Missions & Complexes

Stealing candies from kittens, what kind of a sick bastard does that

It's funny, I always thought that man's pursue for $$$ is one of the main reasons why this world is a shithole.

And sure lets make more babies. I mean it's not like the world is already overcrowded and approximately 1 billion of Earth's denizens are suffering from hunger. No you are right, making babies is a way to buff this shithole

Tomcio my friend, this is the 3rd time you have asked this so it must be something that really upset you. I had addressed this in my post #25. But if that response doesn't suit you all I can say is if someone would use that comment addressed to me I would simple ask what have I done in this game that makes you feel that way? Like I said this is just a game and everyone has their own opinions on how we decide to play it. Maybe this senario would explain it better:

Pilot A enter a DED 3 site in a Tengu with all the best mods and comes across Pilot B in a T1 Vexor struggling to get through the site because he/she has low SP and not much experience with these sites. There is basically 3 things you can do from here:

1. Help the new pilot out.
2. Turn around and find another site not occupied with a noob which would be no competition to Pilot A whatsoever.
3. Take over the site.

You choose

I realize picking #3 is mostly an ISK making decision but how does this help new players or creating a bigger player base for the game? Since we are all role playing under the constraints that CCP allows everyone can decide how they want to interpit this universe and play the way we choose. And my opinions are just that. My opinions.

Question was repeated because it haven't been answered. You didn't address anything in that post of yours.
And once again you failed to answer the question trying to cover it up with your WOT.

The example you presented is terrible simply because most ships ( Vexor included ) with even basic training will be nearly as good as Tengu in any DED3. Actually many low end ships ( like AF's ) are better than Tengus in DED3's.

Also, no one said that exploration complexes are noob friendly just because they are in hisec.
Can noobs do L4's?
No they can't although those missions are available in hisec also.
They need to train, get better equipment and some experience. Why should the exploration complexes be any different?

By your logic we should leave the noobs alone and let them do anything just because they are noobs. That should be extended to other areas as well then. Make noobs immune to pvp combat because they will struggle to kill more experienced players. It is exactly the same thing - difference in skills/experience/equipment.

Another thing is that not many noobs are actually doing exploration you know. From my experience ( and I have "stolen" a lot of complexes ) there are mostly Tengus, Gilas and Ishtars doing hisec exploration. I stumble upon players in low end ships very rarely while I'm in hisec.

Any activity in EvE involves some risk. What you want to do is to eliminate all risks for young pilots. You also don't want them to actually learn. I was outplayed many times in my noob days. I learnt from that and now it is me, who is outplaying others ( and I'm good at it as far as exploration goes, terrible at other things though ). If you will leave them be they will never learn how to defend themselves, their sites and their loot.

You never asked a question in the first place it was a comment on your part. I simply give up trying to address this. Why don't you explain what you expect me to say and we can shoot this dead dog for good!






There were 3 options to the senario I presented.

Lets just look at it this way, from a role playing TV Sci-FI exploring show Star Trek Enterprise(hopefully your of age to remember this one because I grew up watching the original). They were explorers basically and Jean Luc Picard was the captain of the ship. I basically emulate the way he roams over the universe. However, you take the stance of the Romulans taking anything they want no matter who gets in the way. Nothing wrong with your approach because the mechanics of the game allow it and as you commented earlier you would quit if it was anyway different. But in my mind its just wrong and this just how I feel. Nothing is going to change my mind or yours. So you have your rp jollies the way you see fit and I will have mine.

Agreed??

needs more emoticons

Missions and Complexes sub forum being infected by trolls again?

Guess it doesn't take very long for that to happen now. Seems I need to pay more attention so I can fill out some 'Report Cards' too.




Now on to business :

Excellent post.

Contrary to what the 'Dregs' of this community say, there's still a few of us 'Old School' explorers left who follow that 'Code', including myself.

In fact, that's how quite a few explorers use to behave years ago. Of course there wasn't very many players doing exploration either so sites were much more plentiful and there wasn't as many asshats in-game as there is now.

