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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#201 - 2012-06-14 01:45:53 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Arsala wrote:
There are legal issues here that can be brought into a possible class action.


please point out how ganking in a video game is a "legal issue"


You see, it is well known 1 isk = 1 dollar.

So you robbed him of 300 million dollars + emotional damages.

Lol

Things are only impossible until they are not.

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#202 - 2012-06-14 02:01:22 UTC
Arsala wrote:
ok folks pull back on the aggression a little this is on a topic of discussion in the forums, i'm not running for office.

Many here disagree with an opinion that differs from there own, thats perfectly ok. As it is different I expect some resistance to it. But an environment where a corporation is paying others to do the harass a singled out group of individuals based on a specified criteria over and over is the same as one person getting harassed by another over and over ... either way its harassment. when a specif group of people are the minority and the majority claims no foul is committed chances are good that the majority is just not wanting to admit they are wrong. This is why civil rights in RL have always been so hard to get for minorities.

CPP is responsible for the environment and atmosphere in which we play, the fact that individuals can make and promote an environment where harassment takes place and is actively encouraged is most likely the lack of monitoring on CCP's part and I am sure that once there made aware of it they will move to fix it.

Indies are the minority in this game, always have been except for the botters. This is not a PvP game, it is an MMO sandbox with some PvP element.... We all deserve a fun and semi fair place to play. We are not the majority so Im sure we will be ignored.

http://www.eveonline.com/sandbox/miner/
This is the miner link no where in it does it say you will be harassed and podded. I could post others as well but Id just waste my time.


You claimed that there was standing for a lawsuit over ganking. That's laughable.

You claim that shooting pixels in space is harassment when CCP clearly defines actionable harassment as words. That's idiocy.

You claim that CCP should be more hands on with it's control of player generated content. That flies in the face of 9 years of EvE's history.

You claim that miners are in the minority. LuLz.

In EvE, you deserve only what you can keep and protect. In HiSec, CONCORD makes keeping and protecting what you have easier in some ways and harder in others. Those are the mechanics you pick when you live in HS. Choosing where to live isn't about relative safety, it's about choosing what mechanics you would like to work under while you protect what's yours.

http://www.eveonline.com/sandbox/explorer/
This talks about wormholes, but skips POS management and getting podded in bubbles. Maybe those pages are all glossing over the risk or effort of the professions and focusing on the possible benefits.

http://www.eveonline.com/sandbox/fleet-commander/
This one certainly glosses over the enormous amounts of ships you're going to lose on the way to becoming a halfway competent FC.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#203 - 2012-06-14 02:07:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mrr Woodcock
I'm not being aggressive here folks. Not in the least. The consequences I mentioned are reasonable. There's lots of PVP options in high sec already, War Dec's, Factional Engagements.

What all these people are up in arms about is wanting to preserve the ability to ruin someones day. Simple as that. Most are fighting for the simple right to blind side an suspecting new player, or attacking ships that can't defend there selves. I don't think these people are necessarily bad people, I actually know many of them. We have people that have alts in our alliance that gank all the time. We talk about it frequently. I'll tell you the same thing I tell them, I think it's a poor PVP'er that does that sort thing. I personally think CCP it's self is working hard on there re-balance strategy.

I feel for them actually, because the changes will come damn slow from one prospective, and not be well received from the another. Simplest thing to do in the short term is nothing. That's what I would do. But I have faith, this will be leveled eventually.

I think my proposed adjustments are exactly what need's to be done. I would support them 100%. Also all the graphs, and study charts also support this, and I'm sure this is where CCP is looking.

Oh yea, some one please point out to me in the EULA, where by simply undocking in high sec, I consent to UN-solicited PVP Hmm. Or having it forced on me? Yes having it "FORCED" on me. Basically forcing me to indulge in game play I do not want to participate in. because that's exactly what these guys are doing.

Now just so you know, I'm not mad, I'm not angry, I'm not slamming anyone here. Just so ya know.
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#204 - 2012-06-14 02:13:29 UTC
Protip: Pirates attack undefended vessels.

