Market Discussions

What is True demand ?

If we assume that Jita represents the most efficient market in new Eden then the market volume is best estimate we have.

That was actually a rhetorical question. I understand the implication is for consumption in manufacturing. However I was trying to make the point that the true demand, for market valuation purposes is the entire demand, speculation included.

Probably not all that informative. The problem is inventories, and not just raw minerals but everything that contains them. Every time you leave a ship in your hangar unused you are stockpiling minerals. Same with leaving loot in your hangar. Or market goods waiting to be sold. And what about inactive accounts?

The problem with measuring true supply and demand in Eve is that the carrying cost of inventory is basically zero. No storage costs and the "safe" return on isk is pretty much zilch. Therefore, unless you felt the price was going to fall or you wanted to raise cash there is no real incentive to clean out you hangars. So there is simply no way of telling if those looming inventories are going to depress prices or not.

If I need a dominix to run missions I could look in my assets and see if I had one handy somewhere or just run to the nearest market hub and pick up another one. When prices are this high I could decide I can't afford to buy another or that I didn't want to risk the price collapsing and taking a loss. Obviously, these are individual decisions and there is not much data to go on to decide how Eve players will behave. First, the vast majority of players have never seen prices this high and second, prices have never risen this much, in fact they have usually declined over time.

I have argued that you could easily interpret that the replacement of meta 0 loot with metal scraps is CCP's way to get a handle on how much of the stuff sitting around in hangars is unprocessed loot. The fact is they have tons of data but they have their own internal arguments about what the data means. Look at the dev blog about the money supply. It's actually an analogous situation. Just because people have more isk in their wallets doesn't mean that all that isk is weighing on the economy.

That you just bought a large stack of Isogen and are trying to use your reputation as a knowledgeable mineral baron to get other people to buy.

Oh and by the way...



This is old, but Jita is a very low indicator of true demand.

No, because there are plenty of people in this game who are highly uninformed. Such people always guarantee at least some supply of a given mineral. However, these people cannot come close to supplying Isogen, so ultimately I agree with you - its due to spike, once stockpiles are exhausted.

I would say this would depend on the availability of other belts/ roids/ grav sites in the system.

Ive got somewhat limited experience mining but how hard is it to move belts.

Right click, warp to belt 2.

Done.

Grav sites might be another matter entirely perhaps but I dont think that would account for hi-sec supply. Id say its one of three possible causes

a) Huge stockpiles of Iso are around from meta 0 reprocessing. These are being slowly bled off along with high level long term speculation.

or

b) There is an npc source of Iso to account for its prevalence.

or

c) High sec miners are honestly that stupid that they COLLECTIVELY have never bothered to look at any of the refining data available, or have spoken to one another about the lack of profitability in Omber, or are convinced that it is quicker/better to mine all roids in a belt rather then cherry pick.


I really doubt its c) tbh. In saying that though I have met miners who insist on mining all roids in a belt. I think there is something of a feeling of accomplishment to leave a belt completely stripped.

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Not you made not bad for the head etablissant formulae in the walnut but use the baseprices which are in the DB

and you can easly etablish the ratio of any mineral


Name Base npc
Tritanium 1,50
Pyerite 4,00
Mexallon 15,00
Isogen 64,00
Nocxium 300,00
Zydrine 4 600,00
Megacyte 6 700,00
Mophite 20 000,00

RefCcpId Materials Weighting
34 Tritanium 1
35 Pyerite 1/ 2
36 Mexallon 1/ 4
37 Isogene 1/ 8
38 Noxcium 1/16
39 Zydrine 1/32
40 Megacyte 1/64
11399 Morphite 1/99



but for building you must n evaluat the ratio of each kind of buid , id you know that you can evaluat market needs

It’s interesting to see Scordite as profitable as Bistot.

Is high sec mining more profitable than null sec mining? (Accounting for fees and transportation time)

This, If kernite had a lot less or no isogen then omber would become a valuable ore to mine. But as it is kernite produces enough isogen to satisfy isogen demand thus no need to mine omber for isogen. Almost anything that requires isogen to build also need mexallon in a slightly higher quantity. Thus Kernite is the prefered supply for these minerals. As a side benefit you even get a chunk of tritanium which is needed in great quantities for everything. Granted omber also has tritanium but it produces less isogen and less tritanium per refine unit than kernite does. And the amount of pyerite in ombar is not worth it either as we mine scordite for that plus trit. Omber is thus the bastard child of ores which does not fit demand in any combination very well. Other combinations of ores are much more effective in generating the minerals required and efficiency required for building stuff for eve.