Intergalactic Summit

Ah yes, the old Amarrian standby - "but but but you're doing..."

No. Federal behaviour is not the subject of this conversation, and attempting to divert the topic of this conversation is a very transparent and desperate ploy. Find something better.



Yes, we managed to surpass you technologically in merely half a millenium - quite impressive, really. If we were assaulting them, I strongly suspect we weren't attempting to steal your obselete technology - we were more likely attempting to prevent you from improving it. A fine strategy, actually. Mind you, Amarrian science lags behind in almost every area besides laser and power generation technology - I'll admit you have us beat on those (but we don't use laser weapons anyway). Stealing research data is far more forgiveable, in any case, than stealing human lives.



You've devolved into racial epiphets based on your entirely unwarranted sense of ethnic superiority. This conversation is basically over.



Dear Intaki, you actually said that with a straight face, didn't you?

Horribly hubristic Holders herald horrifying hatred.

So if you insist on holding slaves, be a good Holder at least.

'Nuff said.

Andreus Ixiris

1. This wasn't an attempt of but but anything. You act like your culture has never done anything wrong and I'm pointing out they have.

2. You not stopping us from advancing tech, if anything your combat methods are flawed and under refined. Your ships armor tanked for instance go for a more regenerative approach then buffer. This would work if you had the power tech we do. I notice more then ever you fit your ships like ours then the recommended settings your people designed.

3. This isn't about racial epithets either stop projecting your hate for Amarr. We don't hate anybody, we see a vast cluster of people who are being social, morally and technology deprived. You can argue that the methods we used are wrong all you like in fact I encourage you to do so in a both a constructive manor, however the base cause of the entire reclaiming is to uplift those races who are not fortunate enough to be like us.

This has never been without racism, control, money or simply because we can. We have the tech to replace ever slave with machines but we choose not too. Hell the recent surge of capsulleers having planet side factories all automated set up in a blink of an eye is proof enough. Frankly machines lack the person touch of well handcrafted workmanship.

We choose not to because the act of enslaving someone in the Amarr faith is a step in a long road to find yourself in your place in the universe. To brake you down and remold the soul of the person. Only when the metal is hot and beaten can it be forged to a great purpose.

Also don't think I don't notice how you bend the rules of the IGS to suite your whim. Quoting up to five times in a reply to prevent me from responding to your arguments efficiently is cowardly. it is well known you refused to have a one on one debate in private or public and seeing how you have a done this on many occasions only reinforces that theory.



Then your holder is in error and we shall have this issue seen to at once. What you describe is not right.

The Theological Council thinks that such treatment, while maybe a bit irresponsible, is perfectly fine. Are you disagreeing with them?

Not that it matters much, mind you. The question whether slaves are "treated well" is irrelevant, although your surprise about the rather widespread bad treatment is amusing. Actually, it's pretty irrelevant whether you treat our people as slaves or as prisoners or whatever.

You keep them captives, we dislike that.

It does not look like as if we will start liking that you keep our people captive, no matter how much you tell us that it's just for our own good and you only want to help us - we do not want your help. Stick to your own kind.

Nor does it look like as if you will stop keeping our people captive any time soon, no matter how much you try to claim otherwise.

Which, I guess, means that we are on irreconcilable terms. Either of us could stop the hostilities: The Minmatar could just accept the property claims of the Amarr, or the Amarr could just agree to release our people in a sensible timeframe. Neither side does, nor does it look like they will.

Neither side wants peace on the other side's terms. Sadly, that means this war was inevitable. Let's hope that when it's over, there's something left for the winner to feel victorious over.

Reciprocate what? The hatred in your hearts? That is all you have brought. I'm beginning to think that is all you possess.

Capitals and in bold. Someone's sounds angry; Fitting, I suppose.

Didn't you just comment how powerful words are when used correctly? "Words not war" I think you put it. What sensible human being would accede to "I hate you Amarrians, come to the negtiating table in good faith..."? Thinking one can negotiate peace with the predisposition of hatred, subjectively justified or not, is not in good faith.

I do not hate the Matari, any logical Amarrian must concede that they quite literally helped make the Empire what it is today. Whatever the Elders instructed and reality are two different things. I understand they cannot control sentiments, but individuals can. I'm not suggesting we sit in a circle and say something nice about the neighbor to our left, but logically you must see our frustration when we hear "come make peace" only a few lines after calls for our blood. I hyperbolize to an extent, but you get my meaning.

Good day to you as well, Mr. Jaiga.

A hundred years of attempted peace and goodwill, the trust that the Empire means what it says, that indeed the Empire is reforming and that in the end, we will be able to coexist - we with our people returned in our space, you with your god in your space.

I suspect this feeling is mutual.

That's just it Miss Stjerna, the desire is geniune; war is not sustainable indefinitely. But who decides if a gesture is genuine? Am I right to assume that to you genuine desire must be accompanied by genuine action? You and your comrades obviously won't accept our sincerity on our say-so. The release of hundreds of millions of slaves is viewed as political posturing and downplayed, criminal slavers hunted and brought to justice isn't good enough, so I ask; to you, what would show our sincerity to the cause of reform and peace?

You know, it would have been much more believable if it had not been accompanied with a declaration of intent to reclaim the rest of us right away. As it has, it is tremendously difficult to see it as a genuine offer with the goal of establishing peaceful relations.

Or, well, if it had not been the oldest generations with the clear point of releasing those who have been brainwashed the most, but, say, those who have been enslaved the shortest. Say, those from the slave raids into the Republic of the last 100 years. The people that were released were released to placate Amarrian liberals without aggravating Amarrian conservatives too much - it had nothing to do with a peace offer. Jamyl never claimed it was, and the only people who try to turn it into such are some Amarrians on IGS.

While I am not Astrid, I'd like to point to a suggestion in another thread from a while ago.

I'm afraid that at this point, whatever peace talk we do will have to start with the Amarr stating clearly that they intend to release our people, together with a sensible time frame, and then start working on that. I don't think the Minmatar will wait another hundred years to see if the Amarr mean it this time around.

Though this is mostly idle talk, isn't it? You will not be able to influence the Empire, nor will we be able to influence the Republic. Any actual peace talk will have to happen between Sarum's and Shakor's diplomats. We simply get to play the cards we get dealt.

In Your Opionion.

Mistakes were made in the past that is true but the core of the truth remains the same regardless of how you feel.