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Are ship prices actually going down or has volumes been reduced? Both niether?
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#1 - 2012-06-12 07:49:06 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
From the mineral price graph in http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72833 I originally thought that ships then should start falling but when I see minerals being mined is actually down ( or top o the remove of drone poop ) it seems something else must be happening.
The first thing that popped into my head is that the speculators are releasing their hoards... but after awhile my next line of thought is maybe the prices are down because people are just holding off on building now becuase oft he high material spikes. Well is there any indications either way?
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-06-12 09:04:47 UTC
Supply has increased due to lower mineral prices.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-06-13 01:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
Prices wont rebound to that height within the next six months because its all speculation. I'll put 3 billion on it. anyone willing to take my bet?
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#4 - 2012-06-13 01:10:42 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:

The first thing that popped into my head is that the speculators are releasing their hoards... but after awhile my next line of thought is maybe the prices are down because people are just holding off on building now becuase oft he high material spikes. Well is there any indications either way?


Confirming that Eve is in a recession.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#5 - 2012-06-13 01:50:18 UTC
Anya Ohaya wrote:
Supply has increased due to lower mineral prices.


10/10 Nice one.
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#6 - 2012-06-13 10:54:17 UTC
yes prices are going down alot.

zyd is a good indicator.

also its summer markets always slow down
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#7 - 2012-06-13 12:13:50 UTC
corestwo wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:

The first thing that popped into my head is that the speculators are releasing their hoards... but after awhile my next line of thought is maybe the prices are down because people are just holding off on building now becuase oft he high material spikes. Well is there any indications either way?


Confirming that Eve is in a recession.


So, who's playing Angela Merkel here? Twisted

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clamslayer
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-13 21:07:36 UTC
Lilan Kahn wrote:
yes prices are going down alot.

zyd is a good indicator.

also its summer markets always slow down


There is no shortage of minerals, so many are stockpiled. The large increase in prices are due to speculation, it may rebound a bit but will wont reach that high again this year, and will continue to drop because of summer. We wont be seeing prices at this level unless another change to the game that tricks the masses into thinking there is going to be a shortage of a commodity.
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#9 - 2012-06-13 21:36:13 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
corestwo wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:

The first thing that popped into my head is that the speculators are releasing their hoards... but after awhile my next line of thought is maybe the prices are down because people are just holding off on building now becuase oft he high material spikes. Well is there any indications either way?


Confirming that Eve is in a recession.


So, who's playing Angela Merkel here? Twisted


Oo, I'll be Greece! Totally wasteful and lazy, but I vote myself the hardest working out of everyone in the EU!
Morishima Lovely Haruka
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-06-14 01:23:38 UTC
i realized a falling prices too .... expecially the drone ships that was good suited combined with "drone damage augmentors"

but when i startet to look arround for a T3 i saw that their prices also dropping like HELL!

The Tengu (wich is over 50% of every T3 in new EDEN)
and mostly used for Carebearing.

It could be a late chainreaction between speculating in market, overproduktion, panic-sellout, ore price balancing.

But i think its really rediculus that T3 are dropping so hard, cause all they need is a W-Space (best is C3 or higher).

Another Interesting thing is you can see "Panic-SELL OUT" Investers when they place a unusual high amound of modules for the lowest price (and the producer is usually outbiding them after a couple of seconds)

I saw a Tengu Sell Oder with ofer 150 Tengus! There u can see the PANIC when he realized that his investition is falling for arround 10% and its skill dropping!

(Tengu was usually arround 240m and if they sink to under 200m that Character would have lost arround 6 Billion ISK!)

But Prices usually rising soon so it's usually the worst thing to Panic Sell his Investition because the price is droppign right now!



Like the "Raven Navy" i brought it before I could fly a BS! -> That decision is usually a bad idea! But ... I made over 300 Million Profit, because when i decided nto to train for BS i sold them both for 150m profit! (accidently)

but this time seems like a good invesment time for this fall! when people don't have so much time in summer. when the prices for every thing rising.

but this is just a small ammount of isk profit,
you can get much more with the right modules! especiall outside of JITA and other "big" Tradehubs.

