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exactly when is someone not "a Rookie"?

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Cutter Isaacson
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#21 - 2012-06-13 22:29:32 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-06-13 22:32:14 UTC
Trollin wrote:
?

its a week? 2? 3? 15?

where does it say?

rules? in a sandbox? do tell?



I'm a rookie. don't shoot me.

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Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-06-13 22:33:52 UTC
CCP likes to track player activity around and before 5 million skillpoints. There was some presentation about it or other at Fanfest.

x amount of 5 mil and under sp players just dove right into null!

So...5 mil sp sounds like a good mark.

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Danfen Fenix
#24 - 2012-06-13 22:36:43 UTC
Degren wrote:
CCP likes to track player activity around and before 5 million skillpoints. There was some presentation about it or other at Fanfest.

x amount of 5 mil and under sp players just dove right into null!

So...5 mil sp sounds like a good mark.


5 mil could be a 'bit' much though....thats at 'least' 2 months of casual training. You can't let people go unganked for that long P
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-06-13 23:06:01 UTC
We're forever rookie in this game.

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Morganta
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
#26 - 2012-06-13 23:08:01 UTC
Degren wrote:
CCP likes to track player activity around and before 5 million skillpoints. There was some presentation about it or other at Fanfest.

x amount of 5 mil and under sp players just dove right into null!

So...5 mil sp sounds like a good mark.


but isn't someone who makes their SP public still a rookie no matter how many SP they have?
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#27 - 2012-06-14 00:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
I'll answer this question based on the Four Stages of Competence.

A newbie is something who is unconsciously incompetent: They don't know jack and are stumbling blindly around, unaware of how ignorant they are.

A rookie is someone who is consciously incompetent: They don't know jack, but realize that EVE is a very large and complex thing and have a basic understanding of what they need to learn.

Obviously, under this system, what I'd consider a newbie, the GM would consider a rookie.

I had a trial account a year and a half ago, quit before it finished, and subbed for the first time 12 days ago. I have ~650k SP and 20 million isk.

I was doing the Sisters of EVE arc a week ago when I came to a mob I needed help with. After several hours of trying and failing, I asked in Local for help. Someone fleeted up with me told me to wait a minute while they got their battleship. What did I do? Immediately strip my destroyer of all high/low slot modules and switched out my newly bought guns for the Light Laser Beam I I'd gotten in the starter systems.

I knew it was possible he'd warp in and blow me up with no repercussion as we were fleeted. I had gotten the Destroyer for free and insured it, so I might lose my ship and fail the mission, but at least I'd earn isk from it.

The guy turned out to be quite cool and friendly, but if he’d decided to pop my ship or if he stole my mission target to sell on the black market, and I petitioned, I suspect that a GM who looked at my character/account would say ‘this is a rookie player.’

That is, they’d look at my trial account over a year ago and my five day old character and think, ‘This is a person who does not know jack about EVE and is stumbling around blindly, unaware of how ignorant they are.’ The reason GMs don’t want to give people an exact date range for being a rookie is that it’s hard to put a date range on justifiable cluelessness vs. unjustifiable cluelessness vs. idiot tax.

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Sebiestor Tribe
#28 - 2012-06-14 00:32:47 UTC
An entirely subjective question. Ask the mongrels slobbering and gnashing their teeth and they'll give an answer that reflects the idea that a rookie is no longer a rookie the first moment he steps out of a rookie system. But ask a rookie that question, and you are liable to get an answer of a much longer timeframe.

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Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-06-14 01:05:01 UTC
When you know that you are flying a fail fit - and do it just for laughs.
Dakeen Kurvora
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-06-14 01:50:13 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
CCP won't ever tell you because if there was an actual definition they wouldn't be able to arbitrarily give out warnings to people without having to exercise any judgement at all.

I also love the part where the game is advertised as a sandbox in which you're allowed to do everything, except there's actually a list of very specific things that you aren't allowed to do and also you're not allowed to know what those things are, but you're still expected not to do them despite previously being told that you're allowed to do anything.

It's absolutely atrocious as a customer support policy and it's one of the games biggest failings as a service.


The general rule is "don't mess with rookies". They have to leave it open ended or else loopholes will be found. In general if you have to think about it don't do it. If your reply was not concerning rookies then I apologize, I can't think of where else it applies.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#31 - 2012-06-14 01:53:21 UTC
When you enter a PVP fight that lasts longer than this girl does.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2012-06-14 04:12:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Dakeen Kurvora wrote:


The general rule is "don't mess with rookies". They have to leave it open ended or else loopholes will be found. In general if you have to think about it don't do it. If your reply was not concerning rookies then I apologize, I can't think of where else it applies.


