Crime & Punishment

Sweet tears of "elite-highsec-pvper" ... so tasty ...


Clearly its unfair that you cant just go and **** some mining corp with them being forced to switch corps for the duration of the war. I mean its totally unfair that they might ask for help and get it.

I love it how these guys only like the sandbox if its fixed to give them an advantage .. but if it gets even .. oh no ... noway .. change it asap its so wroooong !

I like the new system. Free War. Lots of targets. I will soon be back to doing Merc work

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This is a common misunderstanding. It's simply impossible to predict how people will react to changes and incentives. You think you can, and you're wrong. You think you know how YOU will react, and you're wrong on that too. It's the law of unintended consequences, and a common failing of social engineering. You will say 'but I saw it coming", and that's fine, but there are hundreds of people who saw hundreds of other outcomes coming, and they were as certain about them as you were.

The best CCP can do is make small, sensible changes, then give them time to play out.

Mercenaries and griefers generally have groups of "blues" they can call in when wars don't turn out the way they intended. That 10-man missioning corporation they thought they were dec'ing suddenly becomes a thirty-man PvP corporation overnight, and those 2-billion ISK Golems suddenly stop coming out, replaced by full faction battleship fleets complete with logistics. The mercenaries (or aggressors) suddenly find themselves in a tight spot. They no longer have the easy, shiny kills they thought they had because they didn't do intelligence work. Many times calling in these mercenaries was free: it was a reciprocal thing. They could count on one another. When allies were brought in (either mercenaries hired by the defenders, or Dec Shielding, or whatever) then it was fine for the aggressors. Unless of course they had no skill to adequately fight.

But now that pretty much the middle man has been cut out of the equation, it's no longer fine according to the OP. They can't "make money". They can't do what they "love".

As I said and I keep hammering home, OP knew of the changes. He knew what was coming down the pipe, and he said: "We're deccing all of EVE." He's admitted to having taken this position. He understood that this position was probably bad - mainly because several people in corp to include myself were against it strategically. He understood that mercenaries might be pushed to a "defensive role", though admittedly making money off of that looked grim. While trying at the time to come up with solutions, his response was to dec all of EVE for the sheer amount of reds.

This current war dec system is much better than what we had. It's incredibly fun. The amount of people I have had fun shooting at has not tapered off. I am in the middle of a bedlam in high sec, something many high sec PvPers wanted. Sure, there are small things that need to be tweaked, but I'm not running to the forums behind the curve (once again) and creating a whine thread (pretty much another Malum Crusis "Look at me!" thread by Aesheera, and when not by him by EP). Consider this the preliminary, just after beta: tweaks need to be done to make fixes. But you can't expect everything to work perfectly the first try.

completely agree outsider looking in (FW low sec) now you folks that pick on little corps and noobs have to be aware they can grab some friends and fight back. i think the goons v star faction is a great thing, because i think war dec price being tied to size working in favor of large alliances is BS it stagnates the game . Honestly i think it should be reversed smaller a corp is more expensive to dec it.

One of the things I do is not make baseless accusations. In each comment I have made that has been a "dig" at you, I have provided relevant facts. In fact, I will quote this before I continue:




In the thread you mention, I made the point that you weren't going to follow through on contracts. I made the point that you had decided to declare war against a small corporation of people with an average gametime of less than one month, allowing war targets to run around high security space and do what they will, because this dec against House of Julii was "fun" for you. You proceeded to whine and say I had no idea what I was talking about, despite me providing valid chat logs (which I still have, and can repost as necessary).

You came back with the useless drivel I came to expect from you: "You're butthurt I kicked you", "You have no idea what you're talking about", "No one backed you up in corp", "Everyone thought you were annoying".

If anything, I was upset that you took a conversation the corporation was having as personal attacks against you, and when told to kick me while I was on, you instead opted to wait until I logged and like the good passive-aggressive ***** you are, kick me so you could act like you were a tough guy in corp. But I let that go a long time ago. I moved on to bigger and better things, while you clung to this idea that whining fixes things.

And yet at the end of that, where do you stand, and where do I stand? You tried to play off of what Malum Crusis was. You tried to play off your stats, saying that somehow your killboard was so impressive as to put mine into the gutter, and that because of that fact alone anything I said was pointless. You used the usual smoke and mirrors to try to draw attention away from my facts. It didn't work.

I happened to be forwarded the mail where you told your corporation to report my posts as "spam" so they'd be hidden. Unfortunately, EVE-Search is terrific for showing such posts. ;)

I went out and killed for weeks on end. I improved my killboard quite a bit. You...you simply sat there on an undock and then cried because you weren't getting kills, and somehow it was the devs' fault for that.



This wasn't a personally-targeted dramafest, as you put it. I made my points very clearly, and in classic fashion you took it personally. I wanted to make it clear that I found it incredibly ironic that you, the man who said he was deccing all of EVE< was suddenly turning around and whining about the mechanics that allowed you to dec pretty much all of EVE for...50-mil a week?



I think you should be held accountable when you are making the exact same threads they are, and actively encouraging your members to bump said threads. That is what being a leader is all about: accepting responsibility for your members.