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Carriers and other capitals in C2s

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Deanne Echerie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-06-14 08:44:59 UTC
So from what I understand in lower lvl wormholes there is no escalation, yet I see people selling whs with capitals in them... is there some reason for going through the effort to build the capitals in smaller whs? like c2 or c3?

If not for escalation then why? Id imagine t he defensive value of the capitals dosent really outweigh the production effort...

anyway guess Im just asking why it would be worth it to see if I should consider producing a cap ship or 2 in my c2 with static c4

Thanks.
seany1212
M Y S T
#2 - 2012-06-14 08:49:54 UTC  |  Edited by: seany1212
Deanne Echerie wrote:
So from what I understand in lower lvl wormholes there is no escalation, yet I see people selling whs with capitals in them... is there some reason for going through the effort to build the capitals in smaller whs? like c2 or c3?

If not for escalation then why? Id imagine t he defensive value of the capitals dosent really outweigh the production effort...

anyway guess Im just asking why it would be worth it to see if I should consider producing a cap ship or 2 in my c2 with static c4

Thanks.


Home defence advantage (no other caps can be brought into your wormhole), lazy site running, logistics.

Either way it makes you a target, in that if people know you have one, given enough numbers they'll try and bait your capital out into pvp or just bash your tower in order to get some action Roll

edit: grammaaaaaar
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-14 10:01:24 UTC
people think that building caps in a c2 is going to protect them from getting stomped on.
generally it doesnt.

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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#4 - 2012-06-14 10:05:34 UTC
c4's are especially full of carriers, often in the hands of people who can barely use them.
MadbaM
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-06-14 11:29:47 UTC
Big Stick Syndrome.

I have lived in a C3 with a thany in hole and it was useless and anded up poping to a BC gang, not worth it don't bother. The one situation it was handy for was reping the pos mods after they where in caped during a failed eviction.

The only cap worth building in the low level holes is a roqe but that's only if your hard core industry set up, but as other people have said its going to make you a target rather than act as a deterrent.
Eveess
ChemiKals
Xenta.
#6 - 2012-06-14 11:46:07 UTC
many a time have we found carrier floating in pos's and we have watched the pos for hours address booked the pilots and when they log giggle like little girls hopeing for it to come out of the force field only to be blueballed amd have to go home empty handed

WHY YOU NO FIGHT IN YOUR CAPITALS !!!
Durzel
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#7 - 2012-06-14 11:51:47 UTC
Because you suck at cloaking Eveess!
Eveess
ChemiKals
Xenta.
#8 - 2012-06-14 11:58:41 UTC
Durzel wrote:
Because you suck at cloaking Eveess!



should have known riff raff like you would show up scrub
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-06-14 19:57:07 UTC
I haven't participated in a ton of POS bashes. As many here attest, they are tedious and boring, especially in WH's where you can't bring in caps.

The only times I have however its either because...

1. Fail fit POS with lots of potential goodies inside
2. Bait out known caps.

In every case I've seen the caps didn't help defense. rather they DIAF.

So yea I don't get why people bother. They seem to just make you a target.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#10 - 2012-06-14 21:02:27 UTC
Any caps in C4's and lower should be for defense only. And by defense, I mean an overwhelming force looking to remove you from your wormhole. Anyone using it for any other reason will probably end up losing it in some ******** fashion, and hopefully to us! Twisted

No trolling please

Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#11 - 2012-06-14 21:13:15 UTC
Recently saw three Thannys in a c1. DOA reinforced one of their pocos, and the next day they pulled two out to rep the poco. Few minutes later, two dead thannys.

Felt good man.

Also, capitals in lower class holes are stupid.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#12 - 2012-06-14 21:30:34 UTC
It's not stupid at all. If used correctly, it is a great advantage to have. Dreads makes removing the enemy POS that much quicker.

No trolling please

Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-15 02:03:59 UTC
caps in low class WH are good IF you keep them stored and NEVER use them for anything other than defence against attackers who don't know you have them.
If you leave them floating as a 'deterrent', youre just asking for it.