So how do I tell someone is a rookie?
If you came across my alt, would you know he was a rookie?
How do you tell the difference between a 2 week old disposable alt, that's used to gank miners, and a player that just joined EVE two weeks ago?

There's a huge difference between someone that's new to EVE and a 6 year vet with a new alt account.

You're right though, loopholes will be found, and they never actually benefit the game.


PS: I'm rather dissapointed people haven't been making a fuss about this.
Luis Graca
#33 - 2012-06-14 05:24:10 UTC
You know wend someone is not a rookie when they start posting on forum , like a true EVE players do Roll

No More Heroes
Sanctuary of Shadows
Dock Workers
#34 - 2012-06-14 05:29:52 UTC
Trollin wrote:
?

its a week? 2? 3? 15?

where does it say?

rules? in a sandbox? do tell?


I would say when you get killed and podded for the first time; then track down and kill, then pod the person who did you.

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Dakeen Kurvora
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-06-14 05:47:14 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Dakeen Kurvora wrote:


The general rule is "don't mess with rookies". They have to leave it open ended or else loopholes will be found. In general if you have to think about it don't do it. If your reply was not concerning rookies then I apologize, I can't think of where else it applies.


So how do I tell someone is a rookie?
If you came across my alt, would you know he was a rookie?
How do you tell the difference between a 2 week old disposable alt, that's used to gank miners, and a player that just joined EVE two weeks ago?

There's a huge difference between someone that's new to EVE and a 6 year vet with a new alt account.

You're right though, loopholes will be found, and they never actually benefit the game.


PS: I'm rather dissapointed people haven't been making a fuss about this.


Alt or not, if you don't know your better off not doing anything if they are under a month(At least)

What is their to make fuss about? People kill miners for laughs or whatever other reasons. You would be incorrect if your thinking rookies aren't a favorite target of a certain selection of players, and do not need some loose protection. CCP must do something to help keep up player retention. Give them their month of peace. With the exception of war and lawless systems. Even in low sec I'm apt to give them a beating and send them home on fire than actually blowing them up (With nice message sayings something like "You really shouldn't be here". Come back and then it's their fault.
Herr Hammer Draken
#36 - 2012-06-14 06:52:23 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
CCP won't ever tell you because if there was an actual definition they wouldn't be able to arbitrarily give out warnings to people without having to exercise any judgement at all.

I also love the part where the game is advertised as a sandbox in which you're allowed to do everything, except there's actually a list of very specific things that you aren't allowed to do and also you're not allowed to know what those things are, but you're still expected not to do them despite previously being told that you're allowed to do anything.

It's absolutely atrocious as a customer support policy and it's one of the games biggest failings as a service.


See this makes a rookie. Rookies are players that can not figure out the game and then whine about it in the forums.
They can be 1 week old or even 4+ years old. Age has nothing to do with being a rookie. Not learning the game and rely upon in game chat for your game info is being a rookie.

The game has a petition system. If you are unsure and can not figure out the answer anywhere to your problem then you can preemtively ask the GM in petition format is this game play allowed. You can get different answers from different GM. But you have an answer that you can cut and paste to defend your action as being allowed in game from a GM. Doing that is being self relliant and not being a rookie.

Any age pilot can be a rookie IMHO.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-06-14 06:57:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
They get kicked out of rookie chat after 30 days, if that's any indication…

Anyway, CCP is not going to tell you.


Although one nice GM did point out in another thread that a person in an Exhumer is not a rookie Lol

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-06-14 08:51:32 UTC
Good news when you live in null, all targets are fair because 90% of rookie characters are only cyno alts, scouts or PI alts.

For other people not knowing what to do just use your little brains for once and remember GM advice, if you have any doubt, don't do it, of you do it's 50/50 you might receive some sledgehammer hit over yer tiny balls. If you take the risk you must accept repercussions and stop begging.

brb

ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#39 - 2012-06-14 08:55:10 UTC
When they realise the forums are were most of the PvP is at

Now, more than ever, we need a dislike button.

Jack Miton
Holesale
Holesale Operations
#40 - 2012-06-14 09:56:43 UTC
You need to rage quit at least once to stop being a rookie. ;)

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