EVE General Discussion

Well, i can say that i partially agree and partially disagree with you. MT as someone said here is first sign of failure and F2P is admittance of a failure. Attempts to implement MT in subscription based game only make it fail faster.
I bought a few PLEXes and seriously it made me nearly quit the game since the fun from playing it wasn't the same at all after that. So i quit buying these for various reasons. PLEX already gives you an advantage in game. It's the only MT i can live with since it also works both ways. Players can buy PLEX and they can sell PLEX. While for most players it's an illusion but not reality. Lately it's been way too hard to gain enough ISK off mining activities to even think about PLEX.

EVE survived years without any MT or P2W. Why exactly it should go that lousy road now. Just because Hilmar wants more $? Huh, we seen enough greedy idiots fail and kill their incomes thanks to greed. Personally, if i see any P2W item in game and that does includes ship skins since everyone either gets same ships or players make skins and sell them on markets or it's a milk off us, i will unsubscribe and go play other games. It's a red line i will not cross no matter how many people will scream out "adapt". If everyone jumps from the roof, will you too? Somehow i don't think so.

There are a few caveats to your conclusion. And I know, Milla, you're just trolling.

But, the caveats are, game altering items are available to anyone whether they use a CC or isk to purchase them. Character sales are a good thing for the game no matter who can or is willing to afford them. And still, anyone can purchase a character.

The current structure of MT in Eve, NeX excluded, is that these transactions are an amalgamation of the purchaser (player), CCP and the seller (player). The benefits purchased by the purchaser are also transmuted to CCP and the seller. Overall, it's beneficial to the game as a whole as much as MT can be beneficial to any game. Rather than a purely parasitic system of transactions whereby only the purchaser and CCP benefit, the third party benefits as well. If we have to have MT, and I don't think we're going to rid ourselves of it, this is probably the most balanced MT system out there. Lets hope that CCP continues it in this manner where MT is inclusive and beneficial to the entire playerbase rather than a parasitic system with rich people clubbing baby seals for sport.

As long as that kind of MT involves players on both sides of sale and acquisition without game mechanics changes to make players buy more stuff it might be acceptable.
PLEX is acceptable while i suspect CCP did game mechanics changes to try to make people buy more PLEXes. Just notice how your game-play changes once you start buying them. "Events" start to happen way more frequently. And please, don't try these "no experience" bluff. It's laughable and lousy excuse.

We already have remaps, making them more frequent for players who want them, will not make a gameplay difference, in fact the opposite, it will make it more accessible and less frustrating for players.

Fitting slots, people are crying for more, so let them have more, not everybody needs more, I don't, but let the people who want more slots have the convenience. Convenience is very much like vanity, non game changing.

Are you saying that more server fitting storage slots will make EVE one sided and those with more money will win due to it? I don't think so, same for remaps.

Are you saying if I get more frequent remaps or more server fitting storage slots I can pwn you in NULL or LOW or W?

I don't think so.

You see dear, it's about half of EVE player base they try not to pay attention to. That' what you ask, not to pay attention. They tried that. Lost loads of players. CEO announcements isn't made on daily basis. That mean something. And your request not to pay attention to player base... they were there and fail.

Corporations who do not pay attention to their customers fail. Examples? AT&T a few years back went on brink of collapse thanks to their "package plans" and was saved by US Government, IBM selling its laptops division because they were a big time failure while making excellent laptops they failed to make any profits off it because the configurations and price range was lousy. Apple when they sacked out Steve Jobs began to fail drastically and they brought him back. Sometimes it's CEO who fails not the customers. Smart CEOs understand where they failed and try not to make mistakes again. While Hilmar understood most of the failures that were made he did not understood or don't want to understand the fundamental one. Sometimes it's not the customers, it's companies failure.

And you forget something, we already seen these statements about shop that they have no current plans... a year after we see the shop. If we would see it 3 or 5 years after, no fuss. It happens that policy changes. A year after? And now we see another very similar statement. In fact two statements that contradict each other.

Agree with you on all statements here :-)
Simply nothing to add.

With regards to you: Players already hear'd a year ago statement and then saw the shop which 100% contradicted the year back statement. Players regard it as being cheated and lied to by CCP and see another statement nearly exactly same as mentioned one as another attempt to cheat and lie to us. That makes things clear to you?

^^ That right there is the problem CCP is facing and many either don't understand this or are avoiding the subject altogether. This is the mechanic of the MMORPG market.

These games grow stale quickly on players. In order to keep it "fresh" CCP needs to continuosly and frequently add new features. But the problem is that this isn't a linear relationship, rather an exponential one. The first expansion you can add a ship to keep the playerbase interested. The second expansion will require 2 ships to keep the same subscription base and so forth. The customer becomes increasingly more difficult and expensive to please.

Unfortunately, I do believe eventually CCP will have to make some drastic decisions if it is to keep Eve afloat.

Well, given your line of argument, you´re saying that the op is talking bull$%/, because the latter quote you´re using as comparisation is equally a bull/&(( rumor.

Both are true quotes :)

Both from the horses mouth itself.