Flying a Freighter is common sense here to maximise the Income.

Fly save
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#11 - 2012-06-14 02:48:00 UTC
Morishima Lovely Haruka wrote:
i realized a falling prices too .... expecially the drone ships that was good suited combined with "drone damage augmentors"

but when i startet to look arround for a T3 i saw that their prices also dropping like HELL!

The Tengu (wich is over 50% of every T3 in new EDEN)
and mostly used for Carebearing.

It could be a late chainreaction between speculating in market, overproduktion, panic-sellout, ore price balancing.

But i think its really rediculus that T3 are dropping so hard, cause all they need is a W-Space (best is C3 or higher).

Another Interesting thing is you can see "Panic-SELL OUT" Investers when they place a unusual high amound of modules for the lowest price (and the producer is usually outbiding them after a couple of seconds)

I saw a Tengu Sell Oder with ofer 150 Tengus! There u can see the PANIC when he realized that his investition is falling for arround 10% and its skill dropping!

(Tengu was usually arround 240m and if they sink to under 200m that Character would have lost arround 6 Billion ISK!)

But Prices usually rising soon so it's usually the worst thing to Panic Sell his Investition because the price is droppign right now!



Like the "Raven Navy" i brought it before I could fly a BS! -> That decision is usually a bad idea! But ... I made over 300 Million Profit, because when i decided nto to train for BS i sold them both for 150m profit! (accidently)

but this time seems like a good invesment time for this fall! when people don't have so much time in summer. when the prices for every thing rising.

but this is just a small ammount of isk profit,
you can get much more with the right modules! especiall outside of JITA and other "big" Tradehubs.

Flying a Freighter is common sense here to maximise the Income.

Fly save


Those panic sellouts are Irresponsible T2 BPO holders, running production 100% in nulsec, with nulsec Minerals then outright dumping them onto the markets in different regions hoping no one would notice.

T2 Amarr small drones being a good example.

Once again, listen to the people saying the same thing, Summertime crash, every ones out having a good time, getting laid drunk swimming in lakes, stuff you cant do in the Wintertime.
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#12 - 2012-06-14 09:06:48 UTC
clamslayer wrote:
Lilan Kahn wrote:
yes prices are going down alot.

zyd is a good indicator.

also its summer markets always slow down


There is no shortage of minerals, so many are stockpiled. The large increase in prices are due to speculation, it may rebound a bit but will wont reach that high again this year, and will continue to drop because of summer. We wont be seeing prices at this level unless another change to the game that tricks the masses into thinking there is going to be a shortage of a commodity.





the t1 mod removal from npcs, has made npcers get ALOT more mins per m3 in 0.0
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-06-14 12:06:51 UTC
Prices are dropping due to lack of sales.

Lack of Sales due to fleeing player base.

And the "EVE New World Gooniverse" is still only an embryo.

Are we not proud of them ?

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
clamslayer
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-06-14 22:16:00 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Prices are dropping due to lack of sales.

Lack of Sales due to fleeing player base.

And the "EVE New World Gooniverse" is still only an embryo.

Are we not proud of them ?



This is also playing a role in it as well. I make my money strictly from trading and I'm starting to feel this. Part of it is Goons, most of it is summer and other games people are playing.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-06-14 22:57:42 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Prices are dropping due to lack of sales.

Lack of Sales due to fleeing player base.

And the "EVE New World Gooniverse" is still only an embryo.

Are we not proud of them ?

while this isn't the mechanism we are incredibly pleased at driving the economy into a recession

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
clamslayer
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-06-14 23:43:58 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Prices are dropping due to lack of sales.

Lack of Sales due to fleeing player base.

And the "EVE New World Gooniverse" is still only an embryo.

Are we not proud of them ?

while this isn't the mechanism we are incredibly pleased at driving the economy into a recession



again part of it is goons, a very small part, and that small part was pitching in on hulkageddon. if goons didnt exist, the economy would be in the same state due to summer and other games.

suggesting that goons are driving the economy into a recession just goes to show how much of a ******* idiot you are.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#17 - 2012-06-15 00:03:27 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
clamslayer wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Prices are dropping due to lack of sales.

