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Critique my drake fit

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Emaleena Rogers
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-06-10 14:14:53 UTC
Returned to the game a few weeks ago, and since then I've moved up to Battlecruisers however I'm struggling to find a fit that works well for the harder level 3 missions where I'm feeling I'm lacking DPS primarily.

Current build: EHP: 53.8k, Resistances: 53%/63%/72%/77% With all modules running.

7 x Arablast Heavy Missile Launchers. (Swapping Missile type dependant on enemy)

2 x Muon Coil Bolt Array I
1 x pseudoelectron Containment Field I
1 x Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

2 x Large Shield Extender II
2 x Limited Invulnerability Field
2 x Shield Recharger II

3 x Medium Core Defense field Extender I

DPS: 197 Including Drones.

Originally I had two cap rechargers and another shield mod in the low slots, however I found I was still cap stable without them so I dumped them in favour of the above.

I've got 88k Skill points in Missile Launcher Operation.

I've been playing about with this build and am I going too defensive and therefore crippling my DPS?

I'm quite far (a month) from T2 Launchers/Missiles and probably a week off everything else being T2 level.

What direction should I be heading to maximise my DPS. Modifying this build or going for T2 Missiles/Launchers?

Let's get to bashing Butts, as well as deeeez nutts.

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-06-10 14:25:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
You should have enough tank however your dps is really low and might put you in some bad situations. You might also trade some buffer for recharge (rig) increasing your survivability.

Keep training, but it's enough to run lvl3's with not much problem other than lack of dps

You want all the missile support skills up to 5 then missile specs to 4 (doesn't mean you have to train them all, just the ones you use and in this case Heavy Missiles)

There's not much you can do from that to increase your dps other than implants (hardwirings) and training, training and again, training Blink

brb

Klown Walk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-10 14:51:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Klown Walk
Use rat specifice dmg resistance. Been a long time since I ran missions but I would use someting like this:

[Drake, New Setup 2]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Co-Processor II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

This does 500+ dps and you will have around 80% resist for the main rat dmg type, you don´t need much tank at all for lvl 3 missions and imo you should not use a ship for pve if you can´t t2 fit it.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-10 16:01:04 UTC
Klown Walk wrote:
imo you should not use a ship for pve if you can´t t2 fit it.


To say you shouldn't use a ship for PVE if it's not all T2 would mean PVE players would just have to set training for a long time before they could start playing. That's just silly.

The Drake is a good ship to start and if he stays into that till he can T2 fit a Raven he'll be good.

Now I think it's crazy that some newer pilots want to jump into faction battleships and can't even T2 fit the low and mid slots.

FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#5 - 2012-06-10 16:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: FT Diomedes
Train to use something like the fit below. Use Malkuth or Arbalest launchers if you need more CPU. Swap out shield hardeners depending on the rats you are fighting. Drop down to named mods where needed, but train for T2 Ballistic Control Units and Shield mods ASAP. Once you have that, train for T2 Heavy Missiles.


[Drake, Drake ]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Target Painter II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-06-10 16:19:14 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Emaleena Rogers wrote:


I've been playing about with this build and am I going too defensive and therefore crippling my DPS?

I'm quite far (a month) from T2 Launchers/Missiles and probably a week off everything else being T2 level.

What direction should I be heading to maximise my DPS. Modifying this build or going for T2 Missiles/Launchers?


I would loose the damage control and replace it with a ballistic control.

Use rat specific hardeners.

I don't know your skills so it's hard to give advice.

Weapon Upgrades 4 for T2 Ballistic Control

Get your Battlecruiser skill to 4 because it boosts shield resistance in the Drake.

All missile support skills to at least 3

Other than that I would work on basic core skills. Look at the certificates.

Don't even worry about T2 missles right now.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#7 - 2012-06-10 20:33:50 UTC
Missile skills! You have 88k sp in missiles, which means you BARELY can even fit the heavy launcher.

