time 7 to DT, and finding fleets even in a shiny NM is a ***** at that time since the nerf. I seriously doubt this is un-nerf is going to be able to bring back the VG fleets. But lets wait and see...

Caldari Loving needed.. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1608277&#post1608277
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#8 - 2012-06-13 21:20:40 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:

The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours


I don't understand.

You unsubscribed because you can't make fake money?

What exactly do you do with your fake money?
Nambr1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-06-13 23:48:38 UTC
Liliana Rahl wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:

The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours


I don't understand.

You unsubscribed because you can't make fake money?

What exactly do you do with your fake money?




lol ... fake money ..... Shocked

The only thing u ppl said about incursions was they killed plex market. Incs are nerfed now and plex prices are same. So that wasnt problem.

Problem is that CCP gave 10 apples, then they took 9 (nerf) and now they are giving back 1 apple. This isnt un-nerf, ppl have 2 apples and they had 10.

I dont know what you have against hi sec ppl with a lot of isk. They play game in their way, you do that in yours. The only thing I see here is jealousy from 10yo kids.
The good thing is that they will spend isk coming in 0.0, low sec and you will have nice kills.

If your point is RMT, every player who do that or boting (0.0 is full of bots and RMTS) should be banned.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-06-13 23:58:48 UTC
Nambr1 wrote:

If your point is RMT, every player who do that or boting (0.0 is full of bots and RMTS) should be banned.


I heard CCP cracked down on the bots recently. I remember a while back a bunch of us reported bots we found in 0.0. We were shocked when CCP did nothing. I know bots are paying the same 15 bucks a month as the rest of us but maybe CCP realized they mess up the game.
Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#11 - 2012-06-14 00:07:40 UTC
Nambr1 wrote:
Liliana Rahl wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:

The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours


I don't understand.

You unsubscribed because you can't make fake money?

What exactly do you do with your fake money?




lol ... fake money ..... Shocked

The only thing u ppl said about incursions was they killed plex market. Incs are nerfed now and plex prices are same. So that wasnt problem.

Problem is that CCP gave 10 apples, then they took 9 (nerf) and now they are giving back 1 apple. This isnt un-nerf, ppl have 2 apples and they had 10.

I dont know what you have against hi sec ppl with a lot of isk. They play game in their way, you do that in yours. The only thing I see here is jealousy from 10yo kids.
The good thing is that they will spend isk coming in 0.0, low sec and you will have nice kills.

If your point is RMT, every player who do that or boting (0.0 is full of bots and RMTS) should be banned.


I dont think plex staying the same, it's dropping, learn to check price in jita
Flakey Foont
#12 - 2012-06-14 00:11:20 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Keith Planck wrote:
Quote:
We have rolled back the following changes:

Lowering the reward for vanguard sites by 10%
The system influence

-CCP Affinity


How many people will be going back and trying Vanguards after the un-nerf ?


The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours


You will be missed. I guess.
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#13 - 2012-06-14 00:28:39 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
Quote:
We have rolled back the following changes:

Lowering the reward for vanguard sites by 10%
The system influence

-CCP Affinity


How many people will be going back and trying Vanguards after the un-nerf ?


I wouldn't call that "un-nerf" - actual un-nerf is still months away. It doesn't matter if OTAs theoretically pay 9 or 10m when they are impossible to finish and there are no other sites unless you are logged in right after DT.
Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#14 - 2012-06-14 06:31:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Keith Planck
DarthNefarius wrote:

The partial un nerf (rollback) does not address the real issue which floored the Vanguards: OTA's are now too dificult and are stacking like pancakes.
I've unsubscribed and my subscription time runs out in under 24 hours


I don't think one subscription is enough to sway CCP but I do agree with you that the 10% pay increase will not breath life back into VGs. They currently arn't even worth running if you DO have a bunch of dedicated corp members.

drdxie wrote:


Only reason I stopped doing incursions is because fleets dried up. I play from EVE time 7 to DT, and finding fleets even in a shiny NM is a ***** at that time since the nerf. I seriously doubt this is un-nerf is going to be able to bring back the VG fleets. But lets wait and see...


There were a few incursion FCs that tried to keep forming VG fleets, as far as i know DJ Noob is still sticking it out. But the community is gone and trying to form a fleet takes hours, being more of a statement then a way to have fun and get isk. Incursions were ALL about the public fleets, if you have the coordination to get 12 people into 4 billion isk ships, your not farming the pitiful isk that incursions give, your in a C6...