That's what makes them PIRATES.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."

Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#205 - 2012-06-14 02:17:15 UTC
Yews that's correct, the Somali's do it all the time, when's the last time you saw a pirate strike on Santa Monica Blvd. In the middle of Los Angeles. Kinda remind ya of high sec.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#206 - 2012-06-14 02:19:21 UTC
Mrr Woodcock wrote:
Oh yea, some one please point out to me in the EULA, where by simply undocking in high sec, I consent to UN-solicited PVP Hmm. Or having it forced on me?
It's in there by way of omission: nothing of what you just described is prohibited by the EULA. The EULA therefore allows it. By agreeing to the EULA, you've consented to unsolicited, unprovoked, nonconsensial PvP.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2012-06-14 02:19:30 UTC
Mrr Woodcock wrote:
I'm not being aggressive here folks. Not in the least. The consequences I mentioned are reasonable. There's lots of PVP options in high sec already, War Dec's, Factional Engagements.

In other words, you think that you're entitled to be entirely safe unless you toggle a "PVP flag".

Get.
Out.

Mrr Woodcock wrote:
I personally think CCP it's self is working hard on there re-balance strategy.

[...]

I think my proposed adjustments are exactly what need's to be done. I would support them 100%. Also all the graphs, and study charts also support this, and I'm sure this is where CCP is looking.

Yes, a CCP which says the burn jita event was "******* brilliant" is definitely looking to make a lot of changes here.

Mrr Woodcock wrote:
Oh yea, some one please point out to me in the EULA, where by simply undocking in high sec, I consent to UN-solicited PVP Hmm. Or having it forced on me? Yes having it "FORCED" on me. Basically forcing me to indulge in game play I do not want to participate in. because that's exactly what these guys are doing.

Last I checked, EULAs were more about limiting what you were allowed to do. Does it say anywhere in the EULA that I can't go out and gank someone in hisec? No?`WHY, ISN'T THAT JUST ABSOLUTELY SHOCKING.

Mrr Woodcock wrote:
Yews that's correct, the Somali's do it all the time, when's the last time you saw a pirate strike on Santa Monica Blvd. In the middle of Los Angeles. Kinda remind ya of high sec.

This is literally one of the worst real life analogies I've seen yet. Well done.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2012-06-14 02:24:34 UTC
Tippia BS, LOL

Lord Zim, I'm really glad you liked my analogy. LMFAO

Just so you know, I don't run in high sec, I really don't care what you do there to be honest. But my opinion is that, if that's what your into. Your just weak.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#209 - 2012-06-14 02:29:58 UTC
No, tippia's point is not BS. In fact, I'd love to see you point out where, in the EULA, I'm prohibited from ganking someone's face in.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#210 - 2012-06-14 02:31:47 UTC
Mrr Woodcock wrote:
Yews that's correct, the Somali's do it all the time, when's the last time you saw a pirate strike on Santa Monica Blvd. In the middle of Los Angeles. Kinda remind ya of high sec.


Last Month, LA had 22 Homicides, 764 Robberies, and 1184 Grand Theft Autos. We just call it crime instead of piracy once you do it on land.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#211 - 2012-06-14 02:34:13 UTC
Mrr Woodcock wrote:
Tippia BS, LOL

Lord Zim, I'm really glad you liked my analogy. LMFAO

Just so you know, I don't run in high sec, I really don't care what you do there to be honest. But my opinion is that, if that's what your into. Your just weak.


If you don't like what someone else does in EvE, that's fine. Don't do it. If you're outraged by it, stop them from doing it. EvE is the libertarian paradise realized. Everyone can do anything to anyone unless someone stops them (probably through force).

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#212 - 2012-06-14 02:35:09 UTC
Also, I love the use of rhetoric, as if calling people "a bad PVPer" or "you're just weak" (even though your use of "your" instead of "you're" isn't doing you any favours), as if that'll make any of us go "aw shucks, he's right, I'm going to go on the straight and narrow and stop ganking people now that Mrr Woodcock, well-known and respected NPC corp fella that he is, pointed out how it makes me a bad PVPer and a weak personality".