Buy the support skills you are missing and get them to level III asap. Then get the easy ones to level V. (Missile Launcher Op, rank 1. Rapid Launch, rank 2.)

Next step can be T2 light drones or better tank skills. Either has great benefits.

You stated "quite far (a month)"
Eve is a long term game. Get used to 30 day goals, because there are lots of them. They may seem long now, but they are pretty satisfying when they complete. And each goal will improve your game a lot.

You should be able to see/feel the improvement after every skill. As your ship gets stronger, you can play with fits a bit more to see what fits YOUR style of play. More tank, more gank, more speed, etc.

GL




Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-10 20:35:45 UTC
OPs fit made me sad :(

I should buy an Ishtar.

Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#9 - 2012-06-10 22:50:20 UTC
Emaleena Rogers wrote:
Current build: EHP: 53.8k, Resistances: 53%/63%/72%/77% With all modules running.

7 x Arablast Heavy Missile Launchers. (Swapping Missile type dependant on enemy)

2 x Muon Coil Bolt Array I
1 x pseudoelectron Containment Field I
1 x Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

2 x Large Shield Extender II
2 x Limited Invulnerability Field
2 x Shield Recharger II

3 x Medium Core Defense field Extender I

DPS: 197 Including Drones.


Buffer tanks are for PvP. Drop the extender rigs and fit 3x Medium Core Defense Field Purger rigs. If you fit rat specific resists you can drop the suitcase and fit another BCU.

Train for the following (probably in this order):
1. T2 light drones. (this is a MUST for killing scraming frigates)
2. T2 damage mods
3. T2 shield mods
4. T2 launchers

The launchers should not be a priority. If you move on to Battleships you wont be using them. If you decide on the Tengu, you've got a tonne of training before you can use them anyway.

I'm not a huge fan of the Shield Rechargers or the Shield Power Relays. I've found that the mids are better used with an extra resist mod and an afterburner, and the lows should all be damage mods. You may need to fit more tank when you're just starting out though.
loki energon
Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club
#10 - 2012-06-11 03:39:28 UTC
the best thing about the drake, is that you can use it from the skill level you are now, til faar into your EVE future. it is an extremely forgiving boat, and with good secondary or support skills you can pummel your way though all L3s, and most L4s. as your skills get higher id suggest another drake you can fit for PVP, or even to try new fittings.

fly safe pilot, fly a drake..

kill em all.

Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-06-11 14:37:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Zyress
I mission in this pretty effectively up thru lvl 4's

3 MCDFE I

7 HML II

2 LSE II
Invul II
EM Ward Amp II
Thermic Dissipation Amp II
EXperimental 10MN MWD

2 BCS II
Internal Force Field Array I
Capacitor Power Relay II

All resistances are in the mid to hiigh 70's 103K EHP 198 HP/sec sustained defense efficiency
510 DPS with Drones 5 Hobgoblin II's and Scourge Furys
Not Capstable but it runs everything for 54 mins 50 secs cruising at 1038 m/sec

I do have a 4% Powergrid Implant and perfect fitting skills
Nevryn Takis
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-06-12 17:20:03 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Missile skills! You have 88k sp in missiles, which means you BARELY can even fit the heavy launcher.

Buy the support skills you are missing and get them to level III asap. Then get the easy ones to level V. (Missile Launcher Op, rank 1. Rapid Launch, rank 2.)


You missed one of the critical missile skills .. the one everyone forgets.. train warheads it has a significant impact on the damage as does the misile equivalent of target prediction.