Lipbite wrote:


I wouldn't call that "un-nerf" - actual un-nerf is still months away. It doesn't matter if OTAs theoretically pay 9 or 10m when they are impossible to finish and there are no other sites unless you are logged in right after DT.


This is what I think is the big problem. T1 battleship pubby vanguard fleet would run 30mil/hr while being trashed by shiny fleets, and still have a great time doing it. It's not that vanguards don't make enough isk/hr. It's that they don't pay enough for shiny fleets to run them, and they are too difficult for non-shiny fleets... so... no one does them...

Make it easier but nerf the payout, so shiny fleets can't take advantage of them and do assaults, but pubby fleets get to run them.

♞
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#15 - 2012-06-14 07:20:53 UTC
Keith Planck wrote:
Quote:
We have rolled back the following changes:

Lowering the reward for vanguard sites by 10%
The system influence

-CCP Affinity


How many people will be going back and trying Vanguards after the un-nerf ?


People will return to running OTAs when the OTA site stops being a pain in the arse to run. The OTAs became a PITA because all the following conditions were imposed: a) the completion requirement became "kill everything", b) the things that spawn are more dangerous, c) more/different things spawn. The rollback removes none of those conditions.

The extra money and the lessening of general Sanshas "dangerousness" might help, but OTAs are still a PITA.

Day 0 Advice for New Players
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#16 - 2012-06-14 11:48:53 UTC
Nambr1 wrote:

lol ... fake money ..... Shocked

The only thing u ppl said about incursions was they killed plex market. Incs are nerfed now and plex prices are same. So that wasnt problem.

Problem is that CCP gave 10 apples, then they took 9 (nerf) and now they are giving back 1 apple. This isnt un-nerf, ppl have 2 apples and they had 10.

I dont know what you have against hi sec ppl with a lot of isk. They play game in their way, you do that in yours. The only thing I see here is jealousy from 10yo kids.
The good thing is that they will spend isk coming in 0.0, low sec and you will have nice kills.

If your point is RMT, every player who do that or boting (0.0 is full of bots and RMTS) should be banned.


I'm actually 11.

And my point was that it sounds as though a lot of people are simply upset because they can't continue to watch their wallets tick up so that they can....continue to watch their wallets tick up. Re: I'm fairly certain some people play this game for the sole purpose of making a lot of fake money (isk) and that blows my mind.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#17 - 2012-06-14 11:59:41 UTC
Nambr1 wrote:
I dont know what you have against hi sec ppl with a lot of isk.

No one does. I *am* one of those. The objection we've always had is that it's an imbalanced isk generator. Highsec incursions are a zero-risk prospect that had one of the highest payouts in the game, pre-nerf. Comparable sources of income could only be found in high-class wormholes and well-protected deep nullsec systems. The only real risk in highsec incursions is introduced by the players themselves by fleeting with unknowns and relying on complete strangers to ensure the safety of their ships. If you'd do what the rest of Eve does and fly with people you know to be competent, you wouldn't have to worry about that at all.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-06-14 13:43:31 UTC
Once you drive away customers, you'll have to work 10x as hard to get them back.

A slight unnerf isn't even close to getting wh dwellers back out of their holes... It will have to be a full rollback, and then some.
Mazzy Star
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2012-06-14 14:18:46 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
Once you drive away customers, you'll have to work 10x as hard to get them back.

A slight unnerf isn't even close to getting wh dwellers back out of their holes... It will have to be a full rollback, and then some.


You talk as if all the people who previously ran incursions unsubscribed, rather than ****** off to another part of space to earn their ISK instead. Roll While I personally think the nerf was a bit too extreme, VGs were always a repetitive grind and never really that interesting to begin with. In a BS fleet, you did OTA after OTA, killing the enemies in the exact same order each and every time. That's not interesting PVE content - that's a grind. My hope is that CCP continues to develop incursions, adding more types of sites and adjusting payouts accordingly.

But seriously, if you played this game ONLY to do vanguard incursions and you quit because vanguards got nerfed, well, that's just comical to me. There are other good ways to earn ISK in this game, and if you actually enjoyed running with incursion fleets, there are still fleets running assaults and making pretty good cash doing it and there you'll have double the people in fleet for that sense of "community."
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#20 - 2012-06-14 14:37:44 UTC
Mazzy Star wrote:
if you played this game ONLY to do vanguard incursions and you quit because vanguards got nerfed, well, that's just comical to me.


That may be comical only to a person who never spent 1-4 hours waiting for a spot in the only HQ or AS fleet running. Because there are no vanguard fleets anymore - at least not for shield ships.
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