Lack of Sales due to fleeing player base.

And the "EVE New World Gooniverse" is still only an embryo.

Are we not proud of them ?

while this isn't the mechanism we are incredibly pleased at driving the economy into a recession



again part of it is goons, a very small part, and that small part was pitching in on hulkageddon. if goons didnt exist, the economy would be in the same state due to summer and other games.

suggesting that goons are driving the economy into a recession just goes to show how much of a ******* idiot you are.


Actually the lion's share of credit goes to CCP. Everyone fixated on high ends from the drone regions because that affected mining, but no one really thought about how much low ends they supplied and...well...lets just say that it was the majority of them. Summer has very little to do with it compared to that. In fact, claiming that it's summer is a bunch of disingenuous ****, because mineral prices historically tend to drop during the summer.

Hulkageddon is certainly throwing fuel on the fire and keeping it burning though (50% reduction in mining volume!), and if you think otherwise, it just goes to show how much of a ******* idiot you are.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#18 - 2012-06-15 00:06:32 UTC
corestwo wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Prices are dropping due to lack of sales.

Lack of Sales due to fleeing player base.

And the "EVE New World Gooniverse" is still only an embryo.

Are we not proud of them ?

while this isn't the mechanism we are incredibly pleased at driving the economy into a recession



again part of it is goons, a very small part, and that small part was pitching in on hulkageddon. if goons didnt exist, the economy would be in the same state due to summer and other games.

suggesting that goons are driving the economy into a recession just goes to show how much of a ******* idiot you are.


Actually the lion's share of credit goes to CCP. Everyone fixated on high ends from the drone regions because that affected mining, but no one really thought about how much low ends they supplied and...well...lets just say that it was the majority of them. Summer has very little to do with it compared to that.

Hulkageddon is certainly throwing fuel on the fire and keeping it burning though (50% reduction in mining volume!), and if you think otherwise, it just goes to show how much of a ******* idiot you are.


I think more then 50% highsec mining due to hulkageddon and again, I think less then 40%/more then 30% ABC minerals from drones before the nerf.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#19 - 2012-06-15 00:12:07 UTC
Kara Books wrote:
I think more then 50% highsec mining due to hulkageddon and again, I think less then 40%/more then 30% ABC minerals from drones before the nerf.

CCP statements indicated ~40% of high ends from drones, prior to the nerf. As to hulkageddon, the last stated figure was a 47% drop in average daily mining volume for the week of may 3rd-may 10th (during hulkageddon) as compared to the week prior to the Escalation patch.

The whole "drone poo provided the majority of low ends" is an entirely different dataset, but it's that one that's really the true driver behind our little recession here. If drone poo still existed the markets would barely have noticed Hulkageddon.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
clamslayer
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-06-15 01:25:35 UTC
corestwo wrote:
clamslayer wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Prices are dropping due to lack of sales.

Lack of Sales due to fleeing player base.

And the "EVE New World Gooniverse" is still only an embryo.

Are we not proud of them ?

while this isn't the mechanism we are incredibly pleased at driving the economy into a recession



again part of it is goons, a very small part, and that small part was pitching in on hulkageddon. if goons didnt exist, the economy would be in the same state due to summer and other games.

suggesting that goons are driving the economy into a recession just goes to show how much of a ******* idiot you are.


Actually the lion's share of credit goes to CCP. Everyone fixated on high ends from the drone regions because that affected mining, but no one really thought about how much low ends they supplied and...well...lets just say that it was the majority of them. Summer has very little to do with it compared to that. In fact, claiming that it's summer is a bunch of disingenuous ****, because mineral prices historically tend to drop during the summer.

Hulkageddon is certainly throwing fuel on the fire and keeping it burning though (50% reduction in mining volume!), and if you think otherwise, it just goes to show how much of a ******* idiot you are.



Think we are talking about two separate points regarding summer...