I also fit 3 BCUs and a Power Diagnostic in the lows and swap the mid slot shield recharger for a booster.
Unless you're chasing ships or need to get out of range why fit an AB or MWD? stand off at 50km and let your missiles do the work.
T2 light drones (of the right type) when you can afford them make short work of all but the most elite frigs but you'll only find these in L4's.
With the right fit a drake can do most L4's but you need to be running T2 modules throughout, and for some L4 missions using T2 missiles helps considerably (and they're economic to use in these circumstances).
Blue mistique
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-06-12 22:42:58 UTC
[High]
7x Arbalest Heavy Launcher
1x Drone Control Unit

[Mid]
1x 10MN Afterburner
2x Adaptive Invulns II's
3xLarge Shield Extender II's

[Low]
2x Ballistic Control II's
2xPower Diag II's

[Rigs]
3x Core defence field extenders

[Drones]
5x warrior or hobgoblins (T2 if poss)

good for 28000+ shields, LOTS of EHP, and should easily tank any Lvl 3 while giving reasonable DPS
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-12 22:55:43 UTC  |  Edited by: IIshira
Paikis wrote:

Buffer tanks are for PvP. Drop the extender rigs and fit 3x Medium Core Defense Field Purger rigs.


This ^
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#15 - 2012-06-13 01:44:47 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Paikis wrote:

Buffer tanks are for PvP. Drop the extender rigs and fit 3x Medium Core Defense Field Purger rigs.


This ^


For him the tank difference wont make a huge difference but 11mil might. Id advice keeping the buffer rigs. Theyll work for L3s
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-06-13 02:13:06 UTC
IIshira wrote:
To say you shouldn't use a ship for PVE if it's not all T2 would mean PVE players would just have to set training for a long time before they could start playing. That's just silly.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#17 - 2012-06-13 03:19:04 UTC
overall your fit should work, I'd mainly suggest adding an afterburner. a bit of mobility really helps in missions I think.
this is pretty similar to what I used when I ran level 3s with low skills. with specific hardeners the shields barely even move. t2 bcus and t2 hardeners are some great upgrades that don't need a ton of skills. but also as said really work on some missile support skills.

[Drake, pve]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

10MN Afterburner II
Limited Thermic Dissipation Field I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Limited Kinetic Deflection Field I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Missile Launcher, Mjolnir Heavy Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

more recently I ran some level 3s to boost standings on an alt and used this. could probably replace the shield recharger for something else,

[Drake, pancake]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN Afterburner II
Shield Recharger II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5

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Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#18 - 2012-06-13 06:14:24 UTC
Uhh well there's a lot of good points here.

iirc Drake overtanks L3 missions easily with Battlecruiser skill at 3 and an omni tank. However don't be lazy and teach yourself to always look up rats and mission specs at Eve-Sirvival.org; you will need it when you transit to L4s.

Also I highly recommend an Afterburner since it somewhat mitigates incoming dps(a lot from missiles and battleships) but more importantly helps to reach the gate to the next room in a reasonable amount of time.

Keep the Extender rigs for now and convert that Drake to the PVP version when you decide to do some.
Kalli Brixzat
#19 - 2012-06-13 16:34:23 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Train to use something like the fit below. Use Malkuth or Arbalest launchers if you need more CPU. Swap out shield hardeners depending on the rats you are fighting. Drop down to named mods where needed, but train for T2 Ballistic Control Units and Shield mods ASAP. Once you have that, train for T2 Heavy Missiles.


[Drake, Drake ]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Shield Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Target Painter II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I


Hobgoblin II x5


Pretty much this ^^^

My fit was near identical when I was flying my Drake. Only thing I did was switch out the TP for another hardener when incoming deeps was high. My drones could handle dessies and frigs.
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-06-13 20:49:12 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Paikis wrote:

Buffer tanks are for PvP. Drop the extender rigs and fit 3x Medium Core Defense Field Purger rigs.


This ^


Buffer Omni Tank has always worked for me, and I do not just some but all level 4's in this, MWD gets you out of any trouble a mission can throw at you since they work now I don't undock without one. Did the Dread Pirate Scarlet in this last night and never warped out except the first room which causes a respawn for a bunch more bounties. Made 60 -70 mil. Used a little over 5000 missiles but oh well it was fun and they were well paid for.
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