Science & Industry

Have you done Planetary Interaction? Have you made 440m isk per month in high sec? Or you "heard" this?

How do you know they are looking onto it?

What is the "PI skill" you want to pvp with?


Is this a troll?

Double Quote Delete?

So you have done this? In high sec?

I also am interested in this PI skill we will be able to PvP with.

It's in the numbers and I'm working on it. Right now I have 1 planet that is making me 100mil isk per month as long as i keep up on it. (the Market could change)

I think that PVP for PI should be incorporated on the EVE level into the PI Skills Tree... Nothing like oh you bring your Abaddon out to Shoot my Colony... more like if you want to conquer someones PI Planet/the same grid it would be along the lines of overpowering their PI Defense with your PI Offense.

Allowing Milita Units that you obtain in the game to have a Use in PI. ^_^

That's one Suggestion atleast.



Well 400mil isk a month and all you have to do is check this and move that and run some numbers... It's the safest money in the game in high sec might not be as fast as some people like it but for a new acct with a little bit of money say 25mil to get started to be able to make 400mil isk in a month is just ridiculous... it needs to have something to counteract it / make it a little more risky.

This is after all EVE we are talking about. ^_^

That you have a risk...

You are engaging your ship in combat against foes that are attacking you. You have to be active or you have a chance of losing your ship. Should you not be aware of the situation or warp in un-prepared you could lose 100mil + in a level 4.

The only risks you have with PI is spending too much ISK setting it up as a noob, or you can possibly get sui-ganked in high sec by goonswarm for leaving warping into the customs office to pick up your goods.

No, I'm talking about missions. There is no risk.

...and tbh, it's less work than the amount of trucking you need to do to get 400M out of PI (and freedom to do it at your leisure, rather than at specific intervals forced by your installations).

Moved from Skills discussions.

Haters gonna hate. Sit down and actually make a spreadsheet because this is completely possible in multiple ways even with a single character. Add another on top of that and its absolutely possible.

Because I'm so tired of people not believing people's claims about how profitable high-security PI can be I'm going to show you the math right now from my spreadsheet.

Alright kids this is based on the following: Having a spreadsheet, being able to do simple math, noticing market trends, generally checking something before you go LOL NO, and having Interplanetary Consolidation and Command Center Upgrades IV.

We're going to use 5 planets. All are Temperate or Barren and are reasonably small in terms of diameter.

We're going to be making Broadcast Nodes and we need three P3 inputs: Neocoms, Data Chips, and High-Tech Transmitters

Neocoms:

Price to Make from P1 Inputs: 39,710.47 ISK
Price to Make from P2 Inputs: 36,366.67 ISK
Price to Make from P3 Inputs: 39,889.00 ISK

Data Chips:

Price to Make from P1 Inputs: 35,482.25 ISK
Price to Make from P2 Inputs: 39,646.67 ISK
Price to Make from P3 Inputs: 45,000.00 ISK

High-Tech Transmitters:

Price to Make from P1 Inputs: 44,660.20ISK
Price to Make from P2 Inputs: 48,912.27 ISK
Price to Make from P3 Inputs: 56,440.00 ISK

Input Cost Per Broadcast Unit:

P1 Inputs: 719,117.54 ISK
P2 Inputs: 749,553.60 ISK
P3 Inputs: 847,974.00 ISK

Import and Export Taxes:

55,400.00 ISK - Regardless of which way you make it.

Broker and Market Fees

17,460.00 ISK - Assumes no skills that reduce these fees.

Total Cost Per Broadcast Unit:

P1 Inputs: 791,977.54 ISK
P2 Inputs: 822,413.60 ISK
P3 Inputs: 920,774.00 ISK

Current Market Value:

873,000.00 - This is the sell order price and numerous units are sold at this price everyday and I used to make these along with Nano-Factories so I know they sell at this price.

Total Profit Per Unit

P1 Inputs: 81,022.46 ISK
P2 Inputs: 50,586.40 ISK
P3 Inputs: -50,774.00 ISK

Now when we calculate hourly/daily/weekly/monthly profitability we need to consider which planetary infrastructure configuration is going to give us our best option with a single character.