Heh.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#213 - 2012-06-14 02:37:04 UTC
between murdering bob respawns, we enjoy suicide ganking

dealwizit

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#214 - 2012-06-14 02:37:42 UTC
Mrr Woodcock wrote:
Tippia BS, LOL
Nope. The EULA sets up its rules by defining what isn't allowed and what CCP can do to you and your account without your say. It also sets up the scope of the financial transaction and the control you have over it.

There are some things that are simply left to GM discretion, but other than that, if it's not prohibited by the EULA, it's allowed. You agreed to it. One thing that isn't prohibited (and thus is allowed) by the EULA is blowing you up for no particular reason regardless of whether you want it or not. By agreeing to the EULA, you consented to this gameplay.
Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#215 - 2012-06-14 02:40:05 UTC
I think here prospective is BS, The EULA doesn't make reference to it being against the rules. I also don't think you shouldn't be able to do it, I actually think you should be able to do it any time you want. I just think that when you do, do it. You should have serious consequences, yes much more seriously than the ones are now. IE, want to be a bad man, be forced in to the bad men area, till you recover your security stat. That's what I'm saying clearly. Once you commit the crime in high sec, you get flagged as a criminal, then get to live with the criminals till you recover that security status.

I'm also certain, combat ships in Orca's are going to become a thing of the past real soon.
Macky Alcaz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#216 - 2012-06-14 02:41:48 UTC
Riiekus wrote:
Hey ccp you need to do something about these griefers ganking hulks and mackinaws in ice and ore belts, its taking away the game play .
high sec is suppose to be a safe zone not a worry about whether or not im going to get ganked while trying to mine for my corp. No i understand if we were in low or null sec mining away yea then by all means gank away but griefing us in high sec is absolutely ludicris. I have watched so many people quit this game because of it. Not to mention the alpha strikers at the gates. I have had enough. if i lose one more ship due to griefers i will quit this game, that will be 30 dollars usd x 12 months out of the year not going to your bank account. so please deal with these griefers. ty.

Riiekus.



0/10, try harder...


If you really are serious:

It's a sandbox MMO, what do you expect?

Stop crying for CCP to do something and do something about it yourself, you even have a huge handicap bonus with the cyber police guarding your ass.

The reason why so many players play this game is just because its so versatile and "real", anything CAN happen, and if you lose **** - you lose it. Deal with it.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#217 - 2012-06-14 02:46:38 UTC
Mrr Woodcock wrote:
Oh yea, some one please point out to me in the EULA, where by simply undocking in high sec, I consent to UN-solicited PVP Hmm. Or having it forced on me? Yes having it "FORCED" on me.


Mrr Woodcock wrote:
I think here prospective is BS, The EULA doesn't make reference to it being against the rules. I also don't think you shouldn't be able to do it, I actually think you should be able to do it any time you want.

Interesting reversal.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Mrr Woodcock
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#218 - 2012-06-14 02:49:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Mrr Woodcock
RubyPorto please tell me why your so strongly behind this. I'm actually at a loss here, My main, and your organization runs pretty much in the same waters. Fought you guys quite a bit, "always enjoy it I might add". I mean you guys swim in the serious PVP waters?

PS theee grammmar & sppelling policce caan FO.

I mean really, is killing things in high sec really that damn important. really! I mean gawd I hate that place anyway.

I just don't like the notion of things being forced on players in high sec. Simple as that. But If you do it serious fallout occurs.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#219 - 2012-06-14 02:51:44 UTC
you should post with your main then

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#220 - 2012-06-14 02:51:59 UTC
Mrr Woodcock wrote:
I mean really, is killing things in high sec really that damn important.
Yes. Otherwise it becomes a safe-zone, and that would be the death-knell for a game that revolves around a war economy.