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Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#14 - 2012-06-15 05:16:05 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
caps in low class WH are good IF you keep them stored and NEVER use them for anything other than defence against attackers who don't know you have them.
If you leave them floating as a 'deterrent', youre just asking for it.


This.

Also, adjust stront timer to come out during attacker's off-time.

Rep POS shields to >50% using your Nidhoggur.

Add more stront.

Await tears.

http://www.wormholes.info

Bibosikus
Air
#15 - 2012-06-15 13:45:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Bibosikus
Most caps are built in C1/2 because j-space dwellers (even there) are filthy rich and and have nothing better to do than build silly ships as "experiments" which they can afford to lose wtih nothing more than a "meh, phailed that one".

Cue whinge from DarthNefarius...

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

Lohkil
Sunbreaker Directorate
#16 - 2012-06-15 13:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Lohkil
One thing to keep in mind by having capitals, is that they are not just useful for protection and site running (lazy style). But when people generally enter a system, spotting a capital on the system scanner normally gives you more peace of mind, since people tend to skip that wormhole and just roam through to the next one looking for easy kills.

But I must say in C2 sites, capitals are built because people simply have to much money. Smile
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-06-15 14:06:53 UTC
Lohkil wrote:
One thing to keep in mind by having capitals, is that they are not just useful for protection and site running (lazy style). But when people generally enter a system, spotting a capital on the system scanner normally gives you more peace of mind, since people tend to skip that wormhole and just roam through to the next one looking for easy kills.

But I must say in C2 sites, capitals are built because people simply have to much money. Smile


Clearly, you didn't read the other responses because capitals on scan do the exact opposite of what you described. Rather than cause them to move on to "easy kills" it usually causes competent groups to be filled with murderous desire.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#18 - 2012-06-15 14:50:02 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Rather than cause them to move on to "easy kills" it usually causes competent groups to be filled with murderous desire.

These people have obviously never heard of the elusive and incredibly valuable resource called capital killmails. They are worth at least 12 inches of e-peen, while easy hauler ganks and such go for just fractions of an inch.
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#19 - 2012-06-15 16:28:17 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Rather than cause them to move on to "easy kills" it usually causes competent groups to be filled with murderous desire.

These people have obviously never heard of the elusive and incredibly valuable resource called capital killmails. They are worth at least 12 inches of e-peen, while easy hauler ganks and such go for just fractions of an inch.


Why yes, I would like to deter all but the competent gankers in my system. Where can I sign up???

http://www.wormholes.info

Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#20 - 2012-06-18 08:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Xen Solarus
The age old question of "Do capitals in C3 classes or lower discourage or encourage being attacked?" Personally, if your POS is setup badly, then most likely encourage. But considering your sitting in a correctly setup death-star, most people will try to get you to fly it outside the POS somewhere and hopefully blow it up. Cause EVERYONE wants a carrier kill-mail.

Personally, we use ours for Fighter assignment only. Makes killing sleepers a bit of a joke tbh. Was also very useful for killing custom offices. Its absolutely NOT allowed to leave the POS. Its strictly there for a "the **** has hit the fan" situation. Solo Carriers are extremely vunerable to just about everything, and though having them in the lower class wh's does give you the capital advantage, be prepaired for it to explode if you use it unwisely. People will try to get you to do something stupid with it. The key is patience. Even the most hardened ganker squad will get bored and leave if you give them nothing but people within a shield. Sure, they might call you cowards for not coming out to play, but lets face it, gankers only engage when then the odds are stupidly on their side. They certainly won't want to take on a POS and a carrier, far to much work! Unless they're after your hole, which is a whole different thread.

For the ultimate "THIS IS MY WH" then start building dreads! Would make setting up another POS in your space extremely difficult, but you'd face exactly the same issues as a carrier, and it would be pretty useless for anything other than bashing opposing POS'. Would look cool though, if not a bit overkill. Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

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