Unfortunately due to current powergrid and CPU limitations it is generally impractical to try to do P1 -> P4 production on a single planet. So let's look at P2 -> P4 production instead.

Given the skills I listed you should be able to fit the following on the planets I listed:

1 Launchpad
4 High-Tech Production Facilities
16 Advanced Production Facilities
1 Storage Facility

This will work well given what we want to produce and current market prices. Neocoms do not vary in price more than a few percent regardless of whether they are made from P1, P2, or P3 input prices. Consequently we can just buy the completed P3 units and focus on making Data Chips and High-Tech Transmitters from P2 components on our planets. Obviously this will impact our overall profit but it's really the only way to go about this efficiently. With additional PI characters which can be trained up to IV skills with decent hauler abilities takes 2 weeks or so you can massively increase your profit margins. Continuing on....

Total Profit from Broadcast Nodes Using P3 Neocoms and Data Chips and High-Tech Transmitters Made from P2 Inputs:

29,452.40 ISK / unit

Assuming we have all five planets configured to produce these we'll have a total of 20 High-Tech Production Facilities making one unit each per hour, thus 20 units per hour. Using this we can calculate profit per hour, day, week and month.

Profit Per Hour: 589,040.00 ISK
Profit Per Day: 14,136,960.00 ISK
Profit Per Week: 98,958,720 ISK
Profit Per Month: 395,834,880 ISK

Now lets assume you've got an extra character and can make Neocoms from P2 inputs. Look at the massive difference in profit:

Profit Per Hour: 1,264,660.00 ISK
Profit Per Day: 30,351,840.00 ISK
Profit Per Week: 212,462,880.00 ISK
Profit Per Month: 849,851,520.00 ISK

Now lets go really crazy and assume you have two PI alts to support your main's production:

Profit Per Hour: 2,025,561.60
Profit Per Day: 48,613,478.40 ISK
Profit Per Week: 340,294,348.80 ISK
Profit Per Month: 1,361,177,395.20 ISK

Conclusions

PI can be incredibly profitable. Oh yeah and this is all HIGH SEC so the next time someone says high-sec PI isn't that profitable ask for proof because I can assure you that they don't have any.

There are far more profitable schemes even in P2 and P3 production so you cam diversify your PI investments and not overexpose yourself to any particular market.

What Joshua forgot to mention, is your storage is finite. From my experiences with high sec production planets, you will need to visit your planet daily, if not twice a day. Hopefully they are all in the same system, or you'll be doing a lot of flying around.

But that's not even the real problem with this plan. The real problem is the slim margin. 29.5k of 873k is only 3.5%. If prices change at all, you could find yourself deeply invested in a losing venture. You might think this is speculation, but consider this: With Joshua's proposal, you will make 480 Broadcast Nodes daily. Between Oct 1st to Oct 5th, Jita market graph shows 21186 units sold, that's an average of 4237 daily. In other words, one character will be producing more than 10% of Jitas daily market. If you expect to add that much to the market, and not see the price drop equally, you're being foolish.

To the OP: Yea, you can make money with PI. You can probably even make enough to pay for your plex, but you won't be doing a whole lot more than that. It's not considered "overpowered" because the amount of time required is considered worth that much (or more to the buyer). Might as well just get a real job, and enjoy your game time instead of working for some faceless goon.

This is just so idiotic.

Good Luck making that 400 Million on one toon in High Sec. MAYBE 250 M, but that's with really great planet resources.

250M / Month is not worth making MORE difficult. It's drop in the bucket. Besides, as pointed out, there is WAY much more money in running Level 4 missions and there is NO threat at all there.

Those Missions bring me over 2 BILLION a month. Why don't we make THEM more risky in High Sec as well, huh ??

Grow a set and do PI in Low Sec. Now, that WILL bring in at least 1.6 BILLION a month, which I do. AND it is super risky.

Lets see you sweat at a Custom Station for pick up and 3 'Canes uncloak.

THERE is your damned risk.........................