Speaking of which,

I was in an Angel Watch site, taking my time killing the NPC's in order (trigger, spawn, trigger, spawn) when some asshat came in and started killing just the triggers to get the gate open, which he did and then quickly jumped into the next room. I realized what he was doing and launched my drones to quickly kill off the remaining NPC spawns while heading to the gate also. I entered the second room a few minutes behind that guy to see him under full room aggro so I decided to repay the favor.

I launched my drones and started shooting the structure that triggered the Overseer NPC while moving quickly towards it's spawn location. He saw that and also started moving but I was well ahead of him. When the Overseer NPC (triggers the Pirate Commander NPC) appeared, I set my drones and guns on it, ignoring the other NPC's that spawned with it and headed to the spawn location of the Pirate Commander NPC. When it appeared I quickly killed and looted it while the other guy was still dealing with full room aggro and trying to get into range. To top it all off, I also got the expedition for that site.

I asked him in local why he rushed in and only killed the triggers to which he replied 'That's how you're supposed to run the site.' I laughed and said, 'Yeah right, worked out great huh?' He then replied that he didn't expect me to enter the second room so quickly or he would have done the same as I did. I told him next time someone enters and starts doing that, I'll be at the gate with them for a race to the finish.

I know all the triggers and spawn points, I just like running the site the way it's created, not being all greedy and rushing through it taking shortcuts just to get some Faction loot. And like Zornia Estemaire said, if someone else is in the site before me, I'll just go someplace else.


To the OP,

Best to do exploration in areas that have low population count. A Loki ship is great. However, MWD will seriously gimp your ship, it takes a lot of powergrid and CPU to fit, plus it'll drain the cap if going with active tank. I like going with active shield tank / afterburner / nano fit. Also probably best to first scan and bookmark all sites, then refit for each specific site as needed. If someone else happens to run it before you, just go to another area.


DMC

So basically anyone who doesn't do it the approved, nice guy DMC way of no competing because its mean and unfair is a dreg and is doing it wrong?

Who's the troll again?



lol signing posts

Obviously you misinterpreted my reply which wasn't directed personally to you.

Nowhere in my reply did I say : "my way is the only way and if others play differently they are asshats, lowlifes etc..."

Seems I 'struck a nerve' though and now you want to incite a forum flame war by posting sarcastic remarks directed personally towards me with the intention to berate, demean, insult and enrage. That type of conduct is not allowed per Forum Rules and will be 'Reported' if continued.

One simple fact of exploration - there is a specific set amount of sites available with no specific respawn timer set on those sites when completed. Interacting with and engaging all available content in each site does not in any way, shape or form deprive other players of content.

However, rushing in and taking shortcuts by targeting specific 'Known' triggers to quickly complete a site when somebody else is already engaged there definitely deprives others of content.

A good way to fix that problem is to have random 'Unknown' triggers, especially since it's 'Exploration'.

Ahhh, looks like we have to go down this road again. Nowhere in my reply did I say players who barge in and 'take the candy' are doing it wrong. Stop trying to twist my statements around in an attempt to discredit me and justify your own behavior.

Nice attempt to redirect attention and insinuate an incorrect assessment with this sarcastic remark presented as a question : "Who's the troll again?"

Guess your other 2 characters have been 'Warned' enough times now that you need to use this character in the forums. By the way, trying to demean and berate others for 'signing posts' is just plain fail. I'm sure you can do better than that.
Seems you just won't stop with the sarcastic remarks. I hope you don't insist on dancing with me again. If so, I promise you it will be a short dance.

Anyway, never said I was a moderator. Obviously they can't view every thread in these forums. As a paying customer and member of this community, I will continue to help and inform CCP whenever the need arises.

DMC

urgh, more randomness.

RNG is a terrible game mechanic no matter how you spin it, and having to kill everything until you eventually hit the trigger is just as boring :P

Alas, I cannot think of any